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Moignus Nakrar Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 0	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:31:12 - [1] - Quote [Raven, Lvl 4 Raven] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Shield Boost Amplifier II Empty 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Empty Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x10 This is what I am planning on rolling with for level 4 missions, I'm not sure if I could improve or change anything around, any tips or help would be appreciated. I'm new to level 4 missions, so this is not something I'm experienced in whatsoever.
Spud Lazair Hedion University Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2015.05.15 09:18:24 - [2] - Quote Pop goes the raven imo you would loose the ship. Sorry cannot post fit am at work on a mobile "Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 415	Posted - 2015.05.15 10:29:38 - [3] - Quote replace the CCCs with more Rigors. replace the PDSs with one more BCS and, if you have CPU issues, a... CPU thing (the green square one, i forget the name). in the "Empty" mid-slot put either AB or MJD. the empty high - i don't know. Generally speaking, "Empty" is never good.
Vito Antonio State War Academy Caldari State 71	Posted - 2015.05.15 10:29:55 - [4] - Quote Are you leaving mid slot empty? Bad idea. Try looking for a fit here: eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1233	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:18:01 - [5] - Quote Seems like you are low on skills for a Raven yet, making that assumption based on the PDS's and empty mid. If you post your skills here using one of the websites available people can give you more help. I'm pretty sure the advice is going to be skill up first so you don't lose your ship. Join a corp and or get a mission buddy... or get in a Noctis and salvage for people to get ISK/experience while you wait. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Velarra 369	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:56:30 - [6] - Quote Two thoughts come to mind: [Raven, Lvl 4 Raven] HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I -- Much more seriously, you really do want to be solidly skilled to effectively fly a Raven. Otherwise the experience will be less than pleasant. Sharing your skillset via http://eveboard.com/ for example, would help people effectively give you good fitting advice.
stoicfaux 5587	Posted - 2015.05.15 16:03:50 - [7] - Quote https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_%28Fitting%29#Raven_a_la_Liang Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Hakaari Inkuran State War Academy Caldari State 249	Posted - 2015.05.15 18:59:43 - [8] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_%28Fitting%29#Raven_a_la_Liang There is a fit on that page sporting siege launchers. Eve wiki pages just tend to rot, i guess?
Spud Lazair Hedion University Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2015.05.15 19:37:04 - [9] - Quote why not t2 launchers? "Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 140	Posted - 2015.05.15 20:05:14 - [10] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_%28Fitting%29#Raven_a_la_Liang This. That fit will work just fine if you bother to even go take a look, because obviously you didn't even try to look before making your post. You can even use google. Liang's fit is an old fit, the Raven didn't have that the extra mid slot it has today. So depending on the mission, you could put in a TP, or a webber, an AB, or a MJD, depending on how much room you have left. Her fit works very well for the beginners ( I still use her fit.) No games, no gimmicks, no problem. Go with it. After a while and you get experience, you can then get creative, but until then, fly safe. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 580	Posted - 2015.05.15 21:15:59 - [11] - Quote Spud Lazair wrote: Pop goes the raven imo you would loose the ship. Sorry cannot post fit am at work on a mobile +1 Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 580	Posted - 2015.05.15 21:17:38 - [12] - Quote Velarra wrote: Two thoughts come to mind: [Raven, Lvl 4 Raven] HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I lol Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 580	Posted - 2015.05.15 21:22:12 - [13] - Quote #9 - 2015-05-09 14:51:33 UTC \| \| Edited by: Caleidascope One of my older raven fits: 6x cruise missile 1x lmjd 2x sensor booster (you can put targeting range script if you like to be further from the rats) 1x x-large shield booster 2x shield boost amplifier (or you can do combination of resists) 4x bcu 1x co-processor (or you can do combination of dc and bcu, up to you) 3x rigor rigs or 2x rigor and 1x ccc or 2x rigor and 1x flare As you can see this fit has some room for flexibility. Learn to use LMJD. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Moignus Nakrar Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 0	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:44:22 - [14] - Quote Raven PvE Tank: High 6x Cruise Missile Launcher of your choice 1x NOS (optional) Mid 1x X-Large Shield Booster II 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II 1x Cap Recharger II 3x Mission-specific Shield Hardeners (Tech II preferred) Low 1x Ballistic Control System II 4x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I New fit, no empty slots. I don't have the skills for T2. This is a pretty common fit it seems, as it was just posted with successful results on youtube.