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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/11/2006 16:51:57 Bear with me, this is just a crazy thought I had a minute ago. Currently, people complain that there is no reason to go to low sec. There have been all sorts of radical ideas tossed around, like moving all level 4s to low sec and so on. Of course, the mission runners complain because honestly, low sec is more dangerous even than 0.0 in many cases. So here's the crazy idea... make low sec more profitable than 0.0. It fits in perfectly with the risk vs reward concept and would revitalize piracy as a whole (even with 0km warp) because people would have reason to actually mine the belts or kill the NPCs: they wouldn't solely go to low sec because of autopilot. Am I crazy? Or might this actually work? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:55:00 - [2] Hehe when i saw that Dark Shikari was making a EvE suggestion post i was quite opimistic, because....well its Dark Shikari! But to be honest I like the move agents to low sec idea, and im a lvl 4 mission runner! ficti0n
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Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:58:00 - [4] Purely out of interest. Why would anyone go to 0.0 if low-sec was more profitable? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:58:00 - [5] You're crazy... Just had to do it And by making lowsec more profitable than 0.0, you will increase the pirates in those regions, and fewer people will go into them. 0.0 is only safe because of alliance control. Not to long ago, if you went into Pure Blind (before NEC calmed things a bit), you would see pirates everywhere. The can bubble you, they can gank you on both sides of a gate, and they can chase you through multiple systems. At least in lowsec, pirates are stuck in one system unless they can tank the sentry guns. If an alliance controls space, less pirates will go there because of the organized resistance that you don't find in lowsec. If you want more people in lowsec and 0.0, remove all empire-based ice fields. Alliances buy most of their ice from macro miners, who are keeping prices low. If prices go up, fewer POSes will be launched due to cost of operation, less space will be claimed, and more people will move out.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon If you want more people in lowsec and 0.0, remove all empire-based ice fields. Alliances buy most of their ice from macro miners, who are keeping prices low. If prices go up, fewer POSes will be launched due to cost of operation, less space will be claimed, and more people will move out. i'd say: hi-sec icefields ... but i like this idea ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 13/11/2006 16:59:53 It might work, but the problem is that CCP cannot control who goes there. The current problem is that empire-dwellers aren't motivated to take a chance, either in lowsec or 0.0, but making lowsec "more profitable" attracts all players, not just empire dwellers. In the end, the result will probably be alliances moving in / expanding their areas to adjacent lowsec systems. That means more combat / chances for the pirates to have prey, but it's not the kind of prey they're looking for, probably, and the empire dwellers will stay in empire still.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:00:00 - [8] to be honest - remove spud from 0.0 and put it in low sec. That will bring in the numbers wanting to mine. To be honest, Spud really is a low sec ore, and not a 0.0 one. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Purely out of interest. Why would anyone go to 0.0 if low-sec was more profitable? Your own refinery with 0% tax, sovreigntiy etc etc? -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari make low sec more profitable than 0.0 Then what would be the reason to go to 0.0? No, I think moving all lvl4 agents to low-sec/0.0 and have more missions around belts, stations and gates would be the best solution. Alternatively, the simplified probing might have the same effect. And I'm saying this both as a pirate and a lvl4 mission runner... --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions The Game - You just lost it

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Purely out of interest. Why would anyone go to 0.0 if low-sec was more profitable? Because low sec will be filled with pirates -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Elve Sorrow Purely out of interest. Why would anyone go to 0.0 if low-sec was more profitable? Because low sec will be filled with pirates No, alliances would just claim low-sec systems instead, and since 95% of EVE's pirates are clueless morons they'd be kicked out in about 2 days. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:11:00 - [13] Isn't low-sec already more profitable? - Higher Quality agents. - Better Ore/Minerals. Or do you mean make it more profitable over its current levels? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/11/2006 17:12:25 Originally by: Elve Sorrow No, alliances would just claim low-sec systems instead Hmmph. Good point. Though the lack of bubbles, etc in low sec might hinder them. Originally by: FireFoxx80 Isn't low-sec already more profitable? - Higher Quality agents. - Better Ore/Minerals. Or do you mean make it more profitable over its current levels? Low sec more profitable than 0.0 was my nutcase idea. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:16:00 - [15] I like the idea. Right now, I have very little cash because I just bought a new ship and a ton of skills. There's no way I want to get in a tussle right now, especially since I don't have the scratch to ransom my pod. It's high-sec for me for the moment. When I'm ready for it, I'll be more than happy to go into lowsec, especially if I have a chance of significantly increasing my returns for the risk. To me, that's the way to do it. Carebears should be allowed to sit in highsec. Those who are wanting to run some risks can then go into lowsec and make their rewards. The only real question that needs settled is just how much more profitable does it need to be down there? Also, what are the odds of a successful attack by a pirate? The better your chance of escaping, the more likely a carebear will go down there. That will give the pirates more chance to make a kill while the carebears are still feeling that the trade-off is worth it. From my perspective, losing the ship isn't the worst risk to run, it's losing the pod. I can always fly a ship I can afford to lose into a dangerous area. If I lose my pod, though, that's a lot of implants to replace. Maybe enhanced pods could be a new item to sell in the game, perhaps one that has war stabs equipped to allow for escape? Maybe give it a 1 or 2 rating so it can escape single or paired rats but would still allow a gang to nail the target -- in that case, the gang gets the reward for having so many people together but the target can still escape single encounters. The thing is, pirate victims aren't playing the game just so they can be targets. A pirate should have to work just as hard to nail a carebear as the carebear worked to put his ship together.
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:18:00 - [16] actually, it would work, and not a bad idea, TBH. I mean, what's the difference between killing a player in low sec compared to no-sec? Security loss. So players who are in 0.0 are already risking more, not only their ship, but their ability to go to high sec space. Risk Vs. reward should favor low sec, as it has the same risks are no sec, but more penalties.
Arushia Nova Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:19:00 - [17] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Isn't low-sec already more profitable? - Higher Quality agents. - Better Ore/Minerals. Or do you mean make it more profitable over its current levels? Not more profitable than 0.0, and not enough more profitable than 0.5 to justify the risk. Especially for mining purposes. Better Zydrine yield from Jaspet would help, and replace Kernite in Minmatar low-sec with something that doesn't spawn in Amarr high-sec.
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:22:00 - [18] Make low sec more profitable than it currently is but not more profitable than 0.0 low sec is still empire space, 0.0 is unclaimed and dangerous territory, the only reason low sec is currently more dangerous is that there are greater number per system of empire than 0.0, so there are more clueless carebears, and more ebil pirates
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/11/2006 17:31:09 Why not let the empires depend more on low sec ? At the moment low sec has not much use, except being a rather uninteresting alternative to high sec. If you remove lowsec altogether, everything would be still fine for the rest of EVE. CCP could put resources into low sec that are vital to the economy in high-sec. Like nobody gathering resources in low sec, prices go up, economy suffers. Trades between the empires could also be strengthened in a similar way. The 4 'empires' could differ more in the distribution of resources for example. Maybe building caldari ships in caldari space could be more cost-efficient than in Minmatar space and such things, that would strengthen inter-empire trading even more. Those both things would be an incentive to enter low sec to gather resources and to trade between empires even more. And to secure it. There would be more targets for pirates, but those targets had a harder time, because high-sec folk really had a strong motivation to keep criminality in low-sec low. They'd organize some military/police themselves, pay bounty hunters etc. because secure low sec = high profit. I believe it would be a lot more fun than now, where low sec is rather pointless. /edit **** edited too wild
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:26:00 - [20] Well, this idea might not work, but I like the intentions behind it. Keep thinking. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Donna Darko	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:30:00 - [21] If you try to make low sec more profitable than 0.0, alliances will move there instead of still claiming 0.0 space. And suddenly you ARE going to see low sec crawling with pirates, since everyone has an NBSI policy and will kill every noob venturing in their system. Low security as it is now is not ôworseö than 0.0, in my opinion: if you fly something bigger than a frigate, you wonÆt worry about the frigate/assault frigate/interceptor/destroyer near the gate. Gate camps consist mainly of snipers, which makes it possible for certain ships to go through. I will agree that low sec has to be made a lot more profitable and I agree level 4s should be moved there. Stories.
