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Van Dracon Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.05.22 05:42:24 - [1] - Quote Is this some sort of a joke. 1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up. I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills). Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong. I would like to read up on your experience feedback please.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 722	Posted - 2015.05.22 05:56:01 - [2] - Quote Yes, the Prospect doesn't have a drone bay, however I'm not sure a flight of light drones is going to be all that effective against the group of sleepers that warp in. I also mine gas in wormholes, typically shattered holes which can spawn all types of gas and up to C5/6 rats. What I do to overcome the limited defence is scan down 4-5 gas sites and then warp to the one that will have the C320 and C540 gas. Huff as much as I can before the rats spawn. That usually gets me about 2500 cu.m of either gas. Then I warp to the next site and huff the most valuable of the available gas. Rinse and repeat when the rats spawn. Avoiding the rats and harvesting from multiple sites nets me around 70 million ISK worth of gas per ore hold load, assuming I including C320 or C540. The other option I use is to clear out the easier sites in the shattered hole when the rats spawn and then clear the field. The rats in the Vital Perimeter sites though will alpha a Confessor from 100km, so I just move on when they spawn. I generally like the shattered holes that only allow frigates and destroyers inside because defence can be planned very effectively and no one can live in the shattered holes so they are often empty. The larger ore hold and covops cloak of the Prospect wins out for me over the WCS of the Venture and its drones. It allows me to mine more and move effectively through other holes to an exit when needed. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1032	Posted - 2015.05.22 05:58:18 - [3] - Quote Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up. I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills). Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong. I would like to read up on your experience feedback please. You can't kill sleeper rats in a Venture with your two light drones. You would die quite quickly. So, yes, you are limited to 15-20 minutes of gas harvesting before the rats arrive without assistance to clear the sleepers. That is just the life of a ninja gas miner. Whether the increased ore hold and the safety of the covert cloak are worth it over the the Venture is up to you. However, the gas bonus and large hold makes fitting out a battlecruiser or whatever with gas harvesters a poor idea and no one does it anymore. Stick to one of the mining frigates and either move on, bring a friend to clear the rats, or come back in a combat ship and do it yourself.
Miles Parabellum Zealots of Bob 53	Posted - 2015.05.22 06:17:37 - [4] - Quote I must admit, given the large difference in price and the small difference in performance, I have no idea why anybody would use a prospect. If one of you guys can enlighten me, that would be nice. Of course, I also tend to AFK gasmine with no implants (only once come back to the game, sitting in a station).
Kashadin Big Johnson's 28	Posted - 2015.05.22 06:20:37 - [5] - Quote I think the biggest thing against the prospect is that it is way more expensive than the venture, personally the fact that I can replace like 5 ventures for the price of the cov-ops cloak that the prospect uses over innate stabs that the venture gets is the main reason I would use the venture. Unless the price of the Prospect comes down a ton, the price point is going to hold the Prospect back form being a good choice for WH gas mining.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 723	Posted - 2015.05.22 06:36:49 - [6] - Quote Each to their own I guess. I prefer the Prospect for ninja mining in both J-Space and sov null (I also use mining barges to ninja mine in sov null and prefer them where possible). In j-space the covops cloak allows me to move through chains more effectively than I could in a Venture and the double sized ore hold means fewer trips back to drop gas off. In sov null, the cloak makes it much quicker to stop and restart mining if a neutral enters system. I can cloak in position and wait, then decloak and mine again. Having to warp to a safe in a mining barge becomes tiring. I haven't lost a Prospect yet, so cost is irrelevant at this point. I build them, but 18 million ISK is not something I worry about. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Miles Parabellum Zealots of Bob 53	Posted - 2015.05.22 07:00:46 - [7] - Quote Assuming all relevant skills at level 5, what is the practical difference in the mining speed? Is it only the cov ops cloak and larger hold which separate the two ships?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37471	Posted - 2015.05.22 07:07:14 - [8] - Quote Miles Parabellum wrote: Assuming all relevant skills at level 5, what is the practical difference in the mining speed? Is it only the cov ops cloak and larger hold which separate the two ships? +25% mining yield from the expedition frigate bonuses (the other mining bonuses also being mirrored on the Venture) Prospect Ship Bonuses: Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Mining yield 5% reduction in Gas Cloud Harvesting duration Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Mining yield 5% reduction in ship signature radius Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Mining and Gas Cloud Harvesting yield 100% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator GÇó Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Navy Jackal University of Caille Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.05.22 07:33:44 - [9] - Quote With 2 miner laser upgrades and 2 miner lasers II Expedition Frigate IV skill would give me exactly 15 minutes to fill 10 000 m3 cargo hold in Prospect. At least according to EFT. So when rats come - I would be full anyway.
