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Gerell Mai
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:25:00 -
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Hello, I'm thinknig of making a reimbursement petition due to the loss of my ship. I'm wondering if I should even bother though, because it was not CCPs fault my ship was lost. But I feel if I was playing a single play game and something like this happend, I'd reload my game ot the last save point even if I'm playing 100% fair and not powergaming etc. Anyways, I'll explain what happened by letting you read what I may or may not include in my petition depending on what you, the community, think of the situation.
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Dear CCP
I was playing EVE, traveling in my Cerberus in high security space, when my brother triped over the keyboard and mouse wires, ripping them out of the computer. When he was plugging them back in my mouse and keyboard freaked out and my cursor started pointing all over and my keyboard started pressing random buttons.
Amazingly, all this random key pressing and mouse moving activated a medium nosferatu I onto a STARGATE, even bypassing the warning message that briefly popped up.
I recognize it is 100% not your (CCPs) fault my ship was lost. But given the nature of this loss (I was not killed by a player or even by an NPC that I was figthing) I am hoping you could restore my ship loss.
A cerberus is sooooo expensive and it just seems like such a waste that one could be lost to such a simple out of game thing.
I hope you can help, but I will understand if you cant.
Thank you.
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So what do you fellows think? Please, dont flame me. I'm here to ask your opinion.
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Golerre Evraun
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Golerre Evraun on 13/11/2006 09:30:36
that's your problem not CCP's and honestly, with the backlog of petitions that already exist you would only be wasting precious resources on filing one for this issue
<edit> if this happens again you need to pull the ethernet cable out from the back of your pc and whip your brother with it, this serves two purposes, first it will alleviate a bit of stress and second it will force a disconnect from eve, after eve disconnects you can safely reinsert all 3
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar
Doomcraft
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:29:00 -
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I'd say you won't get anything back, it was an error on your side, not theirs.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 09:36:33
It was your fault. Please dont petition stuff like that, you have no chance of getting the ship back due to your mistakes. Sorry to hear about the loss though, Cerb is very expensive.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:37:00 -
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I don't know whether to laugh at a joke and shake my head in disbelief.
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar
Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:38:00 -
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1. Buy an Indy and a miner II, and make your brother mine veld until you can afford a new ship and fittings.
2. Save up in RL for a computer desk so that you don't have wires trailing across the floor.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:25:00 -
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1) It was your brother's error, not CCP, so it won't work
2) Kill your brother
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/11/2006 10:28:25
 Originally by: Sakura Nihil
2) Kill your brother
But ask him, if he has an up-to-date clone before, otherwise your parents notice the difference. 
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Gerell Mai
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:39:00 -
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Ok. I've seen some statements on how you feel CCP staff will respond. It would be interesting to hear hoew you think CCP Staff -should- respond. Probably most people will still say the same thing, which is understandable, but I ask you to consider what happened and think about it deeply.
If I was playing a single player game that has save points and something like that happened I'd restore the game to the last save point, even if I was totally playing the game fairly and not using the save ability as a means to make up for my own tactical/playing ability related mistakes.
If I was playing monopoly and my brother accidentally stepped on another players money pile, pushing some of the money into the bank pile, I'm sure we would pause the game and sort out the players money.
EVE is an online computer game, and what happened is not as easily fixed I imagine, since it requires some people I dont know to look into some logs to verify what happened, but I think as long as CCP does not think I'm lying (and the logs would go to show there is really no other solid explination), I don't see why they wouldnt refund the ship loss, eventhough it clearly is not their fault.
It is not due to any in game rules/mechanics that my ship was destroyed, and no one in the game will lose anything or benefit in any way (other than myself, but thats justifiable) if the ship is restored. If a GM knows that I lost my ship to a fluke I/O error, and he knows no other players will be impacted, and all he has to do is push a button, why not push it?
I'm not even sure if I agree with my own reasoning above. Like I said from the beginning, I fully 100% understand its not CCPs fault my ship was destoryed. I suppose I'm just playing a little bit of devils advocate and trying to encounrge people to see past "what CCP will do" (which I admit if they dont refund my ship it is perfectly fair) and begin to think about "what CCP *should* do".
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Biarch
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:47:00 -
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Your comparisons with Monopoly and single players games are so far off the mark. That's the point. If you could "save" in Eve then there'd be no risk.
Their logs will show that you activated a NOS on a stargate in hi-sec, and got Concorded accordingly. How it was activated they won't show.
So please don't waste valuable resourced petitioning something that shouldn't and won't be refunded.
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Thelgor
Caldari
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:01:00 -
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Just pretend a crewman on your ship went suicidal.
Imagination is fun.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:04:00 -
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well the answer is obvious if u get youre stuff back eveyrone will use the same excuse - CCP can we get this locked as pretty well offtopic or moved over to the out of pod forum
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Dee Ellis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:06:00 -
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How do you 'waste' time?
