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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:58:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/11/2006 09:43:15
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I can confirm that the terrorists all belonged to The Defiants.
You can confirm? And the audience here is just supposed to take your word for it?
Considering that you would most likely be among those to complain if I posted the killmails of ships belonging to The Defiants (complete with the details of Republic Fleet equipment), yes, the audience here is supposed to take my word for it.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:32:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/11/2006 11:33:25
If they are, as you claim, taking warships to attack civilian targets on a sovereign territory of a nation in peace with us, it would hardly be in my interest to complain if they get themselves killed in the process.
The audience have to decide for themselves if they believe an Amarr obviously building up an excuse for war with the Republic, or not. Personally, I'll wait for further information before drawing conclusions.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:14:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Ysolde Xen
Seems to me as if the Empire is abandoning it's people on the fringes in order to wallow in political games in the throne worlds. Even the independent holders are criticising the Navy's disinterest in their safety.
To be expected I guess. Jostling for power and position whilst all this heir selection or whatever goes on. Who cares about a few regions here and there?
That is a very broad generalization. We have a very fruitfull colaboration with the locals of some border constellations going for example.
And when the Navy calls all the loyalist forces will rally as has been demonstrated very recently - and will prevail as usual.
Now recruiting!
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.11.20 20:23:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/11/2006 11:33:25
If they are, as you claim, taking warships to attack civilian targets on a sovereign territory of a nation in peace with us, it would hardly be in my interest to complain if they get themselves killed in the process.
The audience have to decide for themselves if they believe an Amarr obviously building up an excuse for war with the Republic, or not. Personally, I'll wait for further information before drawing conclusions.
If those who were present and saw what happened can't be trusted, who can? I was there too, and I can confirm what Mr Blake has said. If that isn't enough for you, then you know less about honour than what your race claims to.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:27:00 -
[35]
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:51:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...If the person behind this is the traitor Muritor, as I am sure everyone with half a brain suspects, he is not Republic Fleet personnel. I have it from a very reliable source that the Fleet would very much like him back, and are in no way co-operating with his terrorist acts and efforts to encite a war...
The lady speaks the truth. This is not the work of the Republic. They are politicians chained like slaves to a treaty. This is the work of free men.
I know full well what warmongers the Amarr are but I would have thought them smarter than to try and pick a fight with more innocents. Especially considering they cannot handle the enemies they already have.
Warriors of freedom unite! The time draws near for the Empire to renounce slavery or for it to die.
In truth, it doesn't matter who did this. Freedom itself is an elemental force, unasailable by god or man. It moves within those who open themselves to its nature. When freedom is threatened it strikes the aggressor with a force mustered from the very blood of the free. Count the days of your empire and weep. Freedom is the torch we carry, let it light the way or feel its flame.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:32:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/11/2006 23:35:06
Yes, it does matter.
What good will it do to free our brothers and sisters, if at the same time you give the slavers an excuse to destroy the home they would return to? Do you want our kin to return to Matar to see the Imperial Navy on orbit?
Continue your ****ed terrorism, traitors, but do not involve us. We want none of this madness.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:16:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:17:00 -
[39]
Well, if you do not need an excuse, what's held you back this far?
Scared, maybe?
You should be.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:23:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Well, if you do not need an excuse, what's held you back this far?
Scared, maybe?
You should be.
Nothing has held me back. My actions were covered in my statement.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic.
I'm not the Empire.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:29:00 -
[41]
Oh, forgive my misunderstanding, I was under a different impression of 1st Praetorian Guard's policies.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Oh, forgive my misunderstanding, I was under a different impression of 1st Praetorian Guard's policies.
And what would our policies have to do with the Empire's actions? [i]They[i] dictate [i]our[i] actions, not vice versa.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 01:35:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/11/2006 23:35:06
Yes, it does matter.
What good will it do to free our brothers and sisters, if at the same time you give the slavers an excuse to destroy the home they would return to? Do you want our kin to return to Matar to see the Imperial Navy on orbit?
Continue your ****ed terrorism, traitors, but do not involve us. We want none of this madness.
Awaken sister, they are already upon our homes. They already poison our people, and warp their wills. Their industrials already carry away entire communities, to die in chains. Awaken sister, they are at your door.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 01:44:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
That equipment and ammunition was stolen from the Republic. It's use against you animals in no way indicates Republic complicity. At least not to a rational, sentient being. Some of my men have in the past used stolen Amarr ships to attack slaver convoys. Does this mean the Empire attacks it's own shipping?
The theft of those ships and the treason that followed is a matter of public and verified record. If the Republic Fleet had mobilised you would know about it. Fortunately for you warmongers the Republic is led by peaceful and diplomatic people.
Unlike the other slavers at least you are honest. The Empire does not need an excuse to attack the Republic, State or Federation. It has always openly stated it's goal of galactic domination and enslavement. We all know that as soon as you recover from the butchering you recieved the last time you tried to 'reclaim' that which you never had that you would try again.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:23:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
That equipment and ammunition was stolen from the Republic. It's use against you animals in no way indicates Republic complicity. At least not to a rational, sentient being.
