ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2015.05.15 05:19:18 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP".
The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel.
That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP.
That said...
- It IS possible to operate mostly solo in EVE... it is just fairly hard to do.
- I say "mostly solo" in the last point because "keeping to yourself" will only be so effective and work for so long. Eventually everyone has to deal with other players for better or worse.
- There are groups out there that specialize in "building" rather than destroying... but they generally keep a low profile (for obvious reasons) and/or join with more "aggressive" groups for safety (and potentially a market they can sell to).
- In EVE, building things depends on and feeds conflict/warfare. The best building opportunities one can find will usually be within the "thick" of such conflicts. The trick is to manage the risk to yourself in such a way that your margins outweigh the costs and risks.
- Your pacifist ethos will only work if you accept that the fruits of your labors will be used in the destruction of others... which will, in turn, make you a target to both the people you are in economic competition with and the people who are the enemies of the people you sold stuff to.
There are no "civilians" or "innocents" here.
- If you have a strong sense of honor... that's good. It means you can eventually become someone people trust. Just don't expect others to feel or behave the same way.
- Don't refuse to join with a group of people "just because." Being social in EVE will give you a HUGE advantage both in information and support. It can also mean the difference between staying or leaving EVE.
After all... why be in an MMO at all if all you want to do is play by yourself?
- There as many different types of organizations are there are people... each with their own way of doing things.
Some will be the stereotypical "hardcore" groups that demand your attention and obedience. Others won't care what you do or where. And many more fall somewhere in between.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:53:26 -
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[quote=Gardav] either the game rules and the Devs require us to PvP or they don't. I desire an answer that cuts through all the opinions. I am not asking this question to anyone else's benefit other than my own.... do I have to PvP according to the rules or not? Is it written in the rules that we must PvP?
Yes and no.
In a general sense... you will ALWAYS be in competition and potential conflict with other players.
If you harvest resources before someone else can harvest them, you deny other players that potential wealth.
If you explore and find salvage/relics/modules before someone else can, you deny other players that potential wealth.
If you destroy lots more NPCs than others, you make more ISK from those bounties, which in turn devalues the ISK of everyone else.
If you build more then anyone else, you are crowding out others on market and stepping on their potential income.
And anyone in the game can use any of the above as a pretext for blowing you up in a direct ship engagements (fair or not). Or sometimes they don't even need the pretext at all and will do it for giggles.
And all of the above does not require consent to be done.
However... you are not mechanically obligated to engage back in a direct ship-to-ship confrontation. There is always a way around everything else in the game if you do enough research and understand the mechanics well enough.
And you can engage in "PvP" without every having to fire a shot at another player.
What EVE is, is a multi-faceted PvP game.
Ship-on-ship violence is often the easiest to see form of PvP... but it isn't the only way to be in conflict with others.
Conflict with others.
That is the key phrase.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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