Brutus Utama Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 31	Posted - 2015.05.22 07:47:55 - [10] - Quote Prospect has a Covert Cloak.... i dont think you fully understand how useful this is.... 2 light drones wont do anything in a WH against either a player or the rats your better to run.... i would prefer using the prospect larger bay bigger bonus's and as i said a cov ops cloak... You see someone on Dscan... you cloak... now they cant find you....can be useful when you need to run away with a hold full of gas

Elinarien Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2015.05.22 08:21:10 - [11] - Quote Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up. I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills). Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong. I would like to read up on your experience feedback please. The prospect has a far better tank (when fitted) that allows you to gtfo when sleepers turn up. I also survived being jumped by a stealth bomber in a WH a couple of weeks back - was able to soak the damage whilst my higher top speed allowed me to get outside the range of his scrambler and then warp off. All in all I love the little ship. As for the high slots - just fit one miner. Sometimes not everything is about yield.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37471	Posted - 2015.05.22 08:25:07 - [12] - Quote Elinarien wrote: The prospect has a far better tank (when fitted) that allows you to gtfo when sleepers turn up. I also survived being jumped by a stealth bomber in a WH a couple of weeks back - was able to soak the damage whilst my higher top speed allowed me to get outside the range of his scrambler and then warp off. All in all I love the little ship. Yeah, you get the sig radius bonus too, so torps aren't all that effective against it with good skills. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Mithandra Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 262	Posted - 2015.05.22 11:11:46 - [13] - Quote Ninja gas mining in a prospect. I love it. The isk prints itself. Don't need no stinking drones. Jump into a wh, scan the gas sites, warp in to the first one, you've got maybe 20 minutes before the rats spawn, when they do you'll be glad you have the prospect. warp off to the next one, rinse repeat. Instrumental gas sites with a group of prospects... mmmm Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Stacy Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2015.05.22 11:28:56 - [14] - Quote It is called "ninja" gas mining for a reason. You don't fight the sleepers. 2 light drones from a venture won't even scratch a sleeper. So they are absolutely irrelevant. The propect brings - twice the ore hold - 25% more gas mining yield - a covert ops cloak, which is insanely useful in wspace - significatly more tank then a venture - an even lower signature radius It has 4 low slots, so if you fit 2 warp core stabs you still have 2 low slots free. This means that using a prospect gives you more fitting options then using a venture. I go with a haccking/scanning char which scans down the sites and hacks them, while my prospect does the gas sites. Granted, you need a depot to bring a cloak and a probe launcher, but you have the same limitation on the venture. If the price concerns you, you are doing something wrong. You can not loose a prospect unless you are making mistakes or think that you can AFK mine in a wh. I have not lost a single propect yet, and I'm flying one since few days they came out. I still have that first one. And even a propect pays off with just one gas site.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 420	Posted - 2015.05.22 11:46:59 - [15] - Quote Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3105	Posted - 2015.05.22 12:24:03 - [16] - Quote GankYou wrote: Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :) If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ... ... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it ................. <===== I wished my bra was green as well - 1024x1024
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 421	Posted - 2015.05.22 12:35:05 - [17] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: GankYou wrote: Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :) You owe me a Council Diplomatic Shuttle and my attach+¬ diplomat mister 1400mm Howitzer II in Rens shall get in touch with you shortly. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 655	Posted - 2015.05.22 12:48:18 - [18] - Quote So gas mining on your own in a prospect in a WH isn't working out. Solutions: - Find a ship that does allow you to do this on your own (according to your post there are cruiser hulls that fit the bill) - Find another person to tag along and take care of the rats My reply assumes that you want to harvest gas in a WH. If your post is purely about the Prospect not doing what you want, you can ignore this reply. Supers haven't done what I want for yeas now. My Drake and Hurricane are also dead in the water.