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1118	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:04:05 - [15] - Quote Moignus Nakrar wrote: Raven PvE Tank: High 6x Cruise Missile Launcher of your choice 1x NOS (optional) Mid 1x X-Large Shield Booster II 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II 1x Cap Recharger II 3x Mission-specific Shield Hardeners (Tech II preferred) Low 1x Ballistic Control System II 4x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I New fit, no empty slots. I don't have the skills for T2. This is a pretty common fit it seems, as it was just posted with successful results on youtube. if by successful you mean death by boredom then yes very successful fit! way over tanked, and has almost no damage, I'd rather go mining, or even better go outside and watch the grass grow @ChainsawPlankto
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1118	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:13:28 - [16] - Quote Hakaari Inkuran wrote: stoicfaux wrote: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_%28Fitting%29#Raven_a_la_Liang There is a fit on that page sporting siege launchers. Eve wiki pages just tend to rot, i guess? eve-wiki is a graveyard, fortunately some things like the raven a la liang can wither the storm of time. here is a t2 fit version in EFT format with some shiny. and an empty midslot, I'd probably put a sensor booster or afterburner in there. [Raven, Le Liang] Signal Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron [empty med slot] Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 a more t2 and cheaper to fit, the CN bcus save a lot of cpu, so might have to go for a co-proc. [Raven, LVL 4 - t2 CPU] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 @ChainsawPlankto
Moignus Nakrar Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 0	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:53:56 - [17] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Moignus Nakrar wrote: Raven PvE Tank: High 6x Cruise Missile Launcher of your choice 1x NOS (optional) Mid 1x X-Large Shield Booster II 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II 1x Cap Recharger II 3x Mission-specific Shield Hardeners (Tech II preferred) Low 1x Ballistic Control System II 4x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I New fit, no empty slots. I don't have the skills for T2. This is a pretty common fit it seems, as it was just posted with successful results on youtube. if by successful you mean death by boredom then yes very successful fit! way over tanked, and has almost no damage, I'd rather go mining, or even better go outside and watch the grass grow That's the point, so I could be semi-afk while playing or doing something else.
Paranoid Loyd 5174	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:57:33 - [18] - Quote Yeah one or two bling mods maybe, but a full rack of BCS? That would only take a handful of thrashers to kill and be quite profitable, would not recommend. Granted, the likelihood is pretty low and it will certainly add efficiency to the fit but just make sure you can afford to lose it. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Paranoid Loyd 5174	Posted - 2015.05.16 05:18:50 - [19] - Quote Moignus Nakrar wrote: That's the point, so I could be semi-afk while playing or doing something else. If that's your plan just go passive, hell use autotargeting missiles while you're at it. [Raven, PVE] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Thermic Dissipation Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Small Tractor Beam II Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1120	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:16:07 - [20] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Chainsaw wrote: [Raven, Le Liang] Signal Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Yeah one or two bling mods maybe, but a full rack of BCS? That would only take a handful of thrashers to kill and be quite profitable, would not recommend. Granted, the likelihood is pretty low and it will certainly add efficiency to the fit but just make sure you can afford to lose it. old fit I really haven't been bothered to update as I haven't touched a raven in years. I would probably go 2/2 or 3/1 faction/t2 respectively. depending on where you mission. although for 2-3 faction bcus they will probably just go after a less shiny marauder as that looks better on the KB. @ChainsawPlankto

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1121	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:18:04 - [21] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Moignus Nakrar wrote: That's the point, so I could be semi-afk while playing or doing something else. If that's your plan just go passive, hell use autotargeting missiles while you're at it. imo fit a normal fit with a LMJD and use auto-targeting missiles then. I usually just orbit at 100km with an afterburner, and a medium shield booster. and/or use drones. @ChainsawPlankto
