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Sparky De Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:34:40 - [1] - Quote I aim to be a bomber, so my priority is setting up a training plan for that. Now in the mean time what can I do? I don't really have many skills that would allow me to do much. Where sec shall I do L1 missions for security to generate a decent income? What else can I do in the mean time with the current basic skills? Any help would be lovely!
Tao Dolcino Red Resistance 351	Posted - 2015.05.23 15:06:48 - [2] - Quote One possibility : To train for Stealth Bombers, you need Frigate V in the race of your choice. It's also opening the way to Assault Frigates, with which you can complete level 1 to 3 missions. Against all imperialism
Sparky De Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.23 15:14:55 - [3] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: One possibility : To train for Stealth Bombers, you need Frigate V in the race of your choice. It's also opening the way to Assault Frigates, with which you can complete level 1 to 3 missions. Well now, that is a good idea. Would missiles be ideal for Assault Frigs or should I learn another weapon skill?
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 278	Posted - 2015.05.23 15:31:58 - [4] - Quote Background: I played for over 2 years in just about frigates only Disclaimer: You can do missions in frigates Personal conclusion: You would be better off financially quicker if you at least get a t2 fit cruiser or bc fit then specialize. Narrative: I flew frigates for a long time, I made enough to pay for my frigate losses with some exploration and pvp drops with some missions for standings and lp. When I decided to try flying bigger ships, the income level I had was very inadequate to support losses. I had to burn skills on bigger ships, then farm for my cash to get the bigger ships, just to get my income up to a point where losing 50-100 mil on a ships wasn't such a pain. I tried another character who just did the old recommendations to get into a l4 ship early. This character had the income of L'ouris much earlier, and so when he was skilling all those lvl 5 skills for t2 frigates and support skills he was making decent money. My personal conclusion was that my first efforts to be a pure frigate pilot first and formost set me back quite a bit for income generation needed after my second year. Tl;dr Yes you can fly frigates exclusively, you won't think it bugs you until you want to try flying bigger ships in PvP. Getting a t2 fit bc at least is pretty fast and makes more ISK while you train into your t2 frigs.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 295	Posted - 2015.05.23 15:49:55 - [5] - Quote What do you want to do with this bomber when you get there? For all practical purposes they are worthless in high sec since you cannot use the "bombs" in many situations. Remember bombs are area of affect weapons, damage anyone other than yourself, or a legitimate target and Concord will end your party quickly. While they are good with torps their low tank and other problems make them poor choices for most PvE activities in high sec. So if you want to be a bomber pilot I suggest you start by training skills to allow you to run lvl 1 through 3 missions while you do more research on the bombers. While you are doing this you need to get in touch with the low sec and nul corps / alliances to see what skills they want a bomber pilot to have, and which of the bombers they prefer you to fly.
Tao Dolcino Red Resistance 351	Posted - 2015.05.23 16:46:45 - [6] - Quote Sparky De wrote: Tao Dolcino wrote: One possibility : To train for Stealth Bombers, you need Frigate V in the race of your choice. It's also opening the way to Assault Frigates, with which you can complete level 1 to 3 missions. Well now, that is a good idea. Would missiles be ideal for Assault Frigs or should I learn another weapon skill? You could aim for a Hawk In the other hand, as Stealth Bomber, you will have to train torpedoes, so you could train for a BS Raven equiped with torpedoes (i'm no specialist of Caldari ships in level 4 missions, but it should do the job i guess). It's a longer plan than "all frigate", but it will allow you to win much more money. Against all imperialism
evotta Territorial Hanseatic League 1	Posted - 2015.05.23 17:39:33 - [7] - Quote While going for bombers, pick up assault frigates, easy to make up to lvl3 missions
Tao Dolcino Red Resistance 351	Posted - 2015.05.23 17:53:03 - [8] - Quote evotta wrote: While going for bombers, pick up assault frigates, easy to make up to lvl3 missions Because : Sparky De wrote: I aim to be a bomber Mission running is a goal for some, and for others only a way to finance their goals. Against all imperialism
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9680	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:08:36 - [9] - Quote [terrible idea] train for an astero, if you blitz train (bear minimum ) you can be sitting in one with a covops cloak in a little over a week, the requirements are amarr and gallente frigate III CPU Management IV Cloaking IV [/terrible idea] the above is a terrible idea (just in case you couldent tell) because 1) the astero is expensive for a newbro 2) blits training is a stupid idea for everything except cloaky scanner alts (there are other cases but if you dont know what they are then those too would be a stupid idea) 3) without some experience in low sec you will have it shot out from under your arse. that said this is the quickest way to get into a covops and thus opening up a lot of space for you to explore without being easy game. =]\|[=
