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Lord Thingol Shadow Play	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:21:00 - [31] Just browsing the White Wolf site, and I found this: White Wolf What the....?!!
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Ysolde Xen Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Fey Valeri Also, White Wolf managed to completely destroy their own WoD setting in the recent re-write of their mythology. Umm, what? The new Vampire is simply better than the old one on pretty much any standard you care to name. (etc) This, I'm afraid, is purely down to personal opinion. It's not objecrively better, it's only better to some people. As it happens I know more people who dislike the new games and prefer the old ones but that's probably just my local demographic. There are many improved features in the new systems, as well as many steps backwards in creativity. I'm taking the tack of agreeing to disagree with people because trying to get them to change their minds on these things is fruitless and akin to trying to pursuade someone to swap political party affiliations Quite true. Games liking and dislikes are very much personal opinion, and that's the way it should be. I was just saying that the person I was responding to had a very one-sided view of the new WoD, which I hear mostly good things about myself (and I've read the 4 new corebooks and about 8 of the supplements, so I can base my own opinion on more than wild handwaving). The new Mage I'm "meh" about, I think there's a good game lurking in there somewhere but it needs some help as a game line. The new Vampire and Werewolf are imho fantastic, and Promethean is mucho cool (just read it some weeks back). At the moment the WW game I'm most into is Exalted, actually. That game kicks ass, and Creation is a pretty unique take on the fantasy genre. But that's another topic...
June Sun	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:26:00 - [33] I honestly can't understand why you guys are so worried about this takeover. There are two things that are likely to happen in the future. 1) CCP is going to release a new MMORG using the World Of Darkness setting. Probably in 2-4 years time though. 2) Whitewolf is going to create CCG based on the EVE online world. Given CCP's track record with EO I'm not worried at all. It's easy to understand why they don't want to do EVE 2, or another space MMMORG for that matter. It's also easy to understand why they would rather implement a fantasy MMORG based on a already existing fantasy setting, rather than create their own from scratch. The only question in my mind is if they will they release a sharded or unsharded vampire MMORG.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:29:00 - [34] Originally by: June Sun I honestly can't understand why you guys are so worried about this takeover. Well, since CCP is the controlling partner here, I'm a bit worried that CCP will siphon White Wolf's development talent and resources towards EVE, leading to less White Wolf games, slower release schedule and maybe cancellation of less popular game lines. I hope to be wrong in this, but can't help but worry a little. In the best case scenario, the companies operate independently and just share resources where needed. It can work out, if both parties are smart and keep fans of CCP and White Wolf games happy. I'm both, myself (but have much more time and money invested in White Wolf games).
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Alex Harumichi At the moment the WW game I'm most into is Exalted, actually. That game kicks ass, and Creation is a pretty unique take on the fantasy genre. But that's another topic... Oh definitely agreed Exalted is creative and different enough to slip outside the general 'fantasy' tag in my opinion and that's one of the reasons I like it so much. Hm, I think this is rapidly going Out Of Pod. An Exalted MMO... oh wouldn't that be obscene. They could do charm combos the way Saga of Ryzom does integrated action stanzas and everything. ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.

kieron	Posted - 2006.11.12 18:16:00 - [36] I hope I can lay some fears to rest, CCP will continue to devote our time and effort to EVE, but some of the technologies coming to EVE in the future (full body avatars, environmental interaction, etc.) will be used in future MMOGs based off the WW intellectual properties. White Wolf will continue to work on their pen and paper projects, will internalize production of the EVE CCG and start on a small line of EVE RPG and gaming products. Both companies will continue in their natural paths, but with a larger creative team behind both efforts. This should benefit both communities in the short and long terms. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2006.11.12 19:28:00 - [37] Sounds good to me, Ive long been a fan of White Wolfs products, WoD is dark it fits the style CCP seem to like for their game. EvE p&p wil flesh out the backstory and give in-game RPers more to work with, and knowing that the code they use for out of ship interaction will generate more profit in the future will likely increase the revenue CCP will be able to allot to it. With luck this will lead to both EvEs out of ship interaction and the new MMO being able to share a lot of resources I cant see there being much but graphics, content, and balance being different between the two. I always thought EvE was WoD in space oddly enough. Blood Raider Covenant anyone, hopelessness and despair, massive imbalance of power between the immortals and the lowly normal folk, with a liberal sprinkling of violence and intrigue But still I must admit, with such a HUGE change to both parties, I have my worries.