stoicfaux 5595	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:18:52 - [22] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Chainsaw wrote: [Raven, Le Liang] Signal Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Yeah one or two bling mods maybe, but a full rack of BCS? That would only take a handful of thrashers to kill and be quite profitable, would not recommend. Granted, the likelihood is pretty low and it will certainly add efficiency to the fit but just make sure you can afford to lose it. BCU II's only require Weapon Upgrades IV, so there's no reason to go with that many CN BCUs. Especially since Weapons Upgrades reduces the CPU costs of turrets and launchers and CPU is always in short supply on Caldari hulls. BCU == BCS, i.e. ballistic control unit versus ballistic control system. It's an old people thing. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 4	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:00:29 - [23] - Quote [Raven, Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Booster II 100MN Afterburner II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Meta 4 as needed. Cap lasts a little over 2 minutes which is more than enough for pulsing booster as needed. Omni tanks with around 200 ehp/s. Low but enough when you mid away to reduce damage. steps to pimp your raven: 1) medium pithi shield booster( b is good enough and hella cheaper then a) replacing large shield booster tech 2. 2) 3x Caldari bcus replacing tech 2 3) upgrade to caldari navy raven. And add pithi shield amp to replace em field.. Per your budget. Obviously 2 Cruise missile launches. 3x tech 2 rigors 4) 2x pithi c type invulneraability field. Replaces tech 2 field and mjd. Faster mission completion requies heavier tank and not wasting time mjd'd away.. 5) republic 100mn afterburner replaces tech 2. Lower cap usage on propulsion. More breathing room for cap. 6) republic target painters to replace Meta 4. pimping is optional but will double cap time and almost triple tank. It also makes your mission ship coat almost 10x as much.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 140	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:34:25 - [24] - Quote Lot of topics to cover . . . CCC's on a Raven, in L4's, are just a NO, they should not be used. You need to use rigs, rigors, to apply damage to anything smaller than a BS, to reduce the exp. rad. of those missiles. Pulsing the SB will work just fine, unless you have low sp, but that is what the cap booster is for. If you need to run the SB for a long time, the booster will keep your cap up. It may also help you to GTFO if the incoming is over whelming you. The MJD may be helpful sometimes. If you get into trouble, you point and click, and your 100km away. That mostly could put you out of targeting range, but the other BSs can still hit you. So you may have only delayed the inevitable. Please do not passive tank a Raven. It's shield has a high recharge rate. Again, you're using shots that should be used to help generate dps, and apply it. With that above fit, there is only about 110 hp/s, which won't last very long. Even though auto-targeting missiles can hit out to about 220km, they only give 500dps, 3465 volley. Missions would be very, very slow. You could do the same, maybe better, in a Drake. If you go AFK, you most like will come back looking at your pod. 4 Caldari BCUs, with Fury, for me, gives 1003dps, 8230 volley. 3 Caldari BCUs, with Fury, for me, gives 940dps, 7948 volley. 4 BCU II, with Fury, for me, gives 942dps, 7730 volley. 3 Caldari BCUs, and 1 BCU II, with Fury, for me, gives 996dps, 8173 volley. (I see the logic in that.) That 4th BCU is almost like having a 7% implant. Best medicine is to try different things, if you don't want to go by something that's already proven itself over time. You will quickly learn what works and what doesn't. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Safr0n Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.05.17 00:05:54 - [25] - Quote It looks pretty good, assuming borderline skills. I would go with more tank until you get used to L4 missions. Use a faction shield booster like a large pith b type or large gist c type and then you you'll have enough cpu for a cap recharger in the mid slot. Then replace defensive mods with offense modes like more rigor rigs as you get skills. [Raven, Mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Explosive Deflection Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Morgan Agrivar Peace.Keepers Dread Pirate Syndicate 48	Posted - 2015.05.17 06:43:56 - [26] - Quote [Raven, Raven] 6x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Scourge Cruise Missile) X-Large Shield Booster II 2x Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II (Targeting Range Script) Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II 3x Ballistic Control System II 3x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I 1x Mobile Tractor Unit My alt flies this but I hate Ravens anyways. At roughly 220m, it is somewhat affordable but of course L4 loot suck badly. "Out of all the people who have tried to kill me, you are my favorite."