Silver Bird Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:33:00 - [22] I would like to see the following happen. Move high quality level 3 and 4 agents to low sec Cut the amount of ore in high sec roids based on security levels. Increased the amount of ore in low sec roids based on the secuity level. No +.7 roid should have enough ore for one strip miner cycle. (I have bot checked this recently to see if this is still acurate)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:35:00 - [23] So essentially you add another X regions of npc sovereignty 0.0 space to the mix ? Wouldnt that end up with alot of the boring station camping we all left behind with the introduction of conquerable stations ? After all, large groups of cooperative players > pirates. Move the wealth to low sec, and the groups will follow. Instead, low sec empire should simply remain the intermediate risk place it is (intermediate on a group level, not neccesarily on an individual level), but be graced with some unique resources that are part of integrated production chains. Preferably resources that do not involve instances or semi-afk POS management to extract. Old blog
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Silver Bird I would like to see the following happen. Move high quality level 3 and 4 agents to low sec Cut the amount of ore in high sec roids based on security levels. Increased the amount of ore in low sec roids based on the secuity level. No +.7 roid should have enough ore for one strip miner cycle. (I have bot checked this recently to see if this is still acurate) /signed and add "tie sell orders to corp offices". --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:48:00 - [25] Edited by: Godar Marak on 13/11/2006 17:49:55 Originally by: Elve Sorrow 95% of EVE's pirates are clueless morons they'd be kicked out in about 2 days. They would only be 'kicked out' because theres more isk to grind when you have your own refinery etc. Thus you could afford more. And as far as morons go, the fan fest stream prooved you have one of the biggest morons in all of EVE. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:02:00 - [26] Dont move all good agents to low sec. Dont force people to have to go there. Make it so they want to go there because it is worth it. It currently isnt worth it. Give them a good amount of quality agents in a good number of systems. Dont concentrate agents in 1 system. Migrate some of the mid-range ore from 0.0 to low sec. Enable corps that gain really good standing with empires to run pos at lower costs and to have a refine and tax possibility on par or very close to that of their 0.0 counterparts. Increase the efficiency and reduce the tax at low sec stations. This includes a lower tax (to almost no tax) for selling stuff on the market in low sec. Everything that NPCs sell should be cheaper on low sec markets to encourage people to buy from there. The futher the NPC is from high sec the lower the price. Mainly dont concentrate everything in 1 or 2 low sec systems. Spread everything out. So the better ore isnt in just 1 or 2 systems per region, it is in every low sec system of similar level. One of the problems now that makes low sec so much more dangerous, is that the only real valuable resource is quality agents, and CCP put them in only a handful of systems.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 13/11/2006 17:49:55 Originally by: Elve Sorrow 95% of EVE's pirates are clueless morons they'd be kicked out in about 2 days. They would only be 'kicked out' because theres more isk to grind when you have your own refinery etc. Thus you could afford more. And as far as morons go, the fan fest stream prooved you have one of the biggest morons in all of EVE. Yes, i think ill go and apologise for the actions of some idiot who i dont know for something that i dont even know the details about. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:16:00 - [28] Edited by: Godar Marak on 13/11/2006 18:18:49 Edited by: Godar Marak on 13/11/2006 18:18:12 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Yes, i think ill go and apologise for the actions of some idiot who i dont know for something that i dont even know the details about. Unlike the low sec pirates should apolagise to you for being 'morons' right? edit : You say you dont know about it, well there not that much to know. Basically he behaved like your average alliance minion/muppet. Kinda like you did in the 2nd post of yours I quoted. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
stoats Another Lame Corp	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:22:00 - [29] Make low sec worth being in and it will be populated by people who aren't either nub, or crazy. It will also provide some good fights as people try to keep their systems (worth being in, zomg!) clear of those ebil pirates.
Ingols	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:36:00 - [30] Two Words Gate camps. Explaination. I havn't seen anybody who's ever come up with a suggestion to get more people into Lowsec, do it out of the kindness of their heart. Everybody suggesting changes to induce more people into Lowsec are doing it for their own agenda. Players don't mind getting run down in a asteroid field or complex, or Similar POI because at least they had a chance. Players do mind jump-in gate camps because they really have absolutely no chance unless they have a specific type of fitting that really doesn't match what the player wants to be doing. Eve is not corporate-centric or alliance-centric enough. There isn't enough negative reprecussions to piracy (like permanant security loss) and there aren't enough safe points in 0.0 to even bother with that aspect of the game.



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