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Skeltek
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Asgard Schiffswerften
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Posted - 2006.11.10 16:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Aleis
Unless your in a "Fleet" gang bonuses WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.
Form a fleet without a Fleetcommander.
Form a fleet without secondary wings.
Get yourself 40 people into your wing.
Any player who has the ability to give gangbonuses should be able to get a 40 playerwing within a few days.
If your corp is really that small like you claim it to be, you should totaly be happy with a few hours of training for a 30-man sized gang.
If you donŠt want the commandship to be endangered, let is sit in a safespot. You do not have to make use of the fleetcommander functions if you do not want to. Stick to the old playing style.
It is ridiculous from the start that a ship located 1200 AU away is able to "coordinate" gangefficiency(give bonuses). You should be thankfull that this is still possible. There MUST be a drawback for not having the gangassisting ship in the battlefield, so just keep to the old system and donŠt make use of the new gangfunctions if you do not want to.
There is no point in flaming a change if the initial gameaspect/phylosophy was wrong from the start. If you have adapted to a system that was wrong from the initial concept, itŠs your fault.
It was totaly foreseeable that it would get changed one day when the time is right.
Imho they should change fleetcommandships to only give bonuses if present in the middle of the battlefield. No more free advantages over the enemy without any risk, just because you have one single guy with some SP in the background waiting 1200AU away. But I guess that is a dream that CCP will never fullfill me = P
Either take your fleetcommandships to the field of battle, live without the new FC features or take the FC features without him himself giving the bonuses. No reason to give up the old system if you donŠt want to.
kind regards, Skeltek
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Skeltek
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aleis
with only a few open spots in each gang where gang bonuses will be used. If you don't yet have lots of skill points in leadership, your not going to be put into that position.
If there are any people with better gangassist skills than you have, you were even more useless from the start in the old system? ^^
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Skeltek
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Skeltek
Originally by: Aleis
with only a few open spots in each gang where gang bonuses will be used. If you don't yet have lots of skill points in leadership, your not going to be put into that position.
If there are any people with better gangassist skills than you have, you were even more useless from the start in the old system? ^^
Yeah. You could just as well argue that in the old system a huge amount of training was wasted, since only the highest bonuses were being used. 
you got it ;)
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Skeltek
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: grizouh
oh nice, skel is willing to train the new skills, and you know we need them higher than for 40 people ^^, and you will actually fly a command ship again? havenŠt seen you in any for a long time <g>
yes, I was a bit inactive lately, but it doesnŠt forcably change the high quality of my posts ^^
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Skeltek
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Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: grizouh
these changes would force me to spend nearly another 3 months to be as effective as before for skills which will not do any benefits for myself again (as all other leadership skills) if i am doing things on my own without any gang.
hmm, wouldnŠt one month of skilltraining suffice for being a top-wingleader?
As you stated before, wingcommand lvl5 will need you "just" a month.
I think Fleetcommander lvl3 will suffice for most Commandship pilots; I bet they will 99% of the time never be fleetcommander themselves.
Personaly I believe wingcommand lvl4 would suffice for the wingcommanders(5 days of training), since gangs above 165 members are not very often to be seen.
Afaik EW ships and stuff need different bonuses to be provided anyway.
No offence, but I am very eager for a opinionexchange/discussion today.
Skeltek
ps: The Goons will probably profit the most from this change, even though they will not yet realize why. The limitation of ultrahighskilled gangassist to only a part of the force, will hit the larger alliances with bestskilled CmdShpPilots the most.
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Skeltek
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: grizouh
Originally by: Skeltek
Originally by: grizouh
oh nice, skel is willing to train the new skills, and you know we need them higher than for 40 people ^^, and you will actually fly a command ship again? havenŠt seen you in any for a long time <g>
yes, I was a bit inactive lately, but it doesnŠt forcably change the high quality of my posts ^^
action speaks louder than words ;o)
so you will train these skills, yes? till the bitter end, yes?
and as icing on the cake i will see you again in your vulture, regulary, yes?
yes my sweet little darling, I was planing to get all the way up to Fleetcommand lvl5 = )
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Skeltek
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sang Do
read blog, read topic.... cant got main idea (nerf?)
correct me if i`m not right
1. gang modules and skills will work now only on "sight" not on whole solar system?
2. group of 2 ppl ( Battlecruiser with module and 1 more any ship) wont recive bonus?
3. So throw on moon (hehe) alt filled with gang modules online + basic skills while main ship flying in system doing something not an option anymore?
4. gang members should be linked by a same corp and/or alliance?
tnx for attention
1. wrong, afaik
2. wrong, afaik
3. wrong, afaik
4. wrong, definitely
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Skeltek
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Asgard Schiffswerften
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Posted - 2006.11.12 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Skeltek on 12/11/2006 16:53:43
Originally by: Lonli Lonki
So most ppl who trained alt's on leadership now can cancel account subscriptions right?
Anybody may cancel his subscription, even without possesing a leadership char, but why should they do that? ^^
But to answer your questions: There is no reason to do that, leadership skills will still be distributed on others, even if not in the same grid afaik.
All you have to do is being an afk wingcommander or squadleader.
It is a rumor spread by some people that gangskills will no longer work from far away. Probably those people are trying to spread dissatisfaction and fear in the playerbase from the coming Kali changes.
A wingcommander giving gangsupport to up to 50 players may idle afk anywhere he wants.
Mixing a thread partially with false informations has always been a method to mobilize the community and make a change look bad in general, even if that part of facts turns out wrong at end, the person having spread them has reached his goal: a negative flair around a change, even though it is not as bad as it was described at first.
It is merely a rumor/fact of speculation that gangassist will not work from safespots any more.
kind regards, Skeltek
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