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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:24:00 -
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I have no idea what happend last night, and lately I have gotten into the habit of actually talking to both parties before stating an opinion.
But I would like to congratsulate Miso on her new status of officier in (unreadable to me)Jericho.
We should sneak to new caldari and celebrate.
And explain me what your task description is.
I'm puzzled.
Not much happened to be honest. Pirates camped with mines, we came for a fight, pirates logged, we sat around for hours holding the system open.
I dunno how you pirates find the willpower to camp. I find it boring as hell.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:33:00 -
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Like I have stated, my point of contention isn't pirate tactics, uber lame as they are, its the hypocrasy that ****es me off.
The next time Tank CEO or the like, comes on these boards whining about carebears and a lack of PvP, im going to laugh my ass off.
Lian - Drinks are on me. Im good to meet in New Caldari. I don't understand my job title either, but its gonna be fun exploring the possibilities 
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:37:00 -
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I have no idea what happend last night, and lately I have gotten into the habit of actually talking to both parties before stating an opinion.
But I would like to congratsulate Miso on her new status of officier in (unreadable to me)Jericho.
We should sneak to new caldari and celebrate.
And explain me what your task description is.
I'm puzzled.
Not much happened to be honest. Pirates camped with mines, we came for a fight, pirates logged, we sat around for hours holding the system open.
I dunno how you pirates find the willpower to camp. I find it boring as hell.
I know what you mean DB. I'm begining to hate being a "good guy". You sit there and camp and then every so often some jackass comes by with a snide comment about alliances. At least the pirates can just blow then up.
It's boring and half the time the people your helping by keeping the place clear aren't worth it.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:42:00 -
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of course im going to run when we are outnumbered, thats not being un-brave that not being stupid, u seriousally think i coulda won? No way, 9 enemy ships in system? and why arnt they called lag mines then? believe me they can be used as mines to!
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:43:00 -
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It seems to me that to be a "good guy", you have to camp jump-in points or other areas, just as pirates would. Think like a pirate...camp like a pirate....and hold that area of space, making it secure. The trouble with this plan is that you have to be wary of who is a pirate and who isn't.
Good guys won't win by killing...they'll win by occupying territory, much in the way that Concord does now...only killing when the opportunity/situation arises.
Not much fun for anyone looking for a battle.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:49:00 -
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of course im going to run when we are outnumbered, thats not being un-brave that not being stupid, u seriousally think i coulda won? No way, 9 enemy ships in system? and why arnt they called lag mines then? believe me they can be used as mines to!
Like I said, come back when you've grown some balls. I jumped into EC with 5 hostiles camping, and there were 3 of us...why? Cos we have balls. Ironic as 2 of us are girls 
Name a time and place reptar, and Ill go one on one with you. I'll be in a kestrel, with no EW fited, so you bring what you think appropriate to fight me - a scorpion in your case.
Miso x
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:55:00 -
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"Not much happened to be honest. Pirates camped with mines, we came for a fight, pirates logged, we sat around for hours holding the system open."
... Now couldn't you tell all the before i kicked myself throughout for missing out the fun ;.;
"I dunno how you pirates find the willpower to camp. I find it boring as hell.
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Hear, hear. given the choice i'd rather mine o.o;
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:58:00 -
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Lovely, lovely J0sephine!
Are you in game tonite sweetie?
Miso x
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:59:00 -
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why do u have to quote every single thing i say?
Anyway we were not all together there are other groups of pirtates there aswell. We know if 2 NVA are In Sector many more will come..
come on guys lets stop b**ching and just kill each other casually no need to flame all the time 
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hackett on 10/11/2003 14:02:57
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It seems to me that to be a "good guy", you have to camp jump-in points or other areas, just as pirates would. Think like a pirate...camp like a pirate....and hold that area of space, making it secure. The trouble with this plan is that you have to be wary of who is a pirate and who isn't.
Good guys won't win by killing...they'll win by occupying territory, much in the way that Concord does now...only killing when the opportunity/situation arises.
Not much fun for anyone looking for a battle.
Fairly accurate indeed. The other problem being that u will take a security hit in certain areas even when attacking people in 'Pirate' corps. The key is to not give a toss.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:08:00 -
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come on guys lets stop b**ching and just kill each other casually no need to flame all the time
Have you actually read my posts? This is the problem - we can't kill cos you keep logging!
And I quoted you again. Sorry if this offends your delicate sensibilities
So, its a no to my challenge then? Thought so...
Love and kisses
Miso x
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:10:00 -
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its not flaming, its a ancient old practise of 'rubbing it in'.