You say it was stolen, yet the Republic authorities do nothing to punish the 'theives' or reclaim their stolen property. I say it's an excuse to let the 'theives' do the work the Republic doesn't have the balls to do officially.
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Some of my men have in the past used stolen Amarr ships to attack slaver convoys. Does this mean the Empire attacks it's own shipping?
If those amarr ships were of Imperial designation, like the Defiants' are of Republic designation, then this arguement would be valid. But I've never seen a terrorist in an Imperial ship. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see given the superior quality of those ships, the lack of loyalty of the terrorists, and the loose conditions with wich those ships are given out, I would comdemn any Imperial official who allowed it to happen.
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If the Republic Fleet had mobilised you would know about it.
No one's claiming the Defiants are Republic Fleet.
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Fortunately for you warmongers the Republic is led by peaceful and diplomatic people.
That's unfortunate.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 06:56:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
That equipment and ammunition was stolen from the Republic. It's use against you animals in no way indicates Republic complicity. At least not to a rational, sentient being.
You say it was stolen, yet the Republic authorities do nothing to punish the 'theives' or reclaim their stolen property. I say it's an excuse to let the 'theives' do the work the Republic doesn't have the balls to do officially.
They certainly did try to stop the good Captain. Thanks to a lot of luck and people, traitors, such as myself they failed. Now those ships can be used to bring freedom to our people and herald the death of slavery.
You can throw around as many wild accusations as you like. While being gullible enough to believe anything that allows you kill civilians seems to be a purely Amarrian trait the rest of us look for evidence. Proof even. You have neither.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
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Some of my men have in the past used stolen Amarr ships to attack slaver convoys. Does this mean the Empire attacks it's own shipping?
If those amarr ships were of Imperial designation, like the Defiants' are of Republic designation, then this arguement would be valid. But I've never seen a terrorist in an Imperial ship. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see given the superior quality of those ships, the lack of loyalty of the terrorists, and the loose conditions with wich those ships are given out, I would comdemn any Imperial official who allowed it to happen.
The argument is perfectly valid. If a ship, item of equipment or a clip of ammo is stolen from someone they are not responsible for the actions of the thief. Perhaps you should blame the Ardishapur family for the uprising led by Drupar. After all he killed the holder with a stolen Amarrian Khumaak and sparked the uprising. Do you condemn Ardishapur for allowing it to happen?
You may well condemn any pilot under your command for his no doubt numerous failings. Until you serve the Republic Fleet and swear loyalty to the Minmatar Republic it is not within your rights to sit in judgement of it's officers.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
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If the Republic Fleet had mobilised you would know about it.
No one's claiming the Defiants are Republic Fleet.
Excellent. Then since we all know full well that the Defiants are not the Republic Fleet then we can stop blaming the Republic for the attacks in the Bleak Lands can't we. I'm sure you could have reached this conclusion on your own, you people need to stop relying on us Matari as much as you do. It makes you weak.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.21 10:11:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Chishan
Awaken sister, they are already upon our homes. They already poison our people, and warp their wills. Their industrials already carry away entire communities, to die in chains. Awaken sister, they are at your door.
Oh for gods' sake, pilot, don't give me that cheap rhetoric again, I've heard it all before. I do not need awakenings; I have been in this line of work for years now and I do know what the situation is, probably better than you. Yes, they are at the door, yes, they have always been there - and you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
You say it was stolen, yet the Republic authorities do nothing to punish the 'theives' or reclaim their stolen property.
Here you are mistaken, which is understandable, but considering your nationality and world view, I am sure you are willing to forgive the Republic authorities that they do not see it necessary to inform you about all their doings.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.21 12:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that keep them out? Ever consider the possibility that were it not for the likes of us taking the war to the enemy that you would be seeing more than raids on the border worlds by now? Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
No need to answer, just consider it.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:29:00 -
[49]
Thrace, you of all people know the answer to those questions is "yes, I have".
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:44:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that keep them out? Ever consider the possibility that were it not for the likes of us taking the war to the enemy that you would be seeing more than raids on the border worlds by now? Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
No need to answer, just consider it.
The last time I checked, U'K-claimed space did not lie between Amarr and the Republic.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:51:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
I cannot begin to say how sad such a statement makes me. I wonder if you yourself believe this or whether other people speaking for personal gain has clouded your eyes?
The Amarr has no wish to enslave the other peoples of this galaxy. Any statement to the contrary is an outright lie!
We do however, try to fulfill our GOD-given destiny of leading all men to a new age of peace and tranquility under the rule of our righteous lord.
Granted, the masses that has been swayed by beliefs such as that you present will need reeducation - even if it be against their will. If a four year old child cries that he's afraid of the doctor and doesn't want to take his vaccination shots, do you let him go without or do you make the decision for him? What decision shows the greater love?
The length of the reeducation that we take upon us to perform, will of course vary from person to person - but that we wish to enslave the masses forever is an outright lie! Look at both the clever Ni-Kunni and the bold Ammatar. Both groups are free men that has found a station in life - and one they can be (and certainly are) proud of.
