All im saying is let people know that plans have changed. we can only prep for what were given. If they suddenly said fuel blocks would be made entirely of soil and exotic dancers and was beign switched over tomorrow, people would be pretty annoyed.

I think your missing the point. The tax price will increase as the market price increases so it will always be % of market price. If you have to pay 10% tax per import and 10% tax per export, then even if you only do export -> import -> export -> import -> export, you pay 50% overall tax by the time you reach the high level materials, regardless of sale price.

you pay 50% overall tax by the time you reach the high level materials, regardless of sale price.

Not to mention the fact that PI is finally developing from what was at best a niche industry into something that matters, something worth... (wait for it)... fighting over.

Give it time, the prices will rise and so will your profits
There only low at the moment because players are getting rid of their stock.

yes true point

i dont think anyone is fighting over it as we speak, but once corps and such work out what they can earn they might just start to fight over it, also im quite sure that this kind of warfair will be something small corps and alliances get in to. we wont have huge alliances (0.0 ones like mine) getting involed in 0.0 or low sec wars for this stuff, its just not worth it and pratical when you have your own space.


tbh all this patch has done to PI is made it less profitable to do in high-sec which imo is exactily they way it should be
there should be no major profit unless there is some level of risk (there higher the more profit)

thumbs up for the PI changes they are a good change that will bring a bit of fun for years to come

Give it time, the prices will rise and so will your profits
There only low at the moment because players are getting rid of their stock.

I'm sorry, but customs offices have so little HP, 2 dreads can knock one out in about 10 minutes. Its not that much of a grind.

I think your missing the point. The tax price will increase as the market price increases so it will always be % of market price. If you have to pay 10% tax per import and 10% tax per export, then even if you only do export -> import -> export -> import -> export, you pay 50% overall tax by the time you reach the high level materials, regardless of sale price.

Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value.

* This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011

Stupid question. Are taxes actually going to be re-evaluated on a periodic basis? All I was able to find on the matter was this in the evelopedia article:

This doesn't mention any further increases to the seed values of the PI goods and if that isn't happening the taxes wouldn't increase either. Does anyone have a source that says if/how often tax seed amount are being reset that I may have overlooked?

I think you are rather stupid.

If I export -> import -> export -> import -> export and I sell the item for 1 mil ISK and paid 500k ISK taxes thats 50%. If I sell the same item for 2 mil ISK and paid the same 500k ISK tak thats 25%.

Explain to me how in the hell the taxes are going to know exactly what I am going to sell my item for so the taxes can be 50%?

Reread what you posted



Yeah I don't think the game charges you 50% taxes no matter the sales price dumbass!

I call troll or idiot, but I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

I was pretty much done with this thread, just wanted to get the convo going, but have to respond to trolls. If you read the patch notes the % used to be based on a fixed figures but will now be based on market price. Periodically they will update this to reflect market changes. This means if you raise market price of PI items, you will raise the tax.

Remember as well guys, that nto all PI is sold directly for profit. A large amount of my PI goes directly into pos fuel, which now costs a massive amount to run. PI used to be a small portion of my POS fuel costs, but now its overtaking the cost of isotopes just to produce it.

As for the conflict, who the hell is running around shooting at customs offices to start a conflict?
If a squad big enough to shoot down a customs offices jumps into system, you should be fighting them anyway.

Moan

Seriously... What the hell...
Prices have been raised to ridiculous levels, and to top it off, we have to spend 3 billion years destroying the old customs offices now as CCP decided not to remove them like they promised!

Now its basically impossible to make any sort of cash from PI.

CCP, when making price changes, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bear in mind that sometimes you pay multiple fees. Its not possible to produce everything on one planet, so with multiple export and import fees being done along production, even the best laid out planet structures are costing nearly 50% in tax by the time you reach the final product.

I know PI used to be low risk high profit, but chucking a 200x multiplier (yes folks, 200x, not 200%) on taxes is a bit overboard!