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King Leonidas
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Posted - 2003.11.10 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: King Leonidas on 10/11/2003 00:51:12
After last week's debacle of SPVD getting a GM up to complain about the placing of mines in a defensive manouver, it was ironic to see them place hundreds of mines at the jump in point to EC-P8R this evening.
Please refrain from laying mines at jump in points as they have to be cleared up when you are shoo'ed out of the system. I had to spend a good half hour headbutting the mines with my ship before I cleared them all up.
Thx for your attention.
dbp
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.11.10 00:53:00 -
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Also in future, please remind dbp to make sure he uses the correct account when placing a post in the forums.
thx
dbp
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.11.10 01:00:00 -
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Are mines still on a 30 min det? I hope so. Its been awhile since i was out playing with mines.
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.10 01:30:00 -
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So... just can I clear somthing up... are mines of ANY military value or are they just lag inducers?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.10 01:36:00 -
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Lag. Unless you need them to defend yourself against pods or lowlevel frigates.
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.11.10 03:31:00 -
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Preacher,
please refrain from posting such a bull****.
Thx for your attention.
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.10 03:37:00 -
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Opps, sorry about that! 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.10 03:51:00 -
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So... just can I clear somthing up... are mines of ANY military value or are they just lag inducers?
Depends on if the rumors are true that they prevent a ship from aligning to warp. Every ambush I encountered with mines around, I never actually collided with a mine. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.10 04:13:00 -
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no insult intended sally, but do you actually play the game any more? I ask because I see the rest of the space invaders fairly often around the obvious pirate choke points, but its been an absolute age since I saw you in-local chat.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2003.11.10 07:32:00 -
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30 damage but take 5m cargo
youd think something as big as a torp could be more damge since unlike a torp theres no engine wasting valuble exposive space
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Gunni
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Posted - 2003.11.10 08:45:00 -
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30 damage but take 5m cargo
youd think something as big as a torp could be more damge since unlike a torp theres no engine wasting valuble exposive space
not sure about this.. but i think that torps take 2¦ and the mines take 5¦...
yup, mines should be doing alot more dmg...
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2003.11.10 08:55:00 -
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Another fine example of chicken **** players who cant play the game as it is designed but try to influence parameters outside of game play enviroment to have personal gain (causing lag).
It is funny how pirates say they are not exploiting by trying to lag players out, but when you look at the definition of a exploit as defined by CCP they should be banned .... hmmm
Talk about CCP dropping the ball both on the game design aspect and the rule enforcement aspect.
NOT GOOD!!
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 10/11/2003 09:42:32
After this weekends little escapades with pirate corps in Eve, Im of the opinion that they are the biggest bunch of whinging bull**** merchants in this game.
I got ganked in placid in a shuttle by two LBC in battleships. Lame as f uck. I return with a friend, I retrace my route back into Placid, only to find, mysteriously, that the pirates have all logged.
SI were in EC last night. 4 Battleships versus 3 NVA - me in a cruiser, db in a cruiser and peabody in a BS. I get ganked before the screen loads. I return with 4 players, in cruisers - what happends? Yep, SI start disappearing from local.
What is it with you idiots? You complain incessantly about the lack of PvP in Eve, and when you get it, you log off. WTF? Are you f ucking stupid or something? I'm tired of all your crap. You could try and stay logged in, then you might get some action. Jeez, even the miners I used to gank had more balls than you guys - at least they got back in a ship and came looking for me.
"Whats that little Jimmy? Yes, I smell it too... its the smell of chickensh it... and its coming from Eve's pirate corps..."
Sally: Your a ****.
Edit: for sally comment.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.11.10 10:16:00 -
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Miso:
Its the common pirate game, strike the straggler, the weak or the one that has no offensive capability.
After a few attacks relocate (or in this case log off and wait a few hours).
Repeat.
We have to face it, most pirates dont want PvP, they want a pirate experience, ie attacking helpless foes and then running.