Solstice Punk Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 0	Posted - 2015.05.22 13:32:36 - [19] - Quote GankYou wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: GankYou wrote: Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :) You owe me a Council Diplomatic Shuttle and my attach+¬ diplomat mister 1400mm Howitzer II in Rens shall get in touch with you shortly. Bring it ! BRING IT ! YOU THINK YOU'RE THE FIRST I STOMPED INTO THE GROUND ? THE FIRST WHO HIDES IN STATION FROM A LITTLE THRASHER ??? BRING IT ! I DOUBLEDOGDARE YOU !! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!! Also ..... Hek. Not Rens. HEK ! THE SHITTIEST AND MOST BORING PLACE TO BE !
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 372	Posted - 2015.05.22 13:52:15 - [20] - Quote Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up. I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills). Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong. I would like to read up on your experience feedback please. Don't play solo.

Ginger Yume Haggis Humpers Gate Camp Theory 3	Posted - 2015.05.22 18:00:23 - [21] - Quote The major bonus is the double-sized ore hold. If you are ninja mining, that means after you scan down the 3-4 gas sites in a hole, you can take a chunk of all of them before having to go home.
Delegate Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2015.05.22 20:53:32 - [22] - Quote Most solo miners go with venture. AB/nano venture is arguably most difficult to gank unless you have dictor. Prospect will bring more attention and it will die to a properly fit bomber.
Newt BlackCompany BlackCompany Personal Corp 46	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:36:46 - [23] - Quote You are doing it wrong. 1. Ninja the gas sites for 15-20 minutes with your prospect. With an instrumental site that will give you about 30M worth of gas. 2. When the sleepers arrive, leave and reship into a T3 or a ishtar (or whatever really...) 3. When the sleepers are dead, loot/salvage them (another 25M or so) 4. Reship and return with your prospect and suck gas. An instrumental site is worth about 400M total, and takes a few hours to clear with one prospect. Just remember to dscan a lot. Wholers love to catch a sleepy prospect pilot. But, if you are paying attention, you will be VERY hard to catch.
Brian Harrelstein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 30	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:09:13 - [24] - Quote Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre.
permion Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 19	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:23:31 - [25] - Quote Last time I was in a shattered WH I stayed for a couple of days in my astero, since it gave bonuses that benefited my armor and it was fun soloing for a while. Seriously the place had 33+ signatures in it on some days. 3 were sites I cared about, around 5 or 6 WH's, and the rest all gas.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 296	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:14:54 - [26] - Quote The Prospects weapon is its covert cloak
Tomb Ovaert Redshield Holding Company 0	Posted - 2015.06.11 10:49:05 - [27] - Quote Brian Harrelstein wrote: Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre. Cloak + MWD trick bru.
Verlyn Brink's Bar Adirainia 38	Posted - 2015.06.11 11:17:35 - [28] - Quote Gassers. Lol.
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 0	Posted - 2015.06.15 06:39:56 - [29] - Quote what you know about prospect...
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 526	Posted - 2015.06.15 11:03:58 - [30] - Quote Yodik wrote: Violet Crumble wrote: Huff as much as I can before the rats spawn. Black Pedro wrote: you are limited to 15-20 minutes of gas harvesting before the rats arrive Mithandra wrote: you've got maybe 20 minutes before the rats spawn Newt BlackCompany wrote: 1. Ninja the gas sites for 15-20 minutes with your prospect. With an instrumental site that will give you about 30M worth of gas. 2. When the sleepers arrive, leave and reship into a T3 or a ishtar (or whatever really...) what you know about prospect... http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BR0u5rzCUAMNfCK.jpg:large ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]

Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1105	Posted - 2015.06.15 11:41:21 - [31] - Quote I'm running a mining link gnosis with 2 prospects for 25k m-¦ total and linked cycles, the Gnosis just drops a few k m-¦ each run for the prospects :D The 10k m-¦ gas hold is totally worth the premium. And the 1mil for a venture or 15 for a prospect, that's not a price difference you can use as a good basis, given the cheapest possible fit is already 8mil for the venture and ~11mil for the prospect. So realistically: A 10mil venture with a 5k hold or a 25mil prospect with a 10k hold that doesn't care for sabres and scouts for your gnosis. Hardly a hard choice.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 248	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:17:38 - [32] - Quote And...OP...you didn't know all this before you began training? I survived Win95
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 526	Posted - 2015.06.15 13:15:40 - [33] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: I'm running a mining link gnosis with 2 prospects for 25k m-¦ total and linked cycles, the Gnosis just drops a few k m-¦ each run for the prospects :D The 10k m-¦ gas hold is totally worth the premium. And the 1mil for a venture or 15 for a prospect, that's not a price difference you can use as a good basis, given the cheapest possible fit is already 8mil for the venture and ~11mil for the prospect. So realistically: A 10mil venture with a 5k hold or a 25mil prospect with a 10k hold that doesn't care for sabres and scouts for your gnosis. Hardly a hard choice. For a starting pilot, the Venture is more cost-efficient, but yes - one should eventually be upgrading to the Prospect. It would appear, Mr Dracon wasn't quite ready for such an upgrade. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 110	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:30:21 - [34] - Quote It's sad that thing doesn't have an exhumer like additional gas mining bonus.