Scetrov Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:20:00 - [38] OK, so in summary it is effectively an intellectual property sharing agreement, each company using the IP of the other to best use its strengths. White Wolf will produce paper based EVE along with their existing product base and CCP will produce an WoD MMO. Sounds good, best of luck to both companies. :) --
Muthsera S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:23:00 - [39] Originally by: kieron I hope I can lay some fears to rest, CCP will continue to devote our time and effort to EVE, but some of the technologies coming to EVE in the future (full body avatars, environmental interaction, etc.) will be used in future MMOGs based off the WW intellectual properties. White Wolf will continue to work on their pen and paper projects, will internalize production of the EVE CCG and start on a small line of EVE RPG and gaming products. Both companies will continue in their natural paths, but with a larger creative team behind both efforts. This should benefit both communities in the short and long terms. Right about now I wanna buy some ccp stocks. Rabble

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Taurequis Hi, I think this might actually be a winner for CCP. It's not as if they can't just double the company size while developing a second game and it makes the overall CCP brand alot more secure from the dreaded external takeover. White Wolfs worlds and source books are some of the best out there in the roleplaying community. CCP while making this game will have all the art work, characters, skill system, developmental tree, historys, background, etc etc already there and just waiting a bit of balance when they have all the graphic's, gameplay stuff sorted. Saves doing it all from scratch.... Plus they got a massive White Wolf fan base of Emo's, roleplayers and fit goth chicks to tap into. Also its not a bloody elf hack and slash WoW clone thank bloody gods. Taur Can someone please point me in the direction of the fit goth chicks? Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Wrangler Can someone please point me in the direction of the fit goth chicks? There right there, between the pink elephants! hick! ___________________
Bigby angels of darkness LTD	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Muthsera Right about now I wanna buy some ccp stocks. Me too, but I think CCP are privately owned - can anyone confirm/deny this?
Conwright Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:47:00 - [43] Edited by: Conwright on 12/11/2006 20:47:15 Originally by: aggiedog Well if they do create a new genre, I do hope they keep it all on the same cluster. I would hate to kill vampires on another server other than Tranquility. Come on CCP, integrate into the game. For instance.. The Minitar were enslaved because the Amarr needed them to farm them for blood. Now the Amarr are desperate to subjugate them as their quadrillion pint supply of O+ blood is nearly depleted. Why do you think I wear this hood? /stupid daylight...
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Bigby Originally by: Muthsera Right about now I wanna buy some ccp stocks. Me too, but I think CCP are privately owned - can anyone confirm/deny this? Yes they are, as it states succinctly in the WW press release. On a more serious note, isn't it time for a cyber-punk vampire game? Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:09:00 - [45] Originally by: F'nog Yes they are, as it states succinctly in the WW press release. On a more serious note, isn't it time for a cyber-punk vampire game? I think I just came... God yes, gimme a White Wolf game with those two and... well, I don't need anything else. ever, including women, friends and booze... God I love my booze..
Pah Triac Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:29:00 - [46] We should never ever hope they will go to the stock market.... I just do not like the Idea that some bigshot ******s coughEACough* get the idea to buy some stock holders out. and gain controll... Your local friendly Ammatar * People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true. *
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:45:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Thingol Just browsing the White Wolf site, and I found this: White Wolf What the....?!! 400x120@24000 Bytes Maximum please. -Capsicum ___ /o.0\ \___/ <-- This is Jigglypuff!! [
OMG Celizatis	Posted - 2006.11.15 16:05:00 - [48] So long as WW dosn't make Eve into a LARP like their other games, and dosn't make Mage an MMO, I'm fine with ANYTHING that they do.... except maybe changling.... I hate changeling.... with a passion..... Oh, and most of the WW lovers I know aren't goth. And the LARPs tend to have a large number of females, quite a few of which who are above average in looks. At least in Ohio. -Celizatis, Mage: The Awakening Assistant Venue Storyteller
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2006.11.15 16:11:00 - [49] I just want white wolf resources to make a complete Eve player's guide. Merc Blog
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.15 16:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Drazhar Kain Warhammer 40k online! Someone! (too bad CCP didn't merge with Games-workshop, eh?) that. would. rock. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.11.15 16:31:00 - [51] I have warm fuzzy feelings about White Wolf. I've been playing their games since I was this tall. The strongest memory I have of it is playing V:M at a friends house at 3am and realizing that I was the only guy with 11 young women... The game devolved from there. Thanks White Wolf. The Deeper you stick it in your vien, the deeper the thoughts there is no more pain.