I dont blame them however, they are playing a role advertised on the box, I just wish they would come clean and admit they dont want a fight, they want a kill :)
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 10:31:00 -
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I dont blame them however, they are playing a role advertised on the box, I just wish they would come clean and admit they dont want a fight, they want a kill :)
I was waiting for that exact reply. Sorry, I don't accept that. Im very tired of the hypocrasy - pirates always go on about carebears crying over losing their ship, when they cry even harder when they lose theirs. They are the first to cry exploit when they get ganked, yet claim it as tactical when they do the same thing. They don't want PvP. They don't want to fight. All they want to do is have the biggest gun and kill with no risk or come-back. That to me is pathetic. I'd put up with these tactics if these idiots didn't keep contradicting themselves on these forums, or smack talking in local.
I'll fight anyone, anywhere, in anything. Name a time, place I'll be there. I want PvP. Not a pod before my screen has finished loading and a stream of hypocrasy and abuse.
Pirates are adding nothing to this game for PvP'ers. They are just ****s. They talk the talk, lag someone and then log off. Thats just lame. Its not skillful, clever or interesting. Now sticking around to fight afterwards, thats a different thing. But it never happends.
Sorry, but I'm utterly sick of the bullshi t in this game from certain players
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:08:00 -
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Miso my lass.
I totally agree.
When we hunt rats, i put them in my book, its like disco inferno, all the red green red green fron the logging hurts ma eyes .
sort it grrrrrrr, PVP ma ass.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:13:00 -
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Miso my lass.
I totally agree.
When we hunt rats, i put them in my book, its like disco inferno, all the red green red green fron the logging hurts ma eyes.
sort it grrrrrrr, PVP ma ass.
Lol
You're still hot. There's not much competition.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:34:00 -
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Miso
I agree, but what is the solution?
I am a strong advocate of the fact that this game is not built for PvP, jump in lag proves that. Fix the lag issue and most of the issues with gate gankers will go away.
I also agree with you that its lame lagging out an oponent and claim it as a victory when you destroy the ship before the screen even loads for the foe.
But what this all boils down to is that we the players must put preassure on CCP to 1: enforce the exploit rules and 2: fix the damn jump in lag problem.
As for the pirates logging off as soon as any real challenge comes their way...
Only solution I can see for that would be to force them to stay and stay in accessable space. As I am very oposed to that kind of action be it 1.0 mining or staying and fighting we must accept people will always wimp out.
Its sad but impossible to solve satisfactory.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:49:00 -
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Fester - I accept everything you say. But my main "beef" is with the hypocrasy. OK, get an easy kill, smack and log off when the fight looks like evening out, but don't come on these forums claiming to be a PvP'er and wanting PvP so much, like most pirate idiots do. Cos when the opportunity for PvP arrives, they log off. Thats hypocrasy.
Also, hiding behind the excuse that the only way to Pvp is to lag someone out is pure BullSh it and pirates know it. Its very easy in Eve to PvP without lag. I've done it many times. All it takes is participants to have the guts and integrity to do it. There's plenty of that on my side, not much on the other.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:54:00 -
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Well, I agree, and disagree(not really), I have had a few great fights with pirates. Let me emphasize few. Situations where we chased each other around syndicate while amassing a couple backup ships on both sides, finally trapping them in a system, and we were actually outnumbered. But fight we did. Even though one scorp was running from a Thorax. LOL , And a Noob PVPer in a THorax he he.
Most of the time in my experience they do run if there is a doubt they will lose. Sometimes they haven't run.
And yes I have the christams tree addressbook too, its kinda neat to see who just wimped out on a fight. Send them an EVEmail when you see it and remind them of their cowardice. I'm sure they loved to read it. :)
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:00:00 -
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And yes I have the christams tree addressbook too, its kinda neat to see who just wimped out on a fight. Send them an EVEmail when you see it and remind them of their cowardice. I'm sure they loved to read it. :)
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PussyCat
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:02:00 -
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Me love Laggggg
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Cochise
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cochise on 13/11/2003 11:54:24
Damn!!!! Miso is SEXY when shes mad !!!!!!!!!
May I PLEASE HAVE the next Dance?