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9680	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:12:00 - [10] - Quote L'ouris wrote: Background: I played for over 2 years in just about frigates only i have scanned you down in a fecking Golum before mate, definitely somewhat larger than a frigate =]\|[=

ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 560	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:17:21 - [11] - Quote Eve is not like other MMOs. There really is no point that you express in "aiming to be a bomber pilot". If you are aiming to be a bomber pilot as if it is some end goal instead of a means then you are really playing eve wrong and won't be here long. In eve ships are tools. You don't aim to fly a ship you aim to do a thing and the ship just happens to be the tool to do it. You might get better advice if you tell us what kind of things that you like to do and maybe we could guide you in a direction to focus your training. Your skill points aren't really holding you back from much of anything your knowledge of the game is. Don't put words into my mouth and make is seem like I'm saying skill points are useless. Skill points do help open up options for you and make many things easier to do. I'm just saying that you can do pretty much anything in this game with the skill points that you have at the end of your first 24 hours and certainly by the end of the first week. All that being said a bomber is probably the single worst ship in game for a newer pilot to focus on getting. Well cap ships in general would probably be worse but if we are talking about a specific ship it's the bomber. T2 ships in general are typically harder to fit than T1 ships and the bomber is especially bad as it has battleship class weapons and large weapons take a long time to train. Not to mention the fact that bombers are useless as actual bombers in high sec and much of low sec. Due to all of the above and more I suggest you let go of any concept of aiming for some ship with any kind of dedication or focus for now and just "play" the game. Play in the sense of trying different stuff out and just playing around and having fun while figuring out what you like to do and gaining some sense of your personal playstyle.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 560	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:23:08 - [12] - Quote If you are looking for ideas of what to try out I'll list a few: Sisters of Eve epic arc exploration low level missions Faction warfare NPSI roams high sec mission invasion join a corp that does interesting group stuff null sec belt ratting in a dessie or cruiser.
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 278	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:45:18 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: L'ouris wrote: Background: I played for over 2 years in just about frigates only i have scanned you down in a fecking Golum before mate, definitely somewhat larger than a frigate Remember that dull care bear stare? That's the fate I advise the poor new guy pass on :)
Sparky De Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.23 20:06:28 - [14] - Quote Thank you for all the replies! Will take everything that has been said into consideration. My idea of what I want to do, whether it is achievable or not I'm not sure which is why I am here. I should have put more information in the OP. Being able to pilot a bomber well is just one many goals, I don't want to just have the bare minimum skills. I will aim for Assault Frigates has many have said to help fund this goal. I can't honestly say what it is I want to do with 100% certainty as I'm sure I have no idea about a lot of things which again is why I am here. I want to raid, be part of a small team doing hit and runs. Part of a corp that won't backstab each other but will double cross those outside the corp. Now quite a few have said I should stick with Missiles and get myself a Hawk to do some L2-L3 missions. Regarding the skills, should I aim for Frigate V immediately then get my Missiles and associated skills to V? What is the best way forward? Regarding missions, I'll head now to a Sisters of EvE hub and get some going. When should I be ready for L2? How would I know? Thank you.