It's a obscure as 'saving' time..
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:08:00 -
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waste or save its a split decision ( time to drive this offtopic)
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Tao Han
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:11:00 -
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Tbh, I dont buy any of this. Its really far fetched and as stated earlier, its your own fault, not CCP's so why should they reimburse you? Infact, petitioning that is just a waste of time, time that could have been used for real petitions.
Sorry, dont mean to sound harsh.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:13:00 -
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just sound harsh CCP will give him the same response
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Caleb Paine
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:24:00 -
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"no officer, it was my brother"
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:34:00 -
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Think this post shows the current problem with the reimbursment petition system.
These days people will file a reimbursement in the hope they will get their stuff back for free regardless.
If it works they have their ship back for basically nothing, if they don't they have lost nothing but have used up a gms time and resources that would have been better allocated to somthing more productive while slowing down the petition system in general.
I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go at the OP here because I'm not, just making a general statement using this situation as an example.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Queranna
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:37:00 -
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i think you may as well try to petition, after all what good reason is there to nos a stargate? none, so it was clearly an accident. but it is CCP's decision and it may come down to what particular GM answers your petition.
Just live with whatever decision they give you.
I don't agree that the game is like monopoly or others with save points though and that creates thrill. But in these situations i don't see any good reason why, when it is clearly an accident, CCP should not give you your ship back. If they just put a blanket statement and say we don't refund ships when it was not our fault then so be it.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Think this post shows the current problem with the reimbursment petition system.
These days people will file a reimbursement in the hope they will get their stuff back for free regardless.
If it works they have their ship back for basically nothing, if they don't they have lost nothing but have used up a gms time and resources that would have been better allocated to somthing more productive while slowing down the petition system in general.
I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go at the OP here because I'm not, just making a general statement using this situation as an example.
yea I gotta agree, lots of people simply petition 99% of losses and hope they get a ship back. It was obviously the OP's fault and nothing to do with ccp, suck it up and move on.
Just a waste of time for the GM's when they could be dealing with much more important issues.
500mil fine for every failed reimburment petition i my opinion. That'll sort em 
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
500mil fine for every failed reimburment petition i my opinion. That'll sort em
Sounds bad imo. I've recieved several mails from ccp saying "Our logs doesn't show this and that so you can't have your ship back" even though my ship was lost due to bugs or lagg. A 500 mill fine would just add salt to the wound in that case.
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Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:05:00 -
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LOL OP your luck has just ran out.
As for the rest of ya disbeleavers, Yeah OP go ahead and make that petition, stranger things have happened. The Flying Dutchman...I...II...III...IV. Hint I only paid for one of those.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:07:00 -
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Well CCP can't tell if it was your brother who made you lose your ship or if you activated the Nosferatu on purpose. Even if it was your brother the Cerberus will not be returned since it wasn't CCP fault. Tough luck, be more careful next time.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:19:00 -
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The main reason is because we have to take you at your word.
You may be lying if you aren't then are 30 people that will.
The next time there are posts with crap customer service plastered all over them this thread ought to be raised.
Not that you have wasted CCPs time just to illustrate why the Q is now a 30 year waiting list.
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:19:00 -
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Sorry, but if you petition that I'd personally ban the crap out of your account if i was the GM that got the petition.
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:41:00 -
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Yet another case that speaks in favor of disallowing players from locking objects that under any circumstances should never, ever have to be locked, stargates and NPC stations in particular, or even sentry guns. It would be easy to implement and save everyone a lot of trouble.
The only argument in favor of allowing people to lock a gate is the comical nature of a pilot who clicks too fast and starts warp scrambling a gate instead of a real target. Which we can easily do without.
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Araxmas
Caldari
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tao Han
Tbh, I dont buy any of this. Its really far fetched and as stated earlier, its your own fault, not CCP's so why should they reimburse you? Infact, petitioning that is just a waste of time, time that could have been used for real petitions.
Sorry, dont mean to sound harsh.
I have to agree, sounds a bit too much like a coincidence. Not saying you lieing i mean i have had some crazy things happen but that just sounds a bit wacky.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:53:00 -
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Get your brother a barge and check in with him in a few weeks to see if he made it up to you.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Leviathan Corperation LTD
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:13:00 -
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hehehe, this was my LOL thread for today.
'Dear CCP,
My corpmate was gangleader of my gang and warped me into a fleet of enemy ships, who promptly destroyed my cerberus with T2 fitting, as this was not of my own doing, can i please have the ship and fitting back?
thnx'
this isn't even a lie, my corpmate actually did warp us into an enemy fleet and we even held on nicely for a min or 2 untill he ran away and i was destroyed
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Hydraxian
Gallente
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:41:00 -
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Dear CCP
Today i flew my officer fitted Smartbomb fitted megathron into a ASCN blob and got blown up, can i have it back?
Regards
Hydraxian
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