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:10:00 -
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It is funny how pirates say they are not exploiting by trying to lag players out, but when you look at the definition of a exploit as defined by CCP they should be banned .... hmmm
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wtf so oh we cant lay mines now???? cause of lag???? why are mines there anyway its not like your going layin 2-3 of them are you???? And we cant deploy drones when we see you either!!!
Hey maybe we just want to use mines, and drones things which are designed for use within the game without getting flamed? thye are in the game for a reason and thats is not to cause lag,  if they do its a side effect dont moan, just go home...
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 10/11/2003 12:19:43
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thye are in the game for a reason and thats is not to cause lag, if they do its a side effect dont moan, just go home...
You can't really be that stupid. Nobody can be that stupid. Mines at jumpins are used solely to lag. Period.
Also, I noticed that you soon ****ed off out of EC when NVA turned up, just like Leitari and those other SI lamers. And Capt Mascara was there too I beleive, with his awesome fighting alts...
Jeez you guys are pathetic. Come back when you've grown some balls.
Cochise - anytime sweetie.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/11/2003 12:33:00
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Me love Laggggg
WHATS NEW P USSYCAT? WOOOOOAAAHHHHH WOOOOOAAAAHHHH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAHHH.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 10/11/2003 12:42:21
W00t.
Mines are solely for lag.
Torpedoes=2m3.
Mines=5m3.
HOWEVER, mines are essentially free shots at the enemy, since you can fire them BEFORE the enemy arrives. Yes, so 200 mines is 1k m3. Get a hauler with 10k m3. 2k mines. 2k*40=80,000. Assume only 100 will be hit. 4,000.
So they deploy 100 mines.
Still a free 500 damage ain't it? (in case you hadn't noticed torps have to reload)
Sorry if I ruined anyones secret strategy . This mine BS is p*ssing me off though  .
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PussyCat
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:52:00 -
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I mean I use mines incase we get ambushed
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.11.10 12:59:00 -
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Although I wouldn't word it the same as Miso, the underlying facts are correct.
Pirating is a low risk activity.
Scenario: Pirate Hunter jumps into a system where pirate X is camping in their uber scorpion blowing up indys.
One of the following will then happen:
"Oh look, time for me to log as my alt character. I'll come back when you've gone"
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Pirate X jumps into empire space under the protection of CONCORD(WTF??)
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Pirate X warps to safe point talking smack in local until you get bored and go home.
I don't think anyone can disagree with this, and there must be a solution. Engaging with a single ship to lure them into combat doesn't work either, because 9/10 pirates won't engage something that *may* beat them.
I don't blame the pirates for this, but I would really like something to be done. Personally I think this game really lacks for the 'good guys'.
Possible solutions could be:
Ship not disappearing from space unless you are docked
Removal of safe points, and better tools to track ships (still no use if they can just log)
This isn't the fault of the pirates as such, I mean, who would risk their ship? Pirates need more risk, not kicking out of empire.
I can't go into certain parts of empire thanks to podding a biomass member in 0.4 that was attacking my gang mates. I mean, thanks a lot concord. My corp mate KIAHicks had numerous sec hits for destorying Biomass missiles and torps with his defenders.
Pirates don't need kicking out by empire. This is totally the wrong solution.
Make it more dangerous for them from other players. Let us pod known pirate corporations in empire, let us camp gates and wait for them. Make the risk a two way thing. It's getting beyond a joke now.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of your ship staying in space if you don't dock before logging.
I enjoy 'playing the good guy', but spending hours camping a system that a pirate is logged in waiting for you to go away, just isn't fun.
I'm holding out in the hope, that eventually this sort of stuff will get sorted out.
I watch the pirates have their rants about 'EVE not being fair for them', so now I'm having my turn 
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.10 13:04:00 -
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I have no idea what happend last night, and lately I have gotten into the habit of actually talking to both parties before stating an opinion.
But I would like to congratsulate Miso on her new status of officier in (unreadable to me)Jericho.
We should sneak to new caldari and celebrate.
And explain me what your task description is.
I'm puzzled.
This is not a hijack
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