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9680	Posted - 2015.05.23 20:45:47 - [15] - Quote Sparky De wrote: Thank you for all the replies! Will take everything that has been said into consideration. My idea of what I want to do, whether it is achievable or not I'm not sure which is why I am here. I should have put more information in the OP. Being able to pilot a bomber well is just one many goals, I don't want to just have the bare minimum skills. I will aim for Assault Frigates has many have said to help fund this goal. I can't honestly say what it is I want to do with 100% certainty as I'm sure I have no idea about a lot of things which again is why I am here. I want to raid, be part of a small team doing hit and runs. Part of a corp that won't backstab each other but will double cross those outside the corp. Now quite a few have said I should stick with Missiles and get myself a Hawk to do some L2-L3 missions. Regarding the skills, should I aim for Frigate V immediately then get my Missiles and associated skills to V? What is the best way forward? Regarding missions, I'll head now to a Sisters of EvE hub and get some going. When should I be ready for L2? How would I know? Thank you. Frigate v would be a good choice I think, though it's certainly worth training all the races and wepon systems to 3 beforehand to get a feel for what you favour. personally I'm partial to the gallente frigates , the ishkur in particular is a monstrous little thing if you know how to fly it* the navy slicer is a favourite of a lot of very very good pilots the Griffin will wipe the smile off almost anyones face as I mentioned the astero is the quickest covops train (and actually badass when fully skilled) Do play around with the various ones they have a hudge variety *think kicking battleships, t3 cruisers , marauders around the place. =]\|[=
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 560	Posted - 2015.05.24 00:12:14 - [16] - Quote What Ralph said is really good advice. Everyone has a different style in this game and there is no wrong way( I realize I said you're playing eve wrong earlier ). So definitely getting all 4 race's frig and small weapons to 3 is a good short term goal. Then you can see which ships and weapons systems fit your style. After that you can focus but if you are sticking to small ships, which is not only totally doable but according to many pilots ideal, then you can get into T2 ships and weapons pretty quick. You'll want to get your fitting and navigation skills up as well. Early on and especially once you get into T2 ships trying to find a decent fit that does not require you to use a whole bunch of rigs and module slots up on fitting enhancers is going to be challenging. But if you just start flying different ships and getting a feel for the game you won't really need anyone to tell you what to train after a while. You'll have a good idea what you want to do and what skills you need to make it happen.
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 7	Posted - 2015.05.24 01:16:55 - [17] - Quote Sparky De wrote: Regarding the skills, should I aim for Frigate V immediately then get my Missiles and associated skills to V? What is the best way forward? Normally I advise against rush to skill level 5 due to the 80/20 rule(i.e going from 4 to 5 is 80% of the time it takes to go to 1 to 5 but only for 20% bonus. in this case, even though you will be sticking to frigate hulls, I still advise against it. Putz around faction warfare in cheap frigates, get to know people and that's how you will find a group of comrades "unlikely" to backstab you. get your support/ fit skills up and then go for more expensive hulls. Especially since your focus is PvP.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 296	Posted - 2015.05.24 01:57:47 - [18] - Quote Sparky De wrote: I want to raid, be part of a small team doing hit and runs. Part of a corp that won't backstab each other but will double cross those outside the corp. Now quite a few have said I should stick with Missiles and get myself a Hawk to do some L2-L3 missions. Regarding the skills, should I aim for Frigate V immediately then get my Missiles and associated skills to V? What is the best way forward? A broad spectrum of skills is really the best way to go about anything in EvE. While you could train into the Astero in week or so you would have no support skills to make it work well this is a prime example of the difference between being able to sit in and pilot a specific ships and being reasonably proficient is using it. Using the Astero as an example the supporting skills would add week if not a month or more to your training time. How are your capacitor skills? Shield skills if your going shield tanked ? Armor skills if you are going armor tanked? Targeting skills? Computer skill? Rigging skills? And the list goes on and on. There is a list of basic skills that friends of mine in this game prepared years ago and I try to keep it up to date with changes but I make no promises that it is. That list is below and it will give you an idea of what I mean when I say support skills. Sparky De wrote: Regarding missions, I'll head now to a Sisters of EvE hub and get some going. When should I be ready for L2? How would I know? Thank you. Technically you are ready when you have 1.0 or higher standings with an NPC. When your skills as a player are ready and are you there yet is hard to determine withou flying with you and watching how you handle the NPC and the missions. Ultimately the only way to know is to go try one and see what happens. Now that skills list, remember this my not be up to date. Many of these skills are only needed for specific activities like mining or manufacturing, again we try to note that in the list but we may have missed some. Posting your ship fit or fits if you fly multiple