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Shidoshi Ryuu
Omega Tactical Group Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:11:38 -
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Can you all help me understand the effort and patience a titan represents?
How many hours of mining, waiting on research, waiting on construction, and any other effort may an average titan build consume?
That is all the way from whatever CCP supplies in the form of asteroids and blueprints all the way to a working ship. I want to understand all the effort I am seeing washed down the drain when one is destroyed.
Thanks. |
Haffsol
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:23:04 -
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It's literaly this much. |
CJ Alland
Off-Target Rage Quit and Disconnect
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Posted - 2015.05.15 17:51:18 -
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Scott Manley does a pretty good job of answering some of your questions : https://youtu.be/x_ZLkk2Qmj0
It's a little bit dated though. The price of a titan hull is closer to about 100b now I believe. |
Shidoshi Ryuu
Omega Tactical Group Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:45:42 -
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CJ Alland wrote:Scott Manley does a pretty good job of answering some of your questions : https://youtu.be/x_ZLkk2Qmj0 It's a little bit dated though. The price of a titan hull is closer to about 100b now I believe.
100bil is close to $1800 worth of plex if I am doing the math right. It is hard to imagine the effort that sum represents in the game.
I am having a hard time comprehending the magnitude of something like B-R. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab36h4aDUUI
How much collective effort is represented on that battlefield? |
CJ Alland
Off-Target Rage Quit and Disconnect
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:40:25 -
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The battle was between CFC and N3. N3 lost the fight and ultamatly the war.
These coalitions are huge, we're talking tens of thousands of members, sure many might just be grunts but a large number will also be involved in the production and logistics involved in keeping the alliances running.
It's not just the battle you need to consider when messuring the collective effort. There would have been 1000's of man hours mining, hauling, producing, calculating all things that add to the eventual production of a titan which is then sold to the alliance/member and then used in the fight.
There were also thousands of Capitals (Dreads/Carriers) and even they are not cheap or quick to build.
At the rate nullsec power we're growing it was inevitable that something on this scale was going to happen.
Nullsec alliances will fund titans with moon minning and renting out space. NA was making over 1trill a month just off their renting empire alone at one point. |
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
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Posted - 2015.05.16 06:00:26 -
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Checking the blueprint of a Leviathan, it looks like it takes 60-65 billion in ore to make. My rule of thumb is that highsec mining tops out at about 20 million of ore gathered per hour. Since the recent ore rebalancing, you can do better than that in null, but to keep things simple I am going to just divide 60 billion by 20 million and figure it takes 3000 man-hours just to mine the ore. To put that in perspective, a 40 hour a week paying job with 2 weeks off for vacation takes 2000 hours per year. So just mining the ore is like 1.5 man-YEARS of work. Far more than the apparent PLEX cost, because mining isn't really an efficient way to earn ISK in Eve.
Then it has to be hauled to various POSes to be assembled into capital components, and then the capital components have to be hauled to a central POS for assembly into the titan. All this work has to be defended from enemy alliances who have enormous incentive to keep you from finishing the job. And don't discount the great administrative effort it takes to get all these people to work together. Losing one of these things is huge. In terms of labor cost, more than totaling a brand new real life car. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:36:24 -
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It depends on how fast you can make isk. On my peak gaming time i made 450b a month. On the other hand, a miner only mines 20m ph, belt ratter 40m, anomaly 60m, exploration 80m, incursions 120m -240m, wormholes 180-300mph, trader 0-3b/m, speculator 0-100b/m.
Understanding the loss of a titan is equal to the total understanding of isk mgaining/making across all "professions" in Eve. That will take you about a year if you are a quick study.
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:23:04 -
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Review the Titan blueprint in question with regards to build time, Material/Time Efficiency research to get the big picture, then take the raw inputs, i.e. ME 5 Avatar BPO bill of materials is,
Quote:Raw Material List for 1 Units of 'Avatar Blueprint' (ME: 5)
Material - Quantity
Tritanium - 3,959,720,298 Pyerite - 959,955,306 Mexallon - 328,130,581 Isogen - 58,013,573 Nocxium - 16,233,918 Zydrine - 5,808,930 Megacyte - 2,889,426
Total Volume of Materials: 53,307,520.32 m3 Total Cost of Materials: 74,611,007,947.07 ISK
Look up the respective ores compositions, their volumes, mining yields per hour and also account for the refining yield.
Quote:Material - Quantity
Capital Clone Vat Bay - 529 Capital Jump Bridge Array - 529 Capital Jump Drive - 529 Capital Corporate Hangar Bay - 529 Capital Ship Maintenance Bay - 529 Capital Doomsday Weapon Mount - 529 Capital Capacitor Battery - 529 Capital Armor Plates - 529 Capital Turret Hardpoint - 529 Capital Power Generator - 529 Capital Construction Parts - 422 Capital Sensor Cluster - 317 Capital Computer System - 317 Capital Propulsion Engine - 211 Capital Shield Emitter - 106
Total Volume of Materials: 66,630,000.00 m3
Then look up the component build times. The above-listed BoM is at ME 0 BPOs.
Volumes are self-explanatory.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. G˙+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.05.17 08:59:05 -
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Think of it as building a car from scratch. If you do it all yourself, yeah, its going to take a while. If you have 1000 ppl do 3 hours of work, it's much much more manageable. |
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.17 16:32:31 -
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GankYou wrote: Total Cost of Materials: 74,611,007,947.07 ISK
Eric Raeder wrote: My rule of thumb is that highsec mining tops out at about 20 million of ore gathered per hour.
Rough estimate 3750hours mining = 156.25days mining + 27day production + 41days component production (11 lines) = 224.25 days to make a single Titan
This is with TE 20 (1k+ days reasearch on a Titan) and using 1 character manufacturing at a POS, add 3 days for Titan manufacture and we are down to more realistic TE levels on :)
So its takes around 7.5 month to make a single Titan (component production multitasked AFTER all the mining is done), this dont count the hauling that also takes some time... |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.17 17:43:56 -
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Already replacedGäķ.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. G˙+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Araikas Rhal
Hair-Trigger Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 18:26:39 -
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OP, you dont want that titan anyway. :)
I played other games in my past life. I must have done something wrong to be re-incarnated as an Eve player.
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Xayder
V I R I I Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 18:39:55 -
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for some it takes alot of effort by moving the minerals and time to buildt, 3 months
for others it takes 3 mins to get one
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