Indeed the major threat to the freedom loving Ammatar are the Minmatar terrorists (such as yourself) that wishes to destroy their society and their way of life - all the while crying a battlecry of "For freedom". What hypocricy is this?
So what path will you choose in life? The path that GOD wishes for us all - one that will finally lead to peace and prosperity in our galaxy. Or will you choose a path of chaos, mayhem and carnage - one that may give you personal gains in the short term, but will lead to your downfall sooner or later?
Your decision will decide your fate come judgement day.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:46:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Maybe you should start questioning your sources more, for as you've seen, they don't value you highly enough to tell you the truth. We know more of honour than your leaders seem to do, lying to you in such terrible ways.
For those still lost, here you have the link: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=429291&page=1
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:22:00 -
[53]
I never said it was untrue, in fact I said anyone with half a brain suspects the most likely persons. I just said wait for reliable confirmation before jumping into conclusions.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:45:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that keep them out? Ever consider the possibility that were it not for the likes of us taking the war to the enemy that you would be seeing more than raids on the border worlds by now? Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
No need to answer, just consider it.
The last time I checked, U'K-claimed space did not lie between Amarr and the Republic.
We have developed ships capable of warp speeds. They are also able to use jump gates. You may wish to review your military intelligence, we don't actually use spears anymore.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 07:54:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Chishan on 22/11/2006 07:55:18
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Originally by: Chishan
Awaken sister, they are already upon our homes. They already poison our people, and warp their wills. Their industrials already carry away entire communities, to die in chains. Awaken sister, they are at your door.
Oh for gods' sake, pilot, don't give me that cheap rhetoric again, I've heard it all before. I do not need awakenings; I have been in this line of work for years now and I do know what the situation is, probably better than you. Yes, they are at the door, yes, they have always been there - and you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Fine, I can drop the rhetoric as you call it. I'll never be the spooky old witch my mother was anyway. Since you are apparently in a position elevated from mine, you may care to illuminate me as to how you negotiate with an opponent who occupies an intractable position built on faith? Faith that we are inferior. That we need to be educated, and that Vitoc dependency is the lesson. The systems that have been raided may be distant to you, and of little consequence in the big picture. What I have to say may sound like rhetoric to you, but it's the reality I've seen in places that I have called home.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:12:00 -
[56]
Forgive me if my words offended.
I know the realities, believe me, I do. Your kind want to paint all loyalists as heartless and distant, but that is not the real picture; most of us have hearts that break just as yours do and we share the same burning desire to Do Something.
To give you a bit of counter-rhetoric: a clever fighter does not start hostilities with a fighting alliance with several times the power of his own, even when he sees a tempting target of opportunity he well can take down. Instead, he finds another route around their camps for now, and in peace recruits allies, gathers ships, and makes plans.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Chishan
Faith that we are inferior.
You are not inferior. You ur un-Enlightened. Blind. We just want to show you the Light.
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That we need to be educated, and that Vitoc dependency is the lesson.
See? You learned nothing. Vitoc is not the lesson at all, it's just the mean to get you tranquil enough to hear the real lesson. God is the lesson, God, respect, honour. The glorious ways of the Empire.
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Void Reaper
Minmatar
Industrial Oblivion
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:58:00 -
[58]
<Yawn> The Amarr want to "En-Lighten" us.
Look why don't you stop this blustering and puffing your chest out because what is obvious about the Amarr is that they can't even get your own throne worlds in order. How long is it now since you lost your emperor? How did you lose him? Yet now you wish to take your frustrations out on the Republic.
So here you are trying to justify actions, by the time you reach the justification all the stars in the universe will have burnt out.
Get your own house in order then we may pay you a little attention until then shhhh! we ain't interested in your preaching.
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:00:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Tonight, combat squadrons from the Imperial Navy, PIE Inc., the CVA, VV, Manu Dei and OQ were involved in running battles with insurgent forces throughout the Bleak Lands.
These forces were intent on destroying merchant vessels but were beaten off.
Ships carrying fuel for the "machinery of death" run by the Empire are valid targets for all those who love freedom.
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar
ORKS
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:57:00 -
[60]
Has no-one thought of another possible reason for the attacks?
Is it just a co-incidence that another attack (upon the Gallente inside Caldari Borders) occurred recently and has no traceable party to blame?
The attack in Kassigainen was done by the Veto corporation but they were under a very lucrative contract from an un-identified source. Speculation places the blame upon the Caldari Navy but the fact that a Caldari "Home Guard" unit was already on the scene negotiating with the Gallentean convy at the time of the attack (and the home guard unit did not partake in the combat). Really the Caldari Navy came out of the incident looking inneffectual...
Notice the paralells? Amarr has admitted it won't committ the Navy in this instance. Also, an unknown group is doing the attacks (using republic gear?). Perhaps there is some new group arising in the Universe and it is trying to start wars to weaken the current powers?
What better way to weaken your enemies than to set them at each other's throats? Make it so that when you step in to take sovereignty of a region there is little or nothing the current owners can do!
or maybe I am being paranoid...
Mik
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