When they do the same thing ( logging off or not showing up for a battle where we have the greater numbers) we also rub it in for ages and hijack threads for it.
You really need to learn to live with it, you make a mistake everyone knows about it.
This is not a hijack
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:16:00 -
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its a ancient old practise of 'rubbing it in'.
*Thoughts of Hardin and baby oil...shudders*
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:17:00 -
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rofl, mistake????? facing 9 nva 
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:26:00 -
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its a ancient old practise of 'rubbing it in'.
*Thoughts of Hardin and baby oil...shudders*
You just had to go there didn't you?
The Dark Lady IV died last night.
Long live the Dark Lady V.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:27:00 -
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Lovely, lovely J0sephine!
Are you in game tonite sweetie?"
Aye ^^ (pulled an all-nighter on Sat/Sun so skipped yesterday, too tired :/ but have tomorrow off so can hang around some more now ;)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:28:00 -
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Of course I completely agree with Miso here. It is the hypocrisy that makes it all the more gutting. That is why the people that equate Piracy with PvP are generally wrong. Pirates are not by definition PvP players. They are P(Player) vs (Helpless victim players) ... they want certainty, and zero risk. Hence the lagish-jumpin gankfest strategy and the massive firepower advantage in local preference.
And yep, thatÆs not the problem in and of itself; the problem is when pirate players announce themselves the speakers and authority for "PvP" in eve and attempt to get the rules changed to suit their own play style.
Which is utter rubbish.
There are PvP players in EVE who know the score, but in the main, it ain't pirates.
Lots of people have noticed me being quite harsh in commentary on the pirate players recently and wondered if I have had a road to damascus conversion to the old CFS-style crusade against piracy cause ...
The answer is nope; morally I don't really make a judgement on the profession.
But I do make a judgement on the utter rubbish that gets talked by and about pirate players on these boards.
It tends to be utter rot from start to finish.
Our own experience in the NVA is that the sole reason most of our traitors and turncoats left the alliance to join biomass was that they didn't want to be fighting hard targets and preferred piracy because it was the easy road to getting kills.
Fact.
ItÆs what they said. And they cried like girls when we suggested we had to pre-emptively strike Biomass because they would never let us develop in any sort of peace.
And of course it has been hard.
The pirates never take risks.
They never attack if the odds are against them.
They log off when losing with shield boosters firing.
They deploy whatever lag blockades they feel like using.
And they smack talk in local till our eyes bleed at the nonsense crappery of it.
This all pretty much came to a climax a week ago when they came to fight the NVA in a formal fleet battle in a crescendo of boasts and brittle epithets.
They came, they lurked, they noticed the NVA had deployed a minefield and had a large number of ships and drones waiting at jump-in. (pretty much as they had done in every fight we had ever taken to them).
And what happened?
Yep, they petitioned to GMÆs because they considered it was unfair they should face the same difficulties their victims face every single day in EVE.
They wanted the minefield removed.
What they got was the jump-in point moved so their entire fleet could bypass the NVA defensive blockade to arrive in our system without challenge.
They then moved to a stargate; deployed drones (including mining drones) to build a lag-trap and then proceeded to smack-talk in local for a couple of hours to convince our guys to attack.
Eventually they decided to leave, and declared a victorious occupation of the system (after sitting for a couple of hours within an easy gang-warp of our fleet)
*sigh*
Does anyone in the entire game really have anyway to defend this rampant hypocrisy on the part of Biomass and the pirate players therein?
Writ large this is the whole problem with the current EVE pirate profession.
It isnÆt PvP. And if it isnÆt production line ganking of unsuspecting helpless victims then itÆs nothing to their taste.
A ôgood-fightö for a biomass pirate is over in seconds with the result never in doubt.
And if the environment or situation for that fight is in any way adverse or counter to the objective of total victory à well, time to petition boys and get the GMÆs to do ôtheir workö.
Its crap, and its crap to paint it in any other way than crap. People who laud the current pirates of EVE as the PvP saviours of eve are talking rubbish à they truly donÆt understand the score.
Pirates want kills (this involves the maximum amount of destruction against the most helpless targets with the minimum risk)
Pirate hunters want to kill Pirates (this involves extremely frustrating involvement with the biggest cowards and system exploiters in EVE on a daily basis, and at best will involve extremely hazardous engagements when and where the pirates deign to let you have a go for a few moments while they assess the potential for a log-off/log-on-alt quick escape.)
