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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.14 09:55:55 -
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Hi.
I wonder what will happen if CCP would prohibid to have more than one account from the same IP address? Will this slow down the game or contrary bring more PvP? You can't have alt. 1. Faction warfare becomes a serios business. If you lose system, you have difficulties with evacuation. Spying gets really hard, etc... 2. Wardec in high sec can become a serios disaster for small / not PvP corps. 3. Null chars have to live under pressure all the time, they can not use high sec alts to get a breath. Soverenity and security plays much bigger role. 4. Prices for minerals goes up. Logistic starts to be as important as PvP itself.
What do you think? |
Lura Zara
Worlds Without Boundaries Special Forces
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:10:47 -
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Personally I dislike alts and multiboxing. For the past 10 [ish] years I have only run one account. Probably because I'm simply attached to my character.
Yeah getting rid of alts would make alot of people pissy, But honestly, I would rather it be one account at a time.
Also it is very 'immersion' breaking when you see that 40man gang of clone ice miners using IS boxer. [or whatever it is they do these days now that some functions are banned.] |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1420
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:11:40 -
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Why do you post with your alt then? Set an example.
For being a hypocrite on the case and in general: A truly wonderful idea. You do realize that there are technologically apt people out there who can easily circumvent this, gaining an absolutely unfair advantage over other players.
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Aivlis Eldelbar
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:14:18 -
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5. EVE unironically dies.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1150
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:20:43 -
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well it would have the subs they get from me and I only have one alt, great idea for cutting CCP income...
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
781
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:21:01 -
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I like being the one who is many, each of my selves explores a different facet of EvEs available gameplay and allow me to stay engaged with the game as my interests shift.
Plus it wouldn't take a great deal of effort to circumvent.
Not supported.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3365
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:21:27 -
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I think it'd take me thirty seconds tops to get around this.
Your move. |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
451
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:41:35 -
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How many people do you imagine do Invention as a primary activity rather than on alts? Reactions? Cap Building?
As much as Rifters online sounds cool, it's probably a bad idea.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:54:12 -
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Umm, actually it is not a suggestion. It is more of a question, what do you think about such fate. Will the game survive, becomes better, worse etc... May be wrong forum section, I just did not feel like posting this in Intergalactic summit or how it is called. Here I expect more interesting answers ;)
I agree, that using proxy can let some ppl get advantage, but how many multyboxers know how to use them? |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
705
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:59:59 -
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Ahahahaha... Let me laugh harder.
HA HA HA
Are you serious? You know Eve players have on average (by old statistic whice definitely went up in 3 years) 2.1 accounts on average.
Find me 1 company that can deal with the loss of over 50% of its revenue and survive.
Not going to happen
EVER
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1150
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:00:51 -
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Navy Jackal wrote:Umm, actually it is not a suggestion. It is more of a question, what do you think about such fate. Will the game survive, becomes better, worse etc... May be wrong forum section, I just did not feel like posting this in Intergalactic summit or how it is called. Here I expect more interesting answers ;)
I agree, that using proxy can let some ppl get advantage, but how many multyboxers know how to use them?
Anyone who wanted to would just google how to work around this, and anyone on a shared router (student house for instance) would have to do this out of necessity. It really wouldn't benefit the game at all to limit a person to one character. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
705
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:05:42 -
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Navy Jackal wrote:Umm, actually it is not a suggestion. It is more of a question, what do you think about such fate. Will the game survive, becomes better, worse etc... May be wrong forum section, I just did not feel like posting this in Intergalactic summit or how it is called. Here I expect more interesting answers ;)
I agree, that using proxy can let some ppl get advantage, but how many multyboxers know how to use them? Just because you are computer illiterate doesn't mean the hardcore nerds that multibox the most are.
Me and everyone else that have 10+ accounts would find a workaround in less than 30 minutes I can assure you.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1179
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:09:15 -
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It would be interceptors online until CCPs next server bill came in, then it would be eve offline. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
377
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:37:47 -
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I was for the longest time a straight up solo'er (which i in this context take to mean "i have no alts"). But then we needed a new links guy and while FF has maxxed leadership skills i WONT be the offgrid links guy thats just borng as hell...
Now my corporation at that point imploded so my 1 alt is right now just in charge of carrying frenzy's bags around when i go incursioning. although he's getting to the point where i could skill him into a carrier fairly efficiently...