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1309	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:44:39 - [35] - Quote Tomb Ovaert wrote: Brian Harrelstein wrote: Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre. Cloak + MWD trick bru. Gas Miner II range is 1500m. Decloak range is 2000m. Good luck cloaking while within decloak range of the gas cloud. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Mysa Alekhine's Gun The Periphery 41	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:57:22 - [36] - Quote Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 1 - "leveling" SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 526	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:59:56 - [37] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Tomb Ovaert wrote: Brian Harrelstein wrote: Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre. Cloak + MWD trick bru. Gas Miner II range is 1500m. Decloak range is 2000m. Good luck cloaking while within decloak range of the gas cloud. While traveling, of course. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Hipqo Project AIice Whatever. 126	Posted - 2015.06.15 15:05:16 - [38] - Quote If you fit the prospect with ECCM, you can make it almost impossible to scan down, (requires full scanning skills and implants to get 100%) you can warp cloaked anywhere, you harvest gas slightly faster and you have twice the ore hold of the venture. Whats not to like lol? A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 10:52:49 - [39] - Quote one more old videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84LvbWaXKzY&list=PL9vf9h-pclqVPTnGxeP2hHpU-E4GNmI0F&index=2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYvW0qTj3hg&list=PL9vf9h-pclqVPTnGxeP2hHpU-E4GNmI0F&index=1 do not try repeat it home
Vulpecula Borealis Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.06.16 11:20:40 - [40] - Quote Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure Yes. This is pretty bad. It should have a flight of small drones. Even for ninjamining in lowsec or nullsec, it's not good. Your only defence is the cloak.

Yodik Dwarfed ORE 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 11:30:38 - [41] - Quote Vulpecula Borealis wrote: Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure Yes. This is pretty bad. It should have a flight of small drones. Even for ninjamining in lowsec or nullsec, it's not good. Your only defence is the cloak. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5821198#post5821198
Anthar Thebess 1083	Posted - 2015.06.16 11:32:05 - [42] - Quote One can point and light covert cyno Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 737	Posted - 2015.06.16 11:42:21 - [43] - Quote Yodik wrote: Vulpecula Borealis wrote: Van Dracon wrote: Is this some sort of a joke. 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure Yes. This is pretty bad. It should have a flight of small drones. Even for ninjamining in lowsec or nullsec, it's not good. Your only defence is the cloak. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5821198#post5821198 I'm glad that approach works for you. Looking at your killboard, you have quite a few Prospect losses, which is clearly no problem since I bet you're making more ISK than the ship and fit is worth anyway. Being targeted by the rats prevents you from activating your covops cloak when other players arrive on grid. Each to their own and clearly as you show, there's more than one way to go about it. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 11:55:04 - [44] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: I'm glad that approach works for you. Looking at your killboard, you have quite a few Prospect losses, which is clearly no problem since I bet you're making more ISK than the ship and fit is worth anyway. Being targeted by the rats prevents you from activating your covops cloak when other players arrive on grid. Each to their own and clearly as you show, there's more than one way to go about it. there is 90% garantee, that no one come for loosing their battleship by sleepers, for now.
