If this is correct it has massive implications.

If this is correct it has massive implications.

Time travel.

Huh.

So-- if this is true, we should be able to identify parallels for 100% of W-Space systems in K-Space. Were you able to do this? If so, were you able to determine a pattern of drift based on your presumed theory of rapid cluster rotation? Mind, I'm still wondering why an unbound, non-homogeneous body would deform instead of simply scattering, but...

(edit: oh, right. No questions at this time. Welp.)

So. 100% of unshattered W-Space systems have a match in star type, and planet types sequentially, in known space? With maximum variation in orbit size of under... 5%? 8%? And other planetary factors such as size, escape velocity, etc, largely matching as well? In 100% of cases?

And completely understood on demurring on questions. The autopsy team did likewise, as they were subject to an apparent bombardment of both bitter recriminations and fandom.

100% of cases, perfect match, minor changes of planet type. One of these is not like the other. By minor variation of planet type, is this-- 5% of planet classes not matching? 20%? 50%? While planet order, size, and other composition including moon count remain the same?

Time travel seems a very large leap, given our current understanding of physics. If we discount the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the result. To that end, the close similarity of the systems suggests a much more chilling, yet similarly monumental scale of revelation. J-space was created by some entity for the purpose of planning a galactic invasion.

Yes, there is the massive costs and astronomical, no pun intended, scale of materials needed. But consider this. To launch an invasion, you begin by simulating your field of battle. Often on a simplified scale or dimension, hence a flattened galactic plane. Next, you send your troops to begin exercises in the field, learning the lay of the land, and how to use the environment to your advantage. There has been a sleeper presence, which I believe is VR, in J-space since their discovery. Using drones to simulate the soldiers on the field, either in battle or training is nothing new. Finally, once the commanders are confident in their battle plans, they begin establishing beachheads in preparation for a full out assault. This is the drifter presence we see now. And ties in with the video feed of the fleet of drifters.

I don't want to speculate what sort of mind would create a copy of new eden for the express purpose of using said copy as a training area, but if true, this planning has been going on for a very long time, long enough for minor perturbations to amplify over time, causing a difference in orbits and global environmental shifts, barren to temperate for example.

J-space was created by some entity for the purpose of planning a galactic invasion.

Yes, there is the massive costs and astronomical, no pun intended, scale of materials needed.

If you can create star systems, why would you need to invade new ones? Building them just to simulate invading them is simply not cost efficient.

If you can create star systems, why would you need to invade new ones? Building them just to simulate invading them is simply not cost efficient.

Cost effective for whom? Sacrificing a dread because it's too long to jump back isn't cost effective for a small corporation. But Black Legion did so in mass numbers. Look to our cluster for one simple resource. Humans. Where else are you going to find the trillions of human beings?

The Declassified Report

For the safety of New Eden, I have approved the declassification of Project Looking Glass. Neither I nor any other TerminalDogma member will be taking questions at this time. Thank you.

The Declassified Report

For the safety of New Eden, I have approved the declassification of Project Looking Glass. Neither I nor any other TerminalDogma member will be taking questions at this time. Thank you.

Interesting. But what about that simple fact that New Eden is observable from Anoikis?

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There are fascinating, if potentially terrible, implications to this.

I had considered the possibility that the wormholes we traverse connect disparate time as well as space. That said, I am not entirely convinced that Anoikis is a future instance of the New Eden cluster. First, as Project Compass discovered, the physical distance between the two clusters can be pretty definitively calculated.

Second, the name Usi - a system out of which I operated - stuck out, and I noted that there are two J-systems tagged as exact matches for it. I did not notice if this was the case for any others, but it only adds further questions.

The Compass 2.5 findings also match within the bounds of the initial project Compass findings perfectly.
So yea..... I'd suggest going back to the drawing board on this and instead considering that just like atoms, star systems will condense into known patterns regularly rather than infinite variation, simply because those patterns are stable.
When we have known analogies with orbital models that form such patterns, why should we be surprised to see it replicated on a macro scale?

Please learn astrophysics. And quantum physics.

In that case please feel free to show exactly why it's impossible for star systems to form in common patterns. Along with a non time travelling explanation for the aforementioned similar star systems given the depth of project compasses mapping and positioning data using several different forms of verification all giving J space a real space location relative to the Eve cluster.

You are correct. Looking at these two Anoikis systems, they appear to be mirrors of each other as well. In two years of looking at this we didn't notice that. In five hours of it being out in the public you did. This right here is why we just released what we had.

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Perhaps when a pilot maneuvers/jumps through a wormhole, they are in fact entering into a simulation. The act of jumping uploads the condensed meta-data of the pilot which, for all intents and purposes, appears to be a seamless transition from one system to another with the wormhole serving as an advanced version of our brain scan technology. I find it disquieting that our behavior within Anoikis (probing, scanning, harvesting data and resources while not engaging in what one could call diplomatic dialogue with the natives) is parallel to the Drifter's behavior currently within our own system.