Becham	Posted - 2006.11.15 17:44:00 - [52] I played a pvp MUD called Vampire Wars, was based on the White Wolf game. It's still around but apparently it's gone carebear. I'd play a 3d vamp game if someone made one that wasn't lame.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 17:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Drazhar Kain Warhammer 40k online! Someone! (too bad CCP didn't merge with Games-workshop, eh?) er.. http://www.warhammeronline.com
ChipMo Caldari The Rat Pack	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:16:00 - [54] Originally by: EBIL ED world of darkness..... mhhhhhhh some creativity please lol rofl, was thinking the same tbh -------------------------- RARR
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:17:00 - [55] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Drazhar Kain Warhammer 40k online! Someone! (too bad CCP didn't merge with Games-workshop, eh?) er.. http://www.warhammeronline.com Do you see tanks, defilers, dreadnoughts and lascannons in those screenshots? _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Hitomi Ayame Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:19:00 - [56] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Drazhar Kain Warhammer 40k online! Someone! (too bad CCP didn't merge with Games-workshop, eh?) er.. http://www.warhammeronline.com The upcoming Warhammer MMO is based on Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. Those gameworlds are very, very different. Honestly, if they announced a 40k MMO, I'd probably need some new underwear. Also, Exalted was easily the best thing that White Wolf has ever done. In fact, if you ask me, it's the only thing they've done that hasn't sucked, besides maybe Mage. - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, RKOK Executor, KHAN The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
Feyd Darkholme Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.15 19:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Drazhar Kain Warhammer 40k online! Someone! (too bad CCP didn't merge with Games-workshop, eh?) Oh God no... as owner of a smallish game retailer I wouldn't wish GW on anyone. I stopped doing business with them about 2 years ago after yet another go at it. Their games are great certainly, but as a company I wouldn't work with them if you paid me. I think WW is a perfect fit for CCP, and they have no properties that would conflict with EVE. Also, rumors of WW having financial trouble are just that, rumors. ---------------
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.15 19:55:00 - [58] TBH I'm unhappy with the merger. I know CCP wants to get the best out of their brand and is trying to push gaming branding, but I think in the end this is going to hurt the quality that they build their reputation on. Speaking of reputation, I've heard some bad things about how White Wolf has managed their games. Maybe thats why they're nearly bankrupt? Keep it simple, CPP. Keep it small, but high quality. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Feyd Darkholme Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.15 20:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Synapse Archae Speaking of reputation, I've heard some bad things about how White Wolf has managed their games. Maybe thats why they're nearly bankrupt? Read my post above... TBH of all the companies I've worked with over the past 10 years or so, WW is one of the best. As a retailer and as someone with a close friend that has a large wholesale business I can tell you that 99.9% of rumors you hear about most game companies are just rumors. Any slow bussiness times WW has had are more due to market fluctuations and interest in gaming in general than any decisions that WW made. Of all the larger game companies of it's type, WW is one of the healthies and has a good reputation with those in the know. ---------------
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.11.15 20:32:00 - [60] Edited by: Ramblin Man on 15/11/2006 20:36:07 Originally by: Synapse Archae Keep it simple, CPP. Keep it small, but high quality. Let me tell you a story about a game called Neocron... Developed by a wonderful, small, high-quality company called Reakktor out of Germany, it was EVE-meets-Planetside. Cutthroat, solely zone-based PvP - just like EVE. Awesome story, awesome concept, thoroughly fun beta. The main difference with EVE was that it was FPS (or third person if you messed with the camera). I plunked down a lot of time in the community. Followed it from a throw-away message board during pre-production, through two or so professional boards and every phase of extra-dev beta. Even did a bit of dialog/writing and have my name and handle in the credits (wouldn't be too proud of it now though - couldn't write worth a **** then). But... Reakktor didn't have the resources to push their game to the masses, being a small company and all. As a result, they partnered with CDV to publish Neocron. Poof went the innovative features. Poof went the solely zone-based PvP - replaced with a PvP flag. And in the end? After mandating these changes, CDV didn't even do a particularly good job of marketing the game. Put simply, Reakktor got **** because they didn't have enough bargaining power to hold on to their vision. So maybe someone with a large bag of money comes along, offering CCP a chance to do something they've always wanted with EVE. Only... there are a few things that make the prospective partner nervous about EVE. I mean... should you really lose your ship and implants when you die? I dunno... that sounds like it might frighten some people... That's** why the CCP-WhiteWolf merger is a good idea. So the combined entity can tell "prospective partner X" to go screw themselves if needed. They'll either work with CCP's version of EVE or no EVE [or no White Wolf property], and that's the way it should be.

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