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blacknight9 Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 16:51:00 - [1] I've just watched the last part of the evil presentation and it was quite alright from the moral side of view. But ingame when u choose the race the role playing aspect is lost by the simple fact that u can train for all the ships and modules from the other races. That said for the player who wants to be Amarr, Minmatar, Caldari or Gallente, in the end it only counts the number of attribute points.At the moment the best character is Caldari Achura. So my question for anyone who can respond is (including for the devs) - How do you keep the role playing aspect if in the end the only thing that matters are attribute points? I mean how can u get people to choose other characters to start instead of Caldari Achura? By choosing Caldari Achura u then can train for Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente ships and weapons. Maybe i'm a bit offtopic but i just posted nevertheless.
Tivookz	Posted - 2006.11.12 14:49:00 - [2] The bigger question is how do you make more people attend the fanfest in 2007? yes that is the question! Well the answer is simple, give them something interesting to listen to that has something to do with the game itself instead of some boring speech that nobody cares about. I watched the livetv because I wanted to see more of the stuff coming to eve, not some nervous guy trying to explain what evil is. Before the livetv feed I wanted to go to the fanfest 2007, now I'm not so sure anymore considering how boring and empty most of the stuff was. I mean think about it, they didn't present anything in detail at all, it's like they have millions of big plans but they can't give us any details on it. They showed us planetary flight last year, same thing this year, some screenshots and a video. wow. not. Tiv
Amd Cael OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.11.12 15:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Amd Cael on 12/11/2006 15:46:47 Nice one Tivookz - you are clearly a 10 year old who has no interest in anything but eve. What he was explaining was indeed interesting, I can bet my ass you wouldnt stand up in front of a crowd and talk about that. Oh and actually I don't think he was nervous its called not having English as your first language.
Chadawahee Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Amd Cael Edited by: Amd Cael on 12/11/2006 15:46:47 Nice one Tivookz - you are clearly a 10 year old who has no interest in anything but eve. What he was explaining was indeed interesting, I can bet my ass you wouldnt stand up in front of a crowd and talk about that. Oh and actually I don't think he was nervous its called not having English as your first language. QFT ! he wasnt nervous, he just came running in 5 minutes before he started because his wife is expecting a child very very soon, and i can also asure you that everybody attending this (like me, yes i was there) thought it was a great presentation.
Tivookzz	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:14:00 - [5] heh so just because I disagree with you I'm 10 years old Amd Cael? Geez that makes sense to me. Keep in mind that I'm not the only one thinking that the speech was boring and pointless at a game fanfest. Tiv
Intigo Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.11.12 18:04:00 - [6] And there are others who thought it was quite interesting - so give it a rest, Tivook. The FanFest was sold out and was a huge success from what I saw, I am sure they will have no trouble finding participants in 2007 too. Now shoo. -- Piewat! Low SP piracy Now with more stories and small clips!
Hinik Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:08:00 - [7] In response to the "in detail" comment, we showed only the keynote speach and the 2 before it. What you didn't see were the presentations before this. After all... there has to be SOME exclusive content for the attendees only
Kannteir Amarr White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:31:00 - [8] 1st off, a huge thank you to those who recorded and linked the vids for all those who couldn't afford to go. To answer the question at hand... The guy giving the speech was one of the content developers I believe. Don't you want to know what's on the content developers minds? __________________________________________ -=White Nova=- Carebears With Teeth
Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:39:00 - [9] I thought it was great. I didn't fully agree with him since I prefer to see thing in a order vs chaos perspective rather than a good vs evil, but it was interesting to know that CCP have some thoughts about it. If anyone don't want to go to next years fan fest then don't. More beer for the rest of us :)
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:29:00 - [10] Some people liked it, and I'm sure it was informative and entertaining for them. Others disliked it and I'm sure they have their own reasons too. For some it was a positive affirmation of their own thoughts on the matter, to others it was a slap in the face. For me, it seemed pretty obvious that either he never took a class on philosophy and didn't do enough (or any?) research on his references. Also, delivery was broken to the point of being painful. I understand his wife was days (or even hours) away from delivery, but it's not like he didn't know that months ahead of time. I would have appreciated much more talk about in-game morality. Only after a player asked about the Amarr-Minmatar slavery issue did anything game related come from the lecture. When it was brought up, it dominated the rest of the Q&A session. This is a trajedy because there are so many other interesting facets of the moral dilemma (piracy was not even mentioned!?!?), the philosophy behind how Gal Federation is run, Pleasure hubs, etc... Good initiative, poor execution. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Belid Hagen The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 22:52:00 - [11] I thought the Good & Evil presentation was THE most interesting (atleast from the ones currently available for download).
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.11.15 06:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Latex Mistress For me, it seemed pretty obvious that either he never took a class on philosophy and didn't do enough (or any?) research on his references. Also, delivery was broken to the point of being painful. I understand his wife was days (or even hours) away from delivery, but it's not like he didn't know that months ahead of time. You can work on stuff months ahead of time?! Seriously though, these are EVE developers attempting to dissertate on topics of interest to them. They're not professionals lecturers. I thought it was a unique opportunity to get a glimpse at the true "backend" that affects game mechanics. I mean... lots of decisions in EVE don't have an optimal answer, so a window into the style of thinking that goes into eventual decisions was fairly interesting to me. Why do we have security status as opposed to another mechanism? How do the devs decide what deserves a sec hit and what doesn't? In any case, I think a dive into JSM, Kant, and Rawls, not to mention the pragmatism crowd (Dewey, James et al.), might have met with a few more blank faces. Imo, it struck a fair note in the territory in between.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Ramblin Man Originally by: Latex Mistress For me, it seemed pretty obvious that either he never took a class on philosophy and didn't do enough (or any?) research on his references. Also, delivery was broken to the point of being painful. I understand his wife was days (or even hours) away from delivery, but it's not like he didn't know that months ahead of time. You can work on stuff months ahead of time?! Seriously though, these are EVE developers attempting to dissertate on topics of interest to them. They're not professionals lecturers. I thought it was a unique opportunity to get a glimpse at the true "backend" that affects game mechanics. I mean... lots of decisions in EVE don't have an optimal answer, so a window into the style of thinking that goes into eventual decisions was fairly interesting to me. Why do we have security status as opposed to another mechanism? How do the devs decide what deserves a sec hit and what doesn't? In any case, I think a dive into JSM, Kant, and Rawls, not to mention the pragmatism crowd (Dewey, James et al.), might have met with a few more blank faces. Imo, it struck a fair note in the territory in between. Yes, you can work on stuff months ahead of time (try mining for and building a Titan sometime). 1) He said himself that he's wanted to do this for a long time and 2) I was referring to knowing FF and the birth of his child were going to fall at roughly the same time on the calendar. My point was that he looked both unprepared and distracted. Being distracted and unable to focus I can perfectly understand (though why he would continue with the presentation when he clearly was not in the right frame of mind for it is another question). Getting up in front of 700-ish people and talking *******s I cannot. I appreciate that you feel he struck a fair balance between the depth of topic and his audience - it's not an easy topic by any stretch. Perhaps moral epistemology wasn't the best topic to lecture on if that's the audience isn't prepared to hear it. As I said... it'd be different if the guy talked about the game at all, but the game wasn't even mentioned until a player asked about the Amarr/Minmatar slavery issue, and that dominated until the time was up. But regardless, if it was good for you, I'm honestly glad you got something out of it. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
minerdave Gallente Ma-Ven Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:04:00 - [14] i was gonna ask him if pirates are actually evil or are just entrpaneurs made by wooleh

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