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Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:24:00 - [1] I cant see why anyone is complaining besides lazy pirates, this effects nothing except a decrease in BM's whatever you are whineing about, wether now slow ships can get around faster or the economy will become damaged lol!! wtf!!, I always say people in this game are some of the smartest I have ever met online, but this is rediculous people ALREADY UDE BM's to get around fast !!! bipassing the game mechanics anyways !!. This implimentation of warp to 0 is nothing but good!!. A: No more people proffiting off selling BM's B: No more people scamming fake BM's C: Much less server lag (in theory) D: Game is more enjoyable not having to manage BM's E: more people will feel free to enter into low sec. F: Increase in low sec activity means increase targets for pirates. G: All people including pirates and alliances defending territory will have to play smarter in order to catch there prey making for more tactics and more fun. H: Some market prices may even come down as supply may become easier. Basically for any bad thing you can bicth about theres a pile more bennefit, and a i can say "people already use BM's for that" So your complaining is pointless.
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:27:00 - [2] Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that *****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it, if we think its wrong well dont play, but the increase in players only shows that that isnt the case. SO be quiet and let CCP build there game, or this is going to turn into a countless other number of MMO's that listen to the masses , and we all know the majority of people are idiots.
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Kassidus Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that ****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it, if we think its wrong well dont play, but the increase in players only shows that that isnt the case. SO be quiet and let CCP build there game, or this is going to turn into a countless other number of MMO's that listen to the masses , and we all know the majority of people are idiots. rofl, you are aware that the whiners in this case are all the tards asking for warp to 0? It changes a hell of a lot more than just BM counts, and yes, the majority of people are idiots, and the majority wants warp to 0. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp*
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:32:00 - [4] All i know is these message boards are getting rediculous the last couple weeks.
Edgard Clochard 4X Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:36:00 - [5] A: I have never purchased a BM from anyone, ever. B: Same as A, so I have little sympathy. C: In theory, I still haven't seen an actual dev post about it and I won't believe it until I do. D: Again, same as A, so I don't really care if you don't want to work to get anything from your current solutions. E: Perhaps. F: I can't disagree with this too much. G: I can't see this as anything more than an attempt to reduce the number of tactics available to people, not forcing them to find new ones. H: I find the idea of having items available anywhere rather boring to be honest. Localized marketplaces are interesting places where people group together, business happens, etc. etc. Not everyone uses instas, so why should we all have to change because your crutch has made you too lazy to stand on your two feet?
Acerus Malum Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Kassidus "people already use BM's for that" And it's "already" a **ty, exploity game mechanic. So what you're saying is that because aforementioned **ty, exploity game mechanic is currently used enmasse, that we should legitimize it? Wow, great plan. Let's do the same with alliances camping bugged complex overseers; just give everyone rare items in their hangars every 2 hours of every day. Sweet. I'll be rich in no time.
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Edgard Clochard A: I have never purchased a BM from anyone, ever. B: Same as A, so I have little sympathy. C: In theory, I still haven't seen an actual dev post about it and I won't believe it until I do. D: Again, same as A, so I don't really care if you don't want to work to get anything from your current solutions. E: Perhaps. F: I can't disagree with this too much. G: I can't see this as anything more than an attempt to reduce the number of tactics available to people, not forcing them to find new ones. H: I find the idea of having items available anywhere rather boring to be honest. Localized marketplaces are interesting places where people group together, business happens, etc. etc. Not everyone uses instas, so why should we all have to change because your crutch has made you too lazy to stand on your two feet? how do you have to change ? you can still warp to 15km lol, i have maybee 10 instas all just for stations cause i hate waiting to dock. but seriously this will increase tactics and team work not make it worse, I think you sir need to get off the crutch of instapoping people at gates and other boring tactics.
