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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:26:14 -
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CCP,
Pointing to 24km is a critical part of the game. If I, as a mere peasant (because I don't pay to win), could point to 30 or 32km, whilst flying 40% faster than I otherwise could, it would open up innumerable fitting options. I literally cannot fathom the way I would fit ships if I had links because the difference in fittings is not simply dramatic, it is UN ******* BELIEVABLE. It is also un ******* reasonable. Unfortunately, I am a mere peasant who chooses not to pay to win, so I cannot reasonably compete with people who do pay to win.
Links (which are a disgustingly bad part of Eve) completely change the dynamic of PvP. Unfortunately, you CCP, for some unconceivable reason, not only allow links, but you add ships to the game which point farther than Interceptors (ie Garmurs). This is hilariously stupid for a number of reasons. These are things I should not have to explain.
Please, stop doing things that are so, SO, unbelievably terrible.
That is all.
Yeah, you probably will continue to do things that are unbelievably ridiculous. That is your own prerogative. |
Heresy Heresy
THA BUTT
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:06:08 -
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That's the most bummed-out post I've seen all year. Go hang out with some friends, or have a tub of ice cream or something.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:21:34 -
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The problem is that the game design rewards rock-paper-scissor style player, rather than in space adaptation.
You brought the wrong ship? You lose (if you didn't Dscan, see the fight was probably a fit that your fit would lose to, and then just not try).
Station dock games where people hang around attack someone, who docks up, and then keep waiting around, boring both them and the intended victim.
Hard counters of gank vs tank.
Kite loses to brawl automatically close range, and brawl loses to kite automatically long range.
If there was a way for brawl fit ships to get into range to fight a kiter, such that both sides went right down to the wire for hull hp before one or the other exploded, then you could progress to fighting linked players in the same way.
Links simply make the hard counter rock-paper-scissor style of gameplay, which EVE has, that much harder counter.
There is no slippery slope in EVE, only cliffs. They'd have to rethink how they design the game's system.
I personally would like to be able to MWD a brawl boat into a kiter to stand a chance of beating them, for a real fight, rather than hit Dscan and warp off from everything but a select few possible engagements I can win or ruthlessly slaughter.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:40:00 -
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Not this thread again?
Hell dude if you dont want to go and bring a friend with a commandship or a t3 BUY A FANCY point... Republic fleet ones reach out to almost 30 if memory serves... Hell bring a friend with probes and murderboat their fancy links ship... |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:42:48 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:Not this thread again?
Hell dude if you dont want to go and bring a friend with a commandship or a t3 BUY A FANCY point... Republic fleet ones reach out to almost 30 if memory serves... Hell bring a friend with probes and murderboat their fancy links ship...
Unless you've done it yourself, don't tell others this works. AFK alt linkboats use cap stable high speed to avoid being scanned down.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel
The Kadeshi
1449
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Posted - 2015.05.24 06:02:43 -
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There is no problem to solve. As FireFrenzy said, bring your own links, either by bringing a friend (if you really don't want to pay to win) or by having an alt. There are, furthermore, no unscannable ships in the game. Everything can be scanned with Sisters Launchers, proper ships and a Virtue set.
I'm, to be quite frank here, very surprised that you, 13krd1d1 of all, don't agree with FireFrenzy here who suggested to bring a friend to do either of these activities and thus interact with other players. vOv
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
405
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Posted - 2015.05.24 09:32:51 -
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I never said its easy, in fact i know it is not. I do know however that it can be done...
And yes the linked ship can buy a shiney thing as well...
However you choose to put yourself at a disadvantage going out solo... You know you are undocking without a buddy to run reps or boosts, or maybe some kind of very fast interceptor/dramiel/etc or whatever else you want to bring. To me this is as silly as engaging someone on a gate and then complaining when they have friends jump through from the other side...
Sure you thought the odds were better then they are IRL but well, **** happens... |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:11:28 -
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Inb4 lock.
Ranting is not allowed.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:19:30 -
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Reported for ranting.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
726
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:21:16 -
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Mag's wrote:Reported for ranting.
Redundant.
I already did it 
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1100
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:25:42 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:
Kite loses to brawl automatically close range, and brawl loses to kite automatically long range.
If there was a way for brawl fit ships to get into range to fight a kiter, such that both sides went right down to the wire for hull hp before one or the other exploded, then you could progress to fighting linked players in the same way.
there is and there are many guides on how to do this look up sling shot/yo-yo
I personally would like to be able to MWD a brawl boat into a kiter to stand a chance of beating them, for a real fight, rather than hit Dscan and warp off from everything but a select few possible engagements I can win or ruthlessly slaughter.[/quote]
and if you could just MWD right to that kiter how does that kiter keep at kite range?
there are way through piloting skill that you can over come a fit built to counter yours or for you to get out of the fight after engaging
links give you an advantage utilize them you don't need to "pay to win" just get a friend
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Mag's
the united
19466
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:40:50 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Mag's wrote:Reported for ranting. Redundant. I already did it I had done it, but the forum kept stopping me posting in the thread with the secure error. 
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
647
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Posted - 2015.05.24 12:52:50 -
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Phaade wrote: for some unconceivable reason, not only allow links, but you add ships to the game which point farther than Interceptors (ie Garmurs). This is hilariously stupid for a number of reasons..
probably done to you know....tackle the inty before it gets away. Mild attempt at balance...have sometthing that can out tackle the tackle and if luck there can burn in fast enough before the inty burns off to then gtfo if a really good day.
Link rant....its an mmo, kind of expected people will buddy up. If they want a nice single player experience lots of games give this that don't cost a monthly sub. Hell I bough 2 this weekend on steam sales to get to at some point. Saved me 20+ dollars easy...worth the buy now and play later.
Some of these buddies look for more from eve than run big guns, shoot stuff. Some people dig the various support roles in game. To include fleet boosting. If we wanted APM focused fire fire fire fire all day everyday we' be heavy into FPS game play |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:48:36 -
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Ranting like that will certainly ensure your appeal accomplishes nothing but a swift lock.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1588
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Posted - 2015.05.24 14:43:41 -
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Also a useless appeal.
Interceptors are over powered.
Garmurs are silly expensive.
Links boost a fleet, if you kill their booster that drops.
Links help fleet on fleet be less of an alpha race.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Christopher Mabata
The Interstellar Manipulation Consortium
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Posted - 2015.05.24 17:08:09 -
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Links have already been reworked, revisited and nerfed more than a few times. Ranting on the forum about why you dont like them serves no purpose except thread locking for ranting, and redundancy because this is at least the 12th thread saying this same thing ive seen in my time on the forums alone.
Perhaps links need to be revisited, certainly in terms of boost ranges, but they are an instrumental part of the game as well and removing them does more harm than good.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5523
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Posted - 2015.05.24 17:24:57 -
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Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
Thread closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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