It would be INTERESTING but it would never stick is what i am saying. Not just because i can easily have 2 PCs hooked up to my 2 screens but also because to much of eve is just to boring to ACTUALLY DO... Noone wants to be links for a fleet fight, noone wants to ACTUALLY MINE for a titan. (ask me how boring it is i built my own carrier by hand -well i had someone assemble it) |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
556
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:41:05 -
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Navy Jackal wrote:Hi.
I wonder what will happen if CCP would prohibid to have more than one account from the same IP address? Will this slow down the game or contrary bring more PvP? You can't have alt. 1. Faction warfare becomes a serios business. If you lose system, you have difficulties with evacuation. Spying gets really hard, etc... 2. Wardec in high sec can become a serios disaster for small / not PvP corps. 3. Null chars have to live under pressure all the time, they can not use high sec alts to get a breath. Soverenity and security plays much bigger role. 4. Prices for minerals goes up. Logistic starts to be as important as PvP itself.
What do you think?
You just killed off college players online from their Universities. If you don't understand why, you are not qualiied to make this suggestion.
Also, proxies are a thing.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
556
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:41:51 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Navy Jackal wrote:Umm, actually it is not a suggestion. It is more of a question, what do you think about such fate. Will the game survive, becomes better, worse etc... May be wrong forum section, I just did not feel like posting this in Intergalactic summit or how it is called. Here I expect more interesting answers ;)
I agree, that using proxy can let some ppl get advantage, but how many multyboxers know how to use them? Just because you are computer illiterate doesn't mean the hardcore nerds that multibox the most are. Me and everyone else that have 10+ accounts would find a workaround in less than 30 minutes I can assure you.
It wouldn't take that long. Ten minutes, tops, and that probably includes downloading any software you might need.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:48:08 -
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Navy Jackal wrote:Hi.
I wonder what will happen if CCP would prohibid to have more than one account from the same IP address? Will this slow down the game or contrary bring more PvP? You can't have alt. 1. Faction warfare becomes a serios business. If you lose system, you have difficulties with evacuation. Spying gets really hard, etc... 2. Wardec in high sec can become a serios disaster for small / not PvP corps. 3. Null chars have to live under pressure all the time, they can not use high sec alts to get a breath. Soverenity and security plays much bigger role. 4. Prices for minerals goes up. Logistic starts to be as important as PvP itself.
What do you think? I think this is a weak attempt at trolling, and that you should use the search function https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388628
You are content to be content. This is not a jedi mind trick, you're just the game
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1090
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:58:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Why do you post with your alt then? Set an example. For being a hypocrite on the case and in general: A truly wonderful idea. You do realize that there are technologically apt people out there who can easily circumvent this, gaining an absolutely unfair advantage over other players.
this
besides alts fit right into eve lore
the only thing that would change with this is ccp would die do to lack of income
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
346
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:02:09 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Why do you post with your alt then? Set an example. For being a hypocrite on the case and in general: A truly wonderful idea. You do realize that there are technologically apt people out there who can easily circumvent this, gaining an absolutely unfair advantage over other players.
Sorry, but this is too easy.
Are you referring to the massive advantage people with multiple accounts already have? A smaller number of these people would be great for the game.
And, there is a difference between an alt on your main account and a true alt on a second account. I really shouldn't have to explain to you what that difference is.
Anyway, will never happen, that's like half of CCPs income.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
582
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:04:54 -
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The one account per IP boat was missed.
Somewhere around the year 2003.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1425
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:17:44 -
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Phaade wrote: Are you referring to the massive advantage people with multiple accounts already have? A smaller number of these people would be great for the game.
And, there is a difference between an alt on your main account and a true alt on a second account. I really shouldn't have to explain to you what that difference is.
I don't know what you mean. Everyone can have multiple accounts and use them. There are no restrictions or arbitrary limitations (unless you factor in crappy hardware or financial situations hovering around poverty level). After such a change, only those who put in a lot of effort (by comparison) can reap these massive advantages. Sounds really great to me.
Toons (chars on the same account) do not matter at all in this discussion, it's about Alt chars (chars on separate accounts). No, indeed you should not explain this to me. So please refrain from trying to lecture me.
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
346
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:35:38 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Phaade wrote: Are you referring to the massive advantage people with multiple accounts already have? A smaller number of these people would be great for the game.