Drazok Caldari Provisions Caldari State 9	Posted - 2015.05.18 06:46:00 - [27] - Quote High 6 CML T2 if you can , faction ammo or plan Med XL boster 3 t2 hardeners 2 shield boost amps 1 cap recharger Low 2 x BCU 3X flux coil Rigs 3x CCC dones 5 light 5 med brick tank that you can't lose if you try. Drones are meh with raven but bring em to clean up the frigs. This is not the fastest 4lv running but its not one you will lose either. Fit more gank as you get conformable with flying it. This is cap stable with solid cap skills. its your cap/cpu/grid skill are not solid (lv5) do some more lv3s while you train up.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1236	Posted - 2015.05.18 14:40:46 - [28] - Quote Don't CCC it and don't MJD it. Tank it and leave 1 mid for your pointer. Read Eve Survival and use PYFA or EFT and have exactly the right resistances for each mission you fly. Know your triggers and keep incoming DPS down. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1128	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:49:57 - [29] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Don't CCC it and don't MJD it. Tank it and leave 1 mid for your pointer. Read Eve Survival and use PYFA or EFT and have exactly the right resistances for each mission you fly. Know your triggers and keep incoming DPS down. in general I agree, but when they moved a high to a mid, throwing a MJD on there makes a lot of sense as a gtfo button, and by just fitting a MJD you aren't really losing too much performance. The CPU/PG loss doesn't really make you sacrifice much. It isn't something I would use often, but when it is needed to prevent the loss of a ship it is well, training wheels. eventually you can take the training wheels off. Although there are some missions where a MJD helps, oh look at that group 100km away, perfect to MJD right into the center of them. tl;dr use a MJD as training wheels. @ChainsawPlankto
Bagatur I School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 69	Posted - 2015.05.22 11:01:08 - [30] - Quote my 2c - I read once on one of the fit website: 'if you cant make you shield boosting cap stable, then dont bother'. trying to make XL shield booster cap stable is insane. get rid of CCC rigs, you need better damage application with cruise missiles.

Gh0stBust3rs Wraith Shadow Guards 64	Posted - 2015.05.22 12:29:03 - [31] - Quote Bagatur I wrote: my 2c - I read once on one of the fit website: 'if you cant make you shield boosting cap stable, then dont bother'. trying to make XL shield booster cap stable is insane. get rid of CCC rigs, you need better damage application with cruise missiles. CAp stable is so 2010. In reality you need maybe 5 minutes worth of cap. Understand your triggers and aggro mechanics. Hell most of my ship setups run on 3 m of cap running everything. Just some food for thought
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 7	Posted - 2015.05.22 13:39:52 - [32] - Quote Gh0stBust3rs wrote: Bagatur I wrote: my 2c - I read once on one of the fit website: 'if you cant make you shield boosting cap stable, then dont bother'. trying to make XL shield booster cap stable is insane. get rid of CCC rigs, you need better damage application with cruise missiles. CAp stable is so 2010. In reality you need maybe 5 minutes worth of cap. Understand your triggers and aggro mechanics. Hell most of my ship setups run on 3 m of cap running everything. Just some food for thought Indeed the more spank you have, the less tank you need. Dead things deal no damage.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1242	Posted - 2015.05.22 16:54:09 - [33] - Quote Bagatur I wrote: my 2c - I read once on one of the fit website: 'if you cant make you shield boosting cap stable, then dont bother'. trying to make XL shield booster cap stable is insane. get rid of CCC rigs, you need better damage application with cruise missiles. If it has more than 2 minutes of cap stable it means you're still training for it IMHO. But then still training is what a Raven really is. You should be shooting for middle ground; enough DPS to get the job done and enough tank to stay alive while doing it. A Raven is no gank tank, CNR maybe. With MJD you can try to make it one, but Guristas will eat you alive. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Traejun DiSanctis Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 130	Posted - 2015.05.23 05:07:52 - [34] - Quote Assuming you're just getting started doing L4's and/or don't quite have the ability to fit Tech II Cruise Launchers, here is the fit. Also, upgrade to Tech II Cruise Launchers ASAP. [Raven, Lvl 4 Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Mission-Specific Hardener Mission-Specific Hardener 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmenter II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Mission-Specific Drones (Use Caldari or Gallente drones if all else fails)