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Acerus Malum Originally by: Kassidus "people already use BM's for that" And it's "already" a **ty, exploity game mechanic. So what you're saying is that because aforementioned **ty, exploity game mechanic is currently used enmasse, that we should legitimize it? Wow, great plan. Let's do the same with alliances camping bugged complex overseers; just give everyone rare items in their hangars every 2 hours of every day. Sweet. I'll be rich in no time. this isnt about wether or not BM's are an exploit infact to bring it up us idiocy because its not the issue. what happens to be the issue is warp to 0 so of you have something constructive to say please feel free.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Kassidus I cant see why anyone is complaining besides lazy pirates, this effects nothing except a decrease in BM's whatever you are whineing about, wether now slow ships can get around faster or the economy will become damaged lol!! wtf!!, I always say people in this game are some of the smartest I have ever met online, but this is rediculous people ALREADY UDE BM's to get around fast !!! bipassing the game mechanics anyways !!. This implimentation of warp to 0 is nothing but good!!. A: No more people proffiting off selling BM's B: No more people scamming fake BM's C: Much less server lag (in theory) D: Game is more enjoyable not having to manage BM's E: more people will feel free to enter into low sec. F: Increase in low sec activity means increase targets for pirates. G: All people including pirates and alliances defending territory will have to play smarter in order to catch there prey making for more tactics and more fun. H: Some market prices may even come down as supply may become easier. Basically for any bad thing you can bicth about theres a pile more bennefit, and a i can say "people already use BM's for that" So your complaining is pointless. Why not just remove gate instas? Don't put in warp to 0km. Problem solved. No more lag, no people getting a free ticket out of the system. Because I said so...
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:46:00 - [10] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Kassidus I cant see why anyone is complaining besides lazy pirates, this effects nothing except a decrease in BM's whatever you are whineing about, wether now slow ships can get around faster or the economy will become damaged lol!! wtf!!, I always say people in this game are some of the smartest I have ever met online, but this is rediculous people ALREADY UDE BM's to get around fast !!! bipassing the game mechanics anyways !!. This implimentation of warp to 0 is nothing but good!!. A: No more people proffiting off selling BM's B: No more people scamming fake BM's C: Much less server lag (in theory) D: Game is more enjoyable not having to manage BM's E: more people will feel free to enter into low sec. F: Increase in low sec activity means increase targets for pirates. G: All people including pirates and alliances defending territory will have to play smarter in order to catch there prey making for more tactics and more fun. H: Some market prices may even come down as supply may become easier. Basically for any bad thing you can bicth about theres a pile more bennefit, and a i can say "people already use BM's for that" So your complaining is pointless. Why not just remove gate instas? Don't put in warp to 0km. Problem solved. No more lag, no people getting a free ticket out of the system. its not just gate instas that cause lag, its all BM's the servers dont care if your BM is for a gate or a station. But you seem to forget that one of the big things dev's want is to get more people into low sec, this will help, with few real consequences. No matter what you think of it people will adapt and i gaurantee the game will be better for it not worse.
Edgard Clochard 4X Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:56:00 - [11] Edited by: Edgard Clochard on 10/11/2006 04:57:02 Originally by: Kassidus instapoping people at gates and other boring tactics. I can state with a clean conscience that I have never "instapopped" anyone, at a gate or otherwise, and in over two years of playing time (yes, this character is not that old, that doesn't mean that isn't true either) I've taken part in less than 15 ship kills, and 4 poddings. Of course by some people's definitions that would make me a "pirate" but just about all of those could have been attributed to sheer boredom. Just because a tactic is boring and lame doesn't mean it isn't a valid one, and based on what little experience I have of it, I would have to say that lowsec gate camping is both. However, I don't think it's anyone's business to say what tactics people should be using as long as they are within the confines of the current game environment as intended. I can't say this will effect me too much, because I seem to be one of the few people who actually bother to use their scanner to check out their destination gate before they head to it, but 9 out of every 10 ships I do lose in lowsec are due to warping to a gate, rather than warping away from it, so in my case, the "camp the other side" arguments are rather silly. I think Occam's razor should be applied to a solution to this "problem". Grandfathering a long-standing workaround that couldn't easily be extracted if at all once implemented would be much more complicated than just preventing you from using that workaround in the first place. I doubt there would be many "bring back the instas!" threads if they were removed entirely and warp to 15km on gates/stations were enforced. People are just as likely to "adapt" to the removal of instas entirely as they are to warp to 0km that you and so many of its proponents seem to claim.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Kassidus Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that *****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it, if we think its wrong well dont play, but the increase in players only shows that that isnt the case. SO be quiet and let CCP build there game, or this is going to turn into a countless other number of MMO's that listen to the masses , and we all know the majority of people are idiots. Right this is why the Ares and Raptor are so much cheaper compared to the other interceptors. Just making an analogy don't mind me The Best Thing I've ever seen in local chat [15:17:21] sotmassacer > can someone give me a big battleship for a while
Edgard Clochard 4X Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Kassidus Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that *****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it I imagine if this were the case we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Too Kind on 10/11/2006 05:46:25 Originally by: Kassidus Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that *****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it, if we think its wrong well dont play, but the increase in players only shows that that isnt the case. Shooting yourself in the foot here. If they'd do that they'd remove gate bms without a warp to 0, because warp-to-15 was the original idea, no warp to 0. The players circumvented it with abusing bookmarks to get warp to 0 anyway. That's has been stated by the devs multiple times already in the past. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 10/11/2006 05:46:25 Originally by: Kassidus All i know is these message boards are getting rediculous the last couple weeks. The word you are looking for is "ridiculous".