ships would allow us to help narrow down the list to skills that would be more appropriate for you. One last caution before the list. In your first 9 months to year in the game training level 5 skills is usullay not recommended UNLESS they are needed as prerequisites. An example of that is Frigate 5 which is a prereq for the cov-ops / stealth bombers and the Assault frigates This list is broken down into the same categories and listed in the same order as they are in the market to make it easier to find them, the one exception is the basic skills at the top of the list. ** Basics - good skills for every pilot Advanced Weapons Upgrades - engineering Hull Upgrades -armor Mechanics - armor CPU Management - engineering Capacitor Management - engineering Capacitor Systems Operation - engineering Power Grid Management - engineering Weapons Upgrades - engineering Armor - if you fly armor tanked ships Armor Layering Armor Resistance Phasing EM Armor Compensation Explosive Armor Compensation Kinetic Armor Compensation Themic Armor Compensation Repair Systems Drones - required for drones pilots, good to have for everyone else Drones Drone Avionics Drone Durability Drone Interfacing Drone Navigation Drone Sharpshooting Light Drone Operation Medium Drone Operation Heavy Drone Operation Optional Drones Skills Sentry Drone Interfacing Amarr Drone Specialization Caldari Drone Specialization Gallente Drone Specialization Minmatar Drone Specialization Repair Drone Operation Salvage Drone Operation - needed to use salavage drones Mining Drone Operation - needed to use mining drones Advanced Drone Avionics Electronic Systems Many of these skills can be considered requirements but which ones you need depend on the ships you fly and what you want to do in the game. Engineering - skills for everyone Advanced Weapons Upgrades Electronics Upgrades Energy Grid Upgrades Nanite Operation - for armor tank pilots or those that use nanite paste Thermodynamics Gunnery - for those using turret based weapons only Gunnery Controlled Bursts Motion Prediction Rapid Firing Sharpshooter Surgical Strike Trajectory Analysis Specialization skills as needed Missiles - for those using missiles, rockets or torpedoes only Missile Bombardment Missile Launcher Operation Missile Projection Rapid Launch Target Navigation Prediction Warhead Upgrades Specialization skills as needed Navigation - good for everyone, considered requirements for PvP Acceleration Control Afterburner Evasive Maneuvering Fuel Conservation High Speed Maneuvering Navigation Warp Drive Operation Neural Enhancement Cybernetics - needed for implants and skill hardwires Infomorph Psychology - needed for jump clones Resource Processing Primarily this whole tree is for those in mining and manufacturing Rigging - good for everyone Armor Rigging Astronautic Rigging Jury Rigging Shield Rigging Specialization skills as needed Shields - if you fly sheild tanked ships EM Shield Compensation Explosive Shield Compensation Kinetic Shield Compensation Shield Compensation Shield Management Shield Operation Shield Upgrades Tactical Shield Manipulation Thermic Shield Compensation Social ** Connections Fast Talk Social Optional Criminal Connections
Yuri Ostrovsky Snake River Jump Squad 0	Posted - 2015.05.26 17:10:23 - [19] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Eve is not like other MMOs. There really is no point that you express in "aiming to be a bomber pilot". If you are aiming to be a bomber pilot as if it is some end goal instead of a means then you are really playing eve wrong and won't be here long. In eve ships are tools. You don't aim to fly a ship you aim to do a thing and the ship just happens to be the tool to do it. You might get better advice if you tell us what kind of things that you like to do and maybe we could guide you in a direction to focus your training. Your skill points aren't really holding you back from much of anything your knowledge of the game is. Don't put words into my mouth and make is seem like I'm saying skill points are useless. Skill points do help open up options for you and make many things easier to do. I'm just saying that you can do pretty much anything in this game with the skill points that you have at the end of your first 24 hours and certainly by the end of the first week. All that being said a bomber is probably the single worst ship in game for a newer pilot to focus on getting. Well cap ships in general would probably be worse but if we are talking about a specific ship it's the bomber. T2 ships in general are typically harder to fit than T1 ships and the bomber is especially bad as it has battleship class weapons and large weapons take a long time to train. Not to mention the fact that bombers are useless as actual bombers in high sec and much of low sec. Due to all of the above and more I suggest you let go of any concept of aiming for some ship with any kind of dedication or focus for now and just "play" the game. Play in the sense of trying different stuff out and just playing around and having fun while figuring out what you like to do and gaining some sense of your personal playstyle. As an added note, there is no wrong way to play Eve. There costly, and profitable.


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