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 232	Posted - 2015.06.03 04:49:11 - [35] - Quote Okay this thread reads like the one-line bad idea thread. I came up the raven to Golam route and putting more than two mission specific hardeners is over kill. Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. When you get the golem, roll in, bastion up, kill what you need, gtfo. For a tad more profit drop an mtu near your exit gate and scoop it on exit, sit on your mtu when your skills allow/you get a golem so you can salvage a bit before you gate out. Have alt specialty ships for some missions where speed is your only real concern or speed plus tank when that is required. I have a vigil fit for speed, warp for grab and go missions and a stabber for tank plus speed missions that don't need dps, like toxic cloud. But the best advice you will get about L4s is read up on mission shortcuts so you can blitz missions and get your LP per hour up and your ISK per hour as well. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Traejun DiSanctis Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 148	Posted - 2015.06.03 05:16:36 - [36] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Okay this thread reads like the one-line bad idea thread. I came up the raven to Golam route and putting more than two mission specific hardeners is over kill. Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. When you get the golem, roll in, bastion up, kill what you need, gtfo. For a tad more profit drop an mtu near your exit gate and scoop it on exit, sit on your mtu when your skills allow/you get a golem so you can salvage a bit before you gate out. Have alt specialty ships for some missions where speed is your only real concern or speed plus tank when that is required. I have a vigil fit for speed, warp for grab and go missions and a stabber for tank plus speed missions that don't need dps, like toxic cloud. But the best advice you will get about L4s is read up on mission shortcuts so you can blitz missions and get your LP per hour up and your ISK per hour as well. Someone posting about a Raven fit for L4's is very likely a new player, so all the flippant "this is simple" nonsense can be stowed. That said, MJD... agreed, don't need it. No prop mod, bad idea. Sure you can hit out to obscene ranges, but you're not going to warp in at 90+ every time. Rats will get in close long before your fat cow Raven opens up range. The whole "you don't even need to move" thing is just stupid. In essence, your post misses the point.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 232	Posted - 2015.06.04 06:27:53 - [37] - Quote Traejun DiSanctis wrote: Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Okay this thread reads like the one-line bad idea thread. I came up the raven to Golam route and putting more than two mission specific hardeners is over kill. Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. When you get the golem, roll in, bastion up, kill what you need, gtfo. For a tad more profit drop an mtu near your exit gate and scoop it on exit, sit on your mtu when your skills allow/you get a golem so you can salvage a bit before you gate out. Have alt specialty ships for some missions where speed is your only real concern or speed plus tank when that is required. I have a vigil fit for speed, warp for grab and go missions and a stabber for tank plus speed missions that don't need dps, like toxic cloud. But the best advice you will get about L4s is read up on mission shortcuts so you can blitz missions and get your LP per hour up and your ISK per hour as well. Someone posting about a Raven fit for L4's is very likely a new player, so all the flippant "this is simple" nonsense can be stowed. That said, MJD... agreed, don't need it. No prop mod, bad idea. Sure you can hit out to obscene ranges, but you're not going to warp in at 90+ every time. Rats will get in close long before your fat cow Raven opens up range. The whole "you don't even need to move" thing is just stupid. In essence, your post misses the point. And you apparently cannot read or you would have seen I both mention using a mwd and kiting and if you know so little about this game that you don't understand the terminology perhaps you should wait till you do before making stupid commentary. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1298	Posted - 2015.06.04 14:30:13 - [38] - Quote wow. So much bad advice. Cruise missile apply passably well. But rigor rigs will greatly help your application vs smaller ships without having to worry about your drones getting blapped all the time. If you're going to run an XL booster, you need a cap booster to keep it running for long enough to tank missions like Angel Extravaganza bonus room. Most rats can't hit anything out past 50km. Certain LR rats are a bit better. But none of them have the kind of range cruise missiles get. Do not ever fit range rigs on a cruise missile fit. plz. All you need is a sebo and a MJD. MJD out. Commence to shooting rats. When they get close, MJD again. Start with this fit: [Raven, cruise pve] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Co-Processor II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Large Micro Jump Drive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Cap Booster 800 x16 Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x1500 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x1500 You can drop either the invuln fld for a sebo, or the DC for a signal amplifier to get more locking range. Your choice. Train your missile support skills. Dead things deal no damage. Fit hardeners, ammo, and drones as required for the mission rats. The MJD not only repositions you away from the rats, but is also a get out of jail free card for gankers (unless they have a scram). And for missions, I recommend using T1 ammo. But carry some faction and precision just in case. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1298	Posted - 2015.06.04 14:59:15 - [39] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. And exactly how will you get out to range when just about every l4 mission in the game drops you at 0 on the rats? Gonna MWD all over the place? Whoops, out of cap. Now you're tackled by elite frigates, with no way to rep. wut do? buh-bye raven. Hope you bought insurance. As for getting to that accel gate 45km away, just make sure to jump to a position roughly 100km from the gate. With so little dps pressure from the rats, maintaining positional awareness is easy and good practice for new pilots. Basically, just kite around the accel gate using your MJD. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 14	Posted - 2015.06.08 03:11:50 - [40] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. And exactly how will you get out to range when just about every l4 mission in the game drops you at 0 on the rats? Gonna MWD all over the place? Whoops, out of cap. Now you're tackled by elite frigates, with no way to rep. wut do? buh-bye raven. Hope you bought insurance. As for getting to that accel gate 45km away, just make sure to jump to a position roughly 100km from the gate. With so little dps pressure from the rats, maintaining positional awareness is easy and good practice for new pilots. Basically, just kite around the accel gate using your MJD. If you're fitting a MWD/AB over a MJD, the assumption is you can take the level 4 to the face without blinking. A MJD has 2 main uses in missions: 1) Go light on tank for max spank 2) For those who are paranoid about losing their ship a MJD will work against rat's point, allowing you to jump 100 km away and warp out.

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1184	Posted - 2015.06.08 05:18:14 - [41] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Plz don't fit Pith X-type deadspace mods to a friggin' Raven for cripes sake. It'll just make you a gank target, cost more than the entire ship, require months to pay off, and give you absolutely zero increase in isk efficiency. But if you are short on CPU still, I suggest Caldari Navy hardeners. Those are fairly cheap, give the same or better resists (I forget exactly) and use a lot less CPU than T2. They are worth the investment. The rest of your mids and highs can be downgraded to meta for additional fitting resource savings. a lot of deadspace gear is hilariously cheap these days. x-type booster 83mil, less than the 100mil dread gurista/caldari navy x-l booster that used to go on nearly every raven, these days I'd say go with a cheap c-type xl booster at ~30m x-type hardeners 20-75mil that said none of it is needed and I'd rather spend isk on damage mods. @ChainsawPlankto
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 15	Posted - 2015.06.08 05:54:48 - [42] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Soldarius wrote: Plz don't fit Pith X-type deadspace mods to a friggin' Raven for cripes sake. It'll just make you a gank target, cost more than the entire ship, require months to pay off, and give you absolutely zero increase in isk efficiency. But if you are short on CPU still, I suggest Caldari Navy hardeners. Those are fairly cheap, give the same or better resists (I forget exactly) and use a lot less CPU than T2. They are worth the investment. The rest of your mids and highs can be downgraded to meta for additional fitting resource savings. a lot of deadspace gear is hilariously cheap these days. x-type booster 83mil, less than the 100mil dread gurista/caldari navy x-l booster that used to go on nearly every raven, these days I'd say go with a cheap c-type xl booster at ~30m x-type hardeners 20-75mil that said none of it is needed and I'd rather spend isk on damage mods. Agreed, with some smart shopping. You'll find some deadspace swag giving better performance, cheaper fitting then faction AND being cheaper. isk efficiency is silly talk. Might as well fly a rookie ship and rat in high sec belts for max isk efficiency. The isk/hour is terrible but hey it's EFFICIENT. When fitting ships for missioning it comes down to 3 important factors that aren't easily quantifiable: 1) Price point - Can you afford to lose it? Remember the age old term, you gotta spend money to make money. 