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 10/11/2006 05:46:25 Originally by: Kassidus All i know is these message boards are getting rediculous the last couple weeks. The word you are looking for is "ridiculous". The words you were looking for are "for life". There's no need to unwelcomely correct people's English. Not everyone is a native English speaker and even if they are, when did this become Grammar-Online? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Bentula	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Too Kind Edited by: Too Kind on 10/11/2006 05:46:25 Originally by: Kassidus Oh and one more thing, the only reason this game is half as good as it is, is that CCP DOESNT! listen to every person that *****es this is there game, they stick to there ideas and they do it, if we think its wrong well dont play, but the increase in players only shows that that isnt the case. Shooting yourself in the foot here. If they'd do that they'd remove gate bms without a warp to 0, because warp-to-15 was the original idea, no warp to 0. The players circumvented it with abusing bookmarks to get warp to 0 anyway. That's has been stated by the devs multiple times already in the past. Yes warp to 15 was the original idea, and players circumvented that. But dont forget that ccp put in stuff to deal with those instas(warp bubbles). And dont get me started about lowsec, lowsec is/was more dangerous than 0.0 and thats just stupid.
Athena Starfire Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:47:00 - [18] Aww..shed a tear Poor, Poor Pirates and Campers gonna have to find a new way to wreck peoples enjoyment of the game...WAAA BOO HOO!! GOOD JOB!! CCP...Please keep these types of changes coming.. About time...
St3v3sancho The Roughneck's	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Athena Starfire Aww..shed a tear Poor, Poor Pirates and Campers gonna have to find a new way to wreck peoples enjoyment of the game...WAAA BOO HOO!! GOOD JOB!! CCP...Please keep these types of changes coming.. About time... and another one from Athena: Quote: Aw..poor,poor prirates and campers will have to find some other way of wrecking people enjoyment of the game..WAAA!!! Whining carebear of the year award goes to Athena. Definately.
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Kassidus I cant see why anyone is complaining besides lazy pirates, this effects nothing except a decrease in BM's You have NO idea, not even close to even have a clue, about how many people that dosent have bookmarks, and how many intresting fights that result in(yes fights, not ganks). This is not only a huge pirate nerf, its a huge problem all over.. how about empire wars? 0.0 too? Warp to 15km, or a random 0-15km warp in point could do. ... the permanent warp to 0km, is not NOT an option, its just stupid. <3
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Samirol on 10/11/2006 09:28:52 a whine thread about whiners
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:34:00 - [22] the intersting thing is ... some of the best posts regarding "warp to 0m or not to" came from people that oppose this change (James Lyrus comes to my mind .. but other posters as well) ... they presented arguments and tried to base them on logic, instead of posting only one-sentence opinions. on the other side - i've hardly seen a good argumentation by one of the supporters of the "warp to 0m" option - mostly it boils down to "you're an ebil noobganking and carebeargriefing piwate!" statements. especially in combination with inertia stabs the "warp to 0m" option becomes unbalanced to an extent you'll likely would describe as "overpowered beyond believe" ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/11/2006 09:49:33 Originally by: Samirol Edited by: Samirol on 10/11/2006 09:28:52 a whine thread about whiners But I never see anyone giving out other options to open up the spaceways.. Complaints about the lack of targets I hear every other thread.. Complaints over how CCP is negligent in providing those targets I hear in daamn near every thread.. Complaints over what CCP is trying to do to give you more targets I hear in every single thread.. But never any suggestions.. Fukin Emo Whiners.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
trimdonite	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:36:00 - [24] Edited by: trimdonite on 10/11/2006 10:36:26 what i dont understand about these arguments (and i dont know if this has already been said because i cant be bothered to trawl through the 3273289302 threads on the issue) is, why are people starting to say, " this will make moving a fleet of battleships as fast as moving a fleet of frigates" wtf? does everyone elses battleship align like a frig? why is this different to using instas? the same people complaining are probably the ones on here whining about lag, yet this is being put in to help stop lag. *walks away shaking head in bewilderment