If Anoikis is a virtual environment, is it an environment to study and establish patterns of communication from alien/foreign civilizations? Are they now merely expressing a dialogue themselves by mirroring our behavior?

But how would that explain the existence of sleeper materials in known space? If your theory were true, we would not be able to bring material out of these wormhole systems. No, I believe that the explanation to be simpler than that.

In that case please feel free to show exactly why it's impossible for star systems to form in common patterns. Along with a non time travelling explanation for the aforementioned similar star systems given the depth of project compasses mapping and positioning data using several different forms of verification all giving J space a real space location relative to the Eve cluster.

Star systems are currently thought to form from a mass of dust and gas collapsing under its own gravity in the form of a Primitive Solar Nebular.

In order to have two identical systems form independently of each other, the initial PSN would have to be of the same size, the same mass, contain the same constituent materials, and even more unlikely - would need to have those materials with the same spatial distribution AND gravitational collapse effects.

In order to reach this stage, the PSN would then have had to have been formed by the supernova of Identical stars, with identical mass, burn times, and element production cycles. There are simply too many variables which would need to be the same to have any kind of natural formation or repetitive 'clumping' of matter.

Whilst in an infinite universe, this repetition of events is possible, maybe even likely - the chances of having 2 individual systems form identically in a similar area of space which are then connected is just mind-bendingly improbable - let alone a large number of duplicate systems.

There is no way this is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

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I notice they all happen to be shattered systems. Our matching script relies on the star as a starting point, so the events that lead to the shattering of a system would throw off detection. TerminalDogma, with input from the public will be focusing next on a method by which to somehow match these systems and to analyze them for matches.

Might we not use their relative positions to otherwise catalogued systems to predict the also relative locations of un-connected local systems to systems that are connected in our current gate network?

Exactly. What remains is however shocking, whatever the truth turns out to be. Wormholes to a galaxy that just happens to connect to systems that have almost exact matches to our own? Thats too much of a coincidence for me to discount time travel/parallel universe idea. Nothing else really explains it. One thing we could do is try to see where the shattered wormhole systems parallel to (im betting near carolines star) , and where in the j space the eve gate wound up.

New Eden system would be a parallel to J130854 and J122331.

Whilst in an infinite universe, this repetition of events is possible, maybe even likely - the chances of having 2 individual systems form identically in a similar area of space which are then connected is just mind-bendingly improbable - let alone a large number of duplicate systems.

There is no way this is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

Except they aren't identical. They have the same planet counts and same moon counts. And vaguely the same orbitals. They aren't the same materials on each planet, they aren't identical orbits. So.... they are 'similar'. To actually use the correct word.

Also Thera at least has been measured using Aura's route indicators as a guide and seems to be in the same area of space as the other systems, a mere 1200ly from us.

They do not seem parallel. New eden system has one planet, J130854 has 7 as does J122331. However J122331 and J130854 seem to be parallels to *each other*.

If you guys can figure out an explanation for that, I'd love to see it and I'm looking forward to seeing what the larger scientific community does with this information.

Attribute the memory loss to boosters or quafe, but can't you still map the shattered wormholes by using a combination of Cynos and the capital navigation window? I don't have the experience to know if a cyno can light in a WH or if the navigation window will give any information for a fleet cyno that is impossible to get

If this is true I will love you forever because we have no method of mapping the shattered systems onto our existing Galileo map of the rest of Anoikis. I'm sending you 100M if this turns out to work. It'll take us a bit to get set up, but this is beautiful if it does.

I'm absolutely not a cyno specialist, i'm just a space traveler and went few times in wh. Once in a fleet i had the pleasure and honor to talk with the Fleet Commander that was kindly explaining how (in simple terms) a fleet was working and also the differences between wh (even if i knew few basics). But i asked him a simple question, or should say more a remark, to what he said to the few people that were there with me. it was that remark : "you mean it's impossible to have hotdrop there ?" and he answered me by the affirmative, no such military techniques possible in the wh.
As i'm not myself a specialist i can't affirm 100% this is true but coming from a Fleet Commander i think it must be the case.
Anyway it's raising others questions : is it possible to light a cyno from a wh to another one ? At the time of my question, shattered ones hadn't appeared and Thera wasn't accessible it could be interesting to test if lighting cyno in shattered ones is possible (of course going to them or just between them) and maybe between shattered ones and usual wh.

My apologies if my answer is raising few other points but i was hoping to help as much as i could.

There has been some discussion that Anoikis could be the New Eden cluster in the future, or a universe parallel to our own. I would appreciate sufficient evidence to disprove my personal concern, that Anoikis could be our past before the massive star gate network and station building projects we've engaged in. Certainly the absence of Yan Jung artifacts is suggestive of the counterpoint, as they were contemporaries or possibly predate the Sleepers by archaeological evidence.

With regard to various theories and evidences that the Anoikis cluster may be 1200 ly from New Eden - the Caroline's Star incident has clearly demonstrated that the local space-time fabric is not always following known models with light propagation. Certainly I've never studied our POS systems, autopilot software, or FTL communications, and any or all might be resistant to changes effecting EM radiation.