Now you tell me the profession most likely to understand PvP and know what needs changing in this game?
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:35:00 -
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Looks like the Eve grrls are getting angry...
'ave it!
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:37:00 -
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i think jades a lawyer. Shes just got that educated annoyce about her 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:40:00 -
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Anyway we were not all together there are other groups of pirtates there aswell. We know if 2 NVA are In Sector many more will come.. come on guys lets stop b**ching and just kill each other casually no need to flame all the time
Reptar, thats fine, but your idea of "fighting" is to lurk at a mid-point bookmark until you see a way clear from the system to escape from, running, then posting threads about how you cunningly evade the NVA fleet.
WTF? If I posted a thread everytime I had ever "cunningly evaded" a space invader blockade then people would hate my guts for insane board spamming.
Kinda like the reputation you are building right now.
Now, Miso said she would fight you in a frigate ... you have a frigate don't you? Come and fight or shut the hell up.
Your attention-seeking is getting a little tiresome.
[ 2003.11.08 20:33:51 ] Reptar > can u put me higher on you kill list pls?
[ 2003.11.08 20:33:56 ] Reptar > i enjoy it alto
[ 2003.11.08 20:34:24 ] Jade Constantine > you aren't on our kill at all i think
[ 2003.11.08 20:34:38 ] Reptar > yeah i get chased all the time
[ 2003.11.08 20:34:50 ] Reptar > but i think thats cause of my corp
[ 2003.11.08 20:34:53 ] Jade Constantine > yeah well
[ 2003.11.08 20:34:58 ] Reptar > with warmech in
[ 2003.11.08 20:35:16 ] Reptar > can we go on your kos list? and take eves ghsts off?
[ 2003.11.08 20:35:23 ] Jade Constantine > nope
[ 2003.11.08 20:35:30 ] Reptar > pllsssss
[ 2003.11.08 20:35:43 ] Reptar > ah i gotta earn it then ok deal
[ 2003.11.08 20:36:02 ] Jade Constantine > go and attack someone in ec
[ 2003.11.08 20:36:03 ] Reptar > i will deliver 5 nva corpses for 1 place on kos list?
[ 2003.11.08 20:36:29 ] Jade Constantine > are you lonely?
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:43:00 -
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lol
Secretly, everyone fancies Jade.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:47:00 -
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Jade, do they still call you Constantspin?
Give it a rest will you?
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:47:00 -
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Reptar, you are trying to hard and the mistake you made is logging off before you escaped.
I 'm not saying I dont understand why you did it, its the easiest way to escape a fleet and I guess everyone has done it at one point or another.
But it is still a cowardly act, and now you pay the PR price.
On the mines, on some other thread it was stated that both sides use mines to lag people. Its low, but it works and I think untill it is forbidden, alltogether in EvE all parties will use it.
This is not a hijack
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:52:00 -
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um, lets just say this AGAIN 9 ships!!! just lil ol' me jade. And yeah that is my idea of how to escape a blockade when seriousally outnumbered, do u have a better one??? and there we go again always repeating what i say. Last time im going to talk to myself when ur listening
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:53:00 -
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Its very effective isn't it Miso
"Its the common pirate game, strike the straggler, the weak or the one that has no offensive capability."
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:54:00 -
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Jade, do they still call you Constantspin?
Give it a rest will you?
Drethen, you haven't got a clue. Seriously ... get one.
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:55:00 -
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lol
Secretly, everyone fancies Jade.
What do you mean 'secretly'?
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:56:00 -
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I think mines are fun. I was able to dump about 500 yesterday and today Im shooting for 1000. Eventually Ill catch a NVA indy with them and boom! Minefields are a part of tactical warfare. After all Im only in a frigate right Jade?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/11/2003 15:05:15
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On the mines, on some other thread it was stated that both sides use mines to lag people. Its low, but it works and I think untill it is forbidden, alltogether in EvE all parties will use it.
Let me be absolutely plain. The reason my respect for your chaps has dropped to an all-time low, is that they petitioned the existance of a minefield that the biomass fleet wanted to pass as an exploit.
Then in the wake of this what happens? ... you get back to making your own minefields !!!
So why ? (the obvious question)
Is it valid for Biomass alliance to protect their battleships and combat pilots from minewarfare by calling in a friendly GM and getting some help.
When I am expected to just silently suffer the loss of my indy to the mines laid by your side?
Its double standards, its hypocrisy, and worse ... to my eyes, its just cheating. And it has damaged the integrity of the game.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:59:00 -
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POWER TO THE FRIGATE!!!
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