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:45:00 - [25] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 10/11/2006 10:45:33 Originally by: trimdonite Edited by: trimdonite on 10/11/2006 10:36:26 what i dont understand about these arguments (and i dont know if this has already been said because i cant be bothered to trawl through the 3273289302 threads on the issue) is, why are people starting to say, " this will make moving a fleet of battleships as fast as moving a fleet of frigates" wtf? does everyone elses battleship align like a frig? why is this different to using instas? well atm the main consideration when forming a fleet is most of the time NOT the travel speed of the ships - it's more like "can we get enough battleships to insta-pop other battleships" .. imho it should be more "will a battleship fleet be there in time to be effective?" .. you want a deep incursion into hostile terretory?? you either plan ahead if you want to use battleship - which waypoints you'll use to get there as fast as possible, which stations you'll use as gathering and end points and so on. or you take only small ships ... Quote: the same people complaining are probably the ones on here whining about lag, yet this is being put in to help stop lag. *walks away shaking head in bewilderment you know - removing instas (in every possible form - aka no BMs in a 100km sphere around a gate) does NOT necessarily mean "warp to 0m" as default. if the bookmarks are away - it doesn't matter if you have to warp on 0m or on 10km - the stress of the DB/the lag will be the same in both situations .. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Athena Starfire Aww..shed a tear Poor, Poor Pirates and Campers gonna have to find a new way to wreck peoples enjoyment of the game...WAAA BOO HOO!! GOOD JOB!! CCP...Please keep these types of changes coming.. About time... are you a main ?
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Kanuo Ashkeron on 10/11/2006 12:12:10 What I do not understand is that people are bringing arguments like: 1) Travel time will be reduced 2) Incoming ships cannot be caught 3) Trade will be unbalanced 4) .. As the warp to 0km option just gives you the same gameplay as insta-bm¦s, this drawbacks already exist now. People have instas for regular travel routes, ships warp to insta-bm to not get caught, traders have instas for their trade-routes, alliances have bm¦s even for hostile territory, ... For me instas are a fact of gameplay. Everyone has them, and if you don¦t have instas for a region you are new, you get them asap as it is really boring to travel around without them. For the people who say they don¦t use instas: It¦s the same as before, your problem seem to be that others are using instas. So i think this change will do some good things for EVE: 1) Remove a time/isk-sink for players 2) Remove server load Finally one could argue, that warp to 0 (with or without instas) is not good for the gameplay. Of course there is only one argument for it: It¦s just a timesink. Why should it need 2 hours to travel 20 jumps in a bs? There is just no argument in favour of that. Kanuo
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:13:00 - [28] While warp to 0km is nice. it's going to make EVE feel small, because you're going to travel it so fast. Also, having it for everything will kinda suck. Have it for just gates please. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:14:00 - [29] afaik there hasnt been a confirmation from any CCP official that 0km warp in will make it they are just letting everyone speculate and write threads about it. A shame there are allot more bears that want a free pass then there are pirates to defend their point of view. oh well theres always other games to try would hate to see CCP go mainstream. bleh ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
Securion Wolfheart Caldari Semper Fidelis Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:27:00 - [30] What is wrong with you gatehuggers anyway? Nothing have changed! Instead of using instas we warp to 0. What is so hard to understand? Oh wait... you guys pop noobs at gates uh? Thats the only thing you have skills for? Too lame to do anything else? Whining ******* maggots. -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.

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