2) Time - Not everybody has unlimited time. Say I only have an hour to play. I can either go with a cheap fit and finish a mission in 30 minutes, doing 2 in an hour. Go with a more expensive fit and finish a mission in 20 minutes, doing 3 an hour. 3) Safety - There people overtank their ships, but it gives them peace of mind for all missions. Good luck trying to talk them out of it.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 233	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:32:47 - [43] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. And exactly how will you get out to range when just about every l4 mission in the game drops you at 0 on the rats? Gonna MWD all over the place? Whoops, out of cap. Now you're tackled by elite frigates, with no way to rep. wut do? buh-bye raven. Hope you bought insurance. As for getting to that accel gate 45km away, just make sure to jump to a position roughly 100km from the gate. With so little dps pressure from the rats, maintaining positional awareness is easy and good practice for new pilots. Basically, just kite around the accel gate using your MJD. As I said I came up the raven / Golan route and even when my skills were just about like this guy's I ran a mwd raven with two hardners it worked great. Turn and burn cut mwd kite, pulse mwd as needed, no cap issues. Btw, if you are in a missile boat and you have anything beyond ZERO concern about frigs you should never pilot a pve missile boat ever again because you are epic levels of fail! Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 233	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:38:51 - [44] - Quote Amanda Chan wrote: Soldarius wrote: Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Don't fit a MJD on any cruise missile boat for any L4 you can shoot far enough to hit 97% of targets without even moving. You should fit a mwd it is much more universally useful and you will save a lot of time using it over a MJD. Kite a bit, blast what you need to unlock the gate and gtfo. And exactly how will you get out to range when just about every l4 mission in the game drops you at 0 on the rats? Gonna MWD all over the place? Whoops, out of cap. Now you're tackled by elite frigates, with no way to rep. wut do? buh-bye raven. Hope you bought insurance. As for getting to that accel gate 45km away, just make sure to jump to a position roughly 100km from the gate. With so little dps pressure from the rats, maintaining positional awareness is easy and good practice for new pilots. Basically, just kite around the accel gate using your MJD. If you're fitting a MWD/AB over a MJD, the assumption is you can take the level 4 to the face without blinking. A MJD has 2 main uses in missions: 1) Go light on tank for max spank 2) For those who are paranoid about losing their ship a MJD will work against rat's point, allowing you to jump 100 km away and warp out. Wrong, you turn and burn for about 8 to 10 secs than kite, pulsing mwd as needed, easy even with mediocre skills. MJD is a pve mission running waste of time on a cruise missile boat. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Haatakan Reppola Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2015.06.10 02:44:15 - [45] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: As I said I came up the raven / Golan route and even when my skills were just about like this guy's I ran a mwd raven with two hardners it worked great. Turn and burn cut mwd kite, pulse mwd as needed, no cap issues. Btw, if you are in a missile boat and you have anything beyond ZERO concern about frigs you should never pilot a pve missile boat ever again because you are epic levels of fail! There is ONE dangerous thing in any PvE enounter, thats the ships that point you so you cant get away if you pop to many triggers. You didnt pay attentiona nd popped all the triggers in a missions and cant tank it, warp! Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Wrong, you turn and burn for about 8 to 10 secs than kite, pulsing mwd as needed, easy even with mediocre skills. MJD is a pve mission running waste of time on a cruise missile boat. MJD = less tank needed and alot more capacitor efficient than MWD. Your corect on the running away = waste of time tho, most missions you can face tank without shield booster when you get decent skills (i still have a booster on my ship for when im to lasy to look at triggers) When low skilled you want the most cap/skill effective tank you can get, that happens to be MJD, use it some times and you should hit gates in 2 jumps (away + back to gate) and with low skills you will be there killing stuff anyway so why not wait for MJD to get ready :P


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