Nicholas Kirk GFL Gentlemen's.Parlor 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:42:08 - [45] - Quote Miles Parabellum wrote: I must admit, given the large difference in price and the small difference in performance, I have no idea why anybody would use a prospect. If one of you guys can enlighten me, that would be nice. Of course, I also tend to AFK gasmine with no implants (only once come back to the game, sitting in a station). this I took one look at it and the skills involved and it came down to this no extra mining boosts and ventures are pretty hard to catch as is when gas mining WHs Prospect is a failure
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:44:35 - [46] - Quote Nicholas Kirk wrote: [quote=Miles Parabellum] Prospect is a failure +1, dont waste your time.
Victor Emmanuel Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective 5	Posted - 2015.06.16 22:52:05 - [47] - Quote Do the sleepers respawn after you clear a gas site? Can the armor repped/speed tanked prospect tank frigate sized sleepers?
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 1	Posted - 2015.06.17 09:08:30 - [48] - Quote Victor Emmanuel wrote: Do the sleepers respawn after you clear a gas site? Can the armor repped/speed tanked prospect tank frigate sized sleepers? nope
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 533	Posted - 2015.06.17 11:04:11 - [49] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: One can point and light covert cyno Don't tell sekrets. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Nevil Oscillator 206	Posted - 2015.06.17 16:28:01 - [50] - Quote Anyone wanna buy some C540 ?

Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 38250	Posted - 2015.06.17 16:36:40 - [51] - Quote Nicholas Kirk wrote: no extra mining boosts and ventures are pretty hard to catch as is when gas mining WHs There is additional mining bonuses for a Prospect over the Venture. Up to +25% mining yield. The reduction in sig radius is also a nice bonus. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Moac Tor Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation 92	Posted - 2015.06.17 18:04:16 - [52] - Quote The Prospect is a different ship in many ways. I would favour the venture for some activities and the prospect for others. A venture can't jump through a covert jump portal and fit a covert ops cloak though so that is a big difference right there. Also if you are using drones to defend yourself your doing it wrong, on both the ships their sig radius is their best defence, and the prospect wins hands down in that regard.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13457	Posted - 2015.06.17 18:31:06 - [53] - Quote I honestly cannot imagine anyone complaining about the Prospect. That ship is totally nuts, especially for stealing gas. Yeah, it doesn't have drones or guns, but it absolutely does not need them. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Freya Sertan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2015.06.17 19:28:05 - [54] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I honestly cannot imagine anyone complaining about the Prospect. That ship is totally nuts, especially for stealing gas. Yeah, it doesn't have drones or guns, but it absolutely does not need them. Seriously. I fly a Prospect on my indy character and it is insane. Covops cloak, gas hoovering, stupid fast align time, great yield on mining and a big ass ore bay. You don't need drones when you can cloak and GTFO. New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13459	Posted - 2015.06.17 21:05:04 - [55] - Quote Freya Sertan wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I honestly cannot imagine anyone complaining about the Prospect. That ship is totally nuts, especially for stealing gas. Yeah, it doesn't have drones or guns, but it absolutely does not need them. Seriously. I fly a Prospect on my indy character and it is insane. Covops cloak, gas hoovering, stupid fast align time, great yield on mining and a big ass ore bay. You don't need drones when you can cloak and GTFO. Exactly. What are two light drones going to save you from in wormhole space? A newbie ship? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance 18621	Posted - 2015.06.17 21:34:45 - [56] - Quote Mining gas is only just slightly more fun than mining ice. ...and mining ice almost makes ripping your own toenails out with a pair of pliers seem pleasant.
Nevil Oscillator 206	Posted - 2015.06.17 21:43:27 - [57] - Quote I quite often put ECM drones on my probe, I've yet to be in a situation where I have launched them but in the event I am attacked by something that takes more than 5 seconds to kill a probe I will know there is someone out there as brave as me.
Freya Sertan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 188	Posted - 2015.06.17 23:15:07 - [58] - Quote Eurydia Vespasian wrote: Mining gas is only just slightly more fun than mining ice. ...and mining ice almost makes ripping your own toenails out with a pair of pliers seem pleasant. Mining gas in a C6 wormhole with known activity in local is ANYTHING but boring. ANYTHING. New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Yodik Dwarfed ORE 4	Posted - 2015.07.13 23:18:24 - [59] - Quote i'm terribly sorry
Flakey Foont 241	Posted - 2015.07.13 23:48:47 - [60] - Quote I love threads where guy says "I trained x months for x ship and then found out it has no x." Like that info is not available before you trained. Yeah 2 light drones will save you......



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