And, there is a difference between an alt on your main account and a true alt on a second account. I really shouldn't have to explain to you what that difference is.
I don't know what you mean. Everyone can have multiple accounts and use them. There are no restrictions or arbitrary limitations (unless you factor in crappy hardware or financial situations hovering around poverty level). After such a change, only those who put in a lot of effort (by comparison) can reap these massive advantages. Sounds really great to me. Toons (chars on the same account) do not matter at all in this discussion, it's about Alt chars (chars on separate accounts). No, indeed you should not explain this to me. So please refrain from trying to lecture me.
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There would be less people with multiple accounts, regardless of all you tech savvy nerds saying this won't work. This would be good for the game, however not good for CCPs wallet.
And right, then why bring it up from atop your massive steed.
Imagine an Eve world with zero link alts. That is the Eve world I want to live in. Unfortunately it would be Eve offline, thus why links are never going to be on grid. "Technical limitations" my balls. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
585
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:47:31 -
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Your pain flows from OGB, not multiboxing.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1032
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:50:03 -
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Phaade wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Phaade wrote: Are you referring to the massive advantage people with multiple accounts already have? A smaller number of these people would be great for the game.
And, there is a difference between an alt on your main account and a true alt on a second account. I really shouldn't have to explain to you what that difference is.
I don't know what you mean. Everyone can have multiple accounts and use them. There are no restrictions or arbitrary limitations (unless you factor in crappy hardware or financial situations hovering around poverty level). After such a change, only those who put in a lot of effort (by comparison) can reap these massive advantages. Sounds really great to me. Toons (chars on the same account) do not matter at all in this discussion, it's about Alt chars (chars on separate accounts). No, indeed you should not explain this to me. So please refrain from trying to lecture me. ..... There would be less people with multiple accounts, regardless of all you tech savvy nerds saying this won't work. This would be good for the game, however not good for CCPs wallet. And right, then why bring it up from atop your massive steed. Imagine an Eve world with zero link alts. That is the Eve world I want to live in. Unfortunately it would be Eve offline, thus why links are never going to be on grid. "Technical limitations" my balls.
*Hey Johnny, how is eve now that you basically only sit on a station, light cynos and wait to get killed?* *Yo Bert, what's it like to be a fleet ceptor in TiDi?* - *Same as always, burning into any direction creating perches for my fleet, they have a great time though* *Hey, thanks for scanning this chain and aiming us at those rattlesnakes running sites, sucks you couldn't participate with your alt and were put to see it from your scanner for the 20 minutes it lasted*
With such a change, a big portion of eve pvp would be done by people being paid for it, but else there is no way in hell I'm gonna fly the interceptor/perch-bot for a fleet and end up 3hours on standby without anything happening, while I would've had time to participate in the fight just as everyone else who said *not it* in time.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:52:00 -
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Yeah, this would affect a lot of peoples game style, and would lead to many people unsubbing 100% of their characters. They, myself included, might come back if CCP notices the large drop in revenue. Then again they just might be sick enough to just not bother coming back.
Preempting a snide "better game without them" playing with yourself isn't the point of an mmo, and saying the game would be better with a huge drop in targets of opportunity, traffic in space, market diversity, and any other facet of eve would be patently ridiculous. But it can't be patently ridiculous because of prior art, this being a repeated thread.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1425
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:52:05 -
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I can imagine this very well and I do not want it to happen. In particular not for my hauler char who then potentially would have to rely on other players for webbing and cynos, which is something I do not see myself ever to let happen. How well this would end with the ever faster growing level of incompetence as well as the ever growing focus on instant action, instant fun away from tedious and protracted tasks in the game is also something I can imagine very well. I do not see neither myself waiting for some other person to finally take pity on my pleas for webs from Jita to Zinkon. Let alone for things like cynos, which I then had to check with a char before jumping to it in order to ensure that it's in a proper place. This is not going to happen for me. Moreover, you do not really want to see that, although it will be a lot less people doing it, these less people will have a massive advantage over those who do not or cannot do it. I would certainly try to circumvent it, for the above reasons.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:22:47 -
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The game would get infinitely better.
The economy would be more true to reality.
Pirates would actually not be able to carebear behind alts when buying their goods, leading to a legitimate trade of the higher isk payout of lowsec for more expensive goods, shipped by highsec players into lowsec.
