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Posted - 2015.06.09 23:32:23 -
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Eridon Hermetz wrote:IMO , the only one classes of BS worth to train are the black ops , no need to roam gate to gate , possibility to cloack easily , reduced jump fatigue etc etc etc
Marauders are worth to train to , for high end pve in Wh for exemple (or high end pvp like big maker do with nanovargur xD)
T1 battleship need a complete rework to be worth to train/invest to it (pvp or pve)
my 2 cents
But it's the same with most all subcaps. You train T1 to train T2. T2 is usually better than T1, at least for specific roles. T1's are insurable thus far-far cheaper to operate. imo this thread makes absolutely no sense. OP doesn't like T1 BS', but he says his opinion doesn't apply to Marauders. So don't train BS but training for a Marauder is ok? How do you do that w/o training for T1 BS first?? Have you even flown any BS on the test server, OP? This thread just seems like a long troll. |
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Posted - 2015.06.10 10:04:45 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:When and why would you fly a marauder over a another ship outside of PVE?
And you play..... EVE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUE8LWAUhSg
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:46:12 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:
1. Videos = not what I'm asking for
Because you're on dial-up?
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:14:10 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:Frigates: Ill give you that frigs are cheap and its hard to replace them when the only real reason to use one is their cost :P But then the difference between a good T2 frig (and you know you want it  ) vs a T1 BS can be about the same price wise, especially as you add insurance coverage which the T2 is sort of pointless with. In fact, I rather view the typical T1 BS with T2 components (not counting rigs) as rather disposable.
For a newbie, sure it would be absolutely daunting to loose that barely fit raven, but for someone with enough skill and game exp, what an hour to replace? (with added insurance payout etc). imo it's all you really need for a T1 BS, but for the quick frig fights it's hard to skimp especially facing possibly many larger targets and needing to succeed (to break shields etc.). So his cost argument, doesn't really phase most players that know better. It seems more aimed at discouraging newbies, the thread.
Same applies to the SP cost. You are a vet, likely maxed your cruiser skills as I have. What am I going to do, OP, waste it all on PI? Leet mining skills? Hauling?? I'm a combat pilot/s, I know the worth of having all options at my disposal (apart from caps, no interest there). And quite frankly, I don't stick to the latest doctrine opinion, I've been here long enough to know that is always changing here, a need to adapt, and you are better off just flying what you find to be fun for you. I don't like themepark mentality, it's why the sandbox has been my fav for a couple decades, the options are there for you and all viable in some form.
The videos don't lie, they are just not expedient for scaring newbies as the OP would like. I recommend getting off the soapbox and having an actual discussion with the vets here, they may enlighten you on a thing or two. You might even find a fresh new way to play this... reality.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 10:21:41 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Battleships really shine in PVE. They can tank loads of damage, enough damage to break NPC tanks. PVE is nothing like PVP in EVE however. Battleships will not make taking on larger numbers of ships viable.
You should email that to CCP. Like: CCP L2P HTFU or GTFO for fitting PvP BS's on your lousy o7 show today. It was FAKE! The cake is a LIE! All those cruisers you decimated were just other CCP employees pretending to be random players. The LIES!
Oh wait, that's a video, doesn't count, riiight..
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Posted - 2015.06.15 04:44:34 -
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About the whole killboard thing, I don't understand how the op can say BS is good or bad when I don't even see any pvp BS fits there. Did I miss something? I see mission runner type fits. I see miner fits. Some "wtf you undock for?!?" fits. But I don't seem to see any actual BS pvp fits....
Then he cherry picks certain data and ignores everything and everybody else, while having 0 personal-experience with it even though he could... even if not here at least on sisi. It would seem the only real exp with a BS is getting his mission ship ganked again and again by cruisers. That experience doesn't necessarily make BS better or worse, it just reflects on the poor situational awareness of the pilot it would seem, much reflected in this thread in some ways.
Well... I hope somehow things can get better for you OP, sincerely. If anything, I think your whole situation shown under the surface would seem to not keep newbies from training BS, but more so to entirely keep them from ever stepping foot out of highsec if you are the shining example of a success story  |
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:43:54 -
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ftfy
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:54:03 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:" The truth is that, any smaller combat ship can destroy a battleship, and they are designed to be destroyed by larger capital ships too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:46:59 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Now can we please stop publicizing the OP and his bad ideas?
One of the best threads on BS supremacy for some time. Thanks, OP!
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Posted - 2015.06.25 04:50:40 -
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Sespria Secantus wrote:Thought so, I'm starting to get the feeling that training for this Paladin is a waste of SP. If you to take it anywhere outside HS to try and do C4's, it just seems like local spikes waaaaay up all of a sudden. Even in WH that was pretty quiet (checked with scouting alt), it doesn't stay quiet for long. The marauders are nothing but gank magnets. Would love to try and do WH's in a couple of Baddons, but the cap recharge rate on those ships even with 5 cap mods/rigs is beyond pathetic.
Don't fly alone and/or unskilled? If you backtrack through the thread, there are vid links of marauders (Paladin included) just decimating cruiser fleets. Even MJD escapes after annihilating a good many cruiser ganker attempts. Of course, if you fit like the OP, forget it 
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Posted - 2015.06.28 03:03:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:Give me a reason to make a fleet with any caldari ship that would be better than using tengus. I would think that force recon would be a given, since Tengu or any strategic cruiser does not have the d-scan immunity benefit. All depends what you are doing with them though I suppose.
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Posted - 2015.07.03 04:09:47 -
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It's been almost two weeks since Baghdad Bob posted in his own soapbox thread here. He biomass? 
Common man, you can do it. It's not over! *fans the remaining embers* |
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Posted - 2015.07.05 00:54:14 -
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Ortilus Orsides wrote:
I'm not that experienced enough nor are others around my age to just flock to another ship class when they all of a sudden become useless. If CCP removed the Tengu and Protues from it's current place in eve, I would be lost as what to fly in eve. The Cerberus and Deimos don't come close to the versatility that their T3 big brothers provide. What other ship class could replace them? If they leave the void empty, I'm 95% certain it would have a whiplash effect and the sub rate would drop another 30-40% (including myself & alts). Unless they buff the CSs (t2 BCs) to match the current T3Cs standards, the consequences would be dire old timer.
Man I just hope when CCP decides to open a forum discussion on rebalancing the T3Cs, that they DON'T take your advice. Old timers like yourself have forgotten what's it like for newer players when they're finally able to get a handle on a game like eve.
Expect it, EVE is always in the process of rebalancing and meta changes. Everyone has gone through it. We adapt. If you had been here during the long night, the time of original WiS development focus, you might appreciate the constant ship changes now compared to the broken then.
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