Links would have to be played by real players instead of afk alts, improving pvp.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:23:39 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:I can imagine this very well and I do not want it to happen. In particular not for my hauler char who then potentially would have to rely on other players for webbing and cynos, which is something I do not see myself ever to let happen. How well this would end with the ever faster growing level of incompetence as well as the ever growing focus on instant action, instant fun away from tedious and protracted tasks in the game is also something I can imagine very well. I do not see neither myself waiting for some other person to finally take pity on my pleas for webs from Jita to Zinkon. Let alone for things like cynos, which I then had to check with a char before jumping to it in order to ensure that it's in a proper place. This is not going to happen for me. Moreover, you do not really want to see that, although it will be a lot less people doing it, these less people will have a massive advantage over those who do not or cannot do it. I would certainly try to circumvent it, for the above reasons.
Then why the hell are you playing an MMO to begin with. Even WoW doesn't let you carebear with alts to avoid interaction and cooperation with other people.
Instead of begging someone for webs, consider paying them for their service like you're actually paying someone to work for you doing something. Everyone ignores begging for a reason. Also, webs were never intended to allow people to insta-warp away and protect them from ganks. It was a side effect of the mechanic, practically an exploit, fortunate if you're someone who wants to find good game mechanic abuse, unfortunate for people that came expecting a fair game.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
163
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:36:31 -
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Would not work, here is why:
First Account: Main character that's in the main alliance. Scout/Cyno Alt. Dedicated super pilot.
Second Account: Dedicated super pilot. Scout/Cyno Alt. PVE character that's able to fly around without worrying about all the wardeccs.
So unless CCP drastically changes things, a lot of high-end players are going to end up with HUGE losses and wouldn't stay around. CCP is the one that shaped this game so you MUST have alts/multiple accounts. |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1427
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Posted - 2015.05.14 18:05:25 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Then why the hell are you playing an MMO to begin with. Even WoW doesn't let you carebear with alts to avoid interaction and cooperation with other people.
Instead of begging someone for webs, consider paying them for their service like you're actually paying someone to work for you doing something. Everyone ignores begging for a reason.
Also, webs were never intended to allow people to insta-warp away and protect them from ganks. It was a side effect of the mechanic, practically an exploit, fortunate if you're someone who wants to find good game mechanic abuse, unfortunate for people that came expecting a fair game. I play this space sim because I like space sims. I play this Sandbox because I like to play this Sandbox. I play with other players when I decide to do so. I play with other players how I decide to do it. If you see EVE as just another MMO like WOW, then you are the reason why I play the game how I play it. If you see EVE as just another game, you are also among the reasons why I play EVE how I play it. You might also notice that I highlighted Sandbox. I trust you know the definition of sandbox. A hint: It offers choices.
I should paying them? And who pays these expenses for me? Let's see for an example: 3 billion collateral, Jita -Amarr, 15 Million reward. What do you think should I pay a fleet to protect me from Siegfried Cohenberg, the bumper? And by fleet I mean either a couple of capable counter bumpers or 5 Talos to gank him or a fleet of 10-15 T2 logi to rep me when they strike plus a fleet of, let's say, Insta-Canes/Muninns to kill the Catas/Talos/Brutixes when they strike. Of course, I need them to be ready when I need them, not when they have time or feel like it. I also trust you see the kind of disparity in money that I gain from the contract and what I have to pay, for instance, for the Taloses to get rid of the Machariel -- just to point out one glaring flaw in your response. I'm not begging, I never beg. I ask people to do things for me and I pay them in most cases an appropriate reward for their help (be it shared bounties, loot, transport rewards, fair prices for market items/contracts, and so on); however, my patience is a limited resource and it does not replenish quickly.
Please don't get me started on "fair game". If fair game for you is that people, 1 person mind you, can bump several freighters for hours without any possibility to legally remove him from the field, how is webbing me into warp with several legal game mechanics, and in addition another account that I need to pay for, not "fair game"? And trust me, I recently managed to keep 6 freighters bumped off a gate for prolonged time until the person in question came back to his alt fleet and warped them off. I even was using a sub-optimal ship for doing that. It is very easy to achieve that and I am by far not a professional at bumping.
With this said: Do. Not. Ever. Again. Attempt. To. Tell. Me. How. I. Should. Play. EVE.
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