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RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:00:00 - [1] When you fly an Interceptor that has over 200M isk worth of fittings, please use common sense. For example, don't MWD toward a torp Raven who is 250k away while he is hitting you with a target painter. That will result in an instapop of your expensive toy. Quote: 2006.11.15 03:08 Victim: xxxxxxxx Alliance: xxxxxxxx Corp: xxxxxxxx Destroyed: Crow System: C9N-CC Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: xxxxxx (laid the final blow) Security: 4.6 Alliance: xxxxxxx Corp: xxxxxxxx Ship: Raven Weapon: Inferno Javelin Torpedo Destroyed items: Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 96 Standard Missile Launcher II, Qty: 2 Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay Domination Nanofiber Structure, Qty: 2 Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I (Cargo) ECM - Multispectral Jammer II (Cargo) Kapteyn Sensor Array Inhibitor I (Cargo) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II (Cargo) Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:07:00 - [2] Looks like some of that was cargo. In any event, more fun for you.
Riddick06	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:38:00 - [3] Would of been more fun if it didnt blow up so he could sell it.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:43:00 - [4] Your alliance could use some of that common sense stuff. You die like lemmings and yet feel the need to come here and offer pvp tips. One guy has a brain fart and loses a crow and you run to the forums? They'd melt if every stupid moment in ASCN pvp got posted here
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Pestillence Your alliance could use some of that common sense stuff. You die like lemmings and yet feel the need to come here and offer pvp tips. One guy has a brain fart and loses a crow and you run to the forums? They'd melt if every stupid moment in ASCN pvp got posted here A little bitter aren't we?
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:01:00 - [6] i had a AAA taranis do that to my typhoon aswell O_o
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Pestillence Your alliance could use some of that common sense stuff. You die like lemmings and yet feel the need to come here and offer pvp tips. One guy has a brain fart and loses a crow and you run to the forums? They'd melt if every stupid moment in ASCN pvp got posted here A little bitter aren't we? Irritiable, its late and I'm on dialup since I'm in Africa atm. The headline looked promising but the content failed to deliver. Seriously, with umpteen billions dieing in combat everyday throughout EVE, is this really worthy of a thread? At least the crow TRIED to engage, thats a bit of a rarity these days. Instead we get some mullet going "haha he died with xpensive lewt" Said mullet was also in a ship that looked suspiciously like one designed to kill small ships (250km distance, sensor boosters and painters) Colour me unimpressed.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:21:00 - [8] Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. _________________________________________
Mr Jay Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:51:00 - [9] quote=Pestillence]The headline looked promising but the content failed to deliver. Pretty much summed it up for me. Absolute Evil pwned my sig =(
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement.
Activist Pacifist	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:40:00 - [11] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement. Considering he/she has no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, leads me to believe BoB dont post very many of their losses. BoB killboard is questionable, at the very least (editing stabs out of killmails).
Dirtball Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:07:00 - [12] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement. Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers.
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Activist Pacifist Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement. Considering he/she has no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, leads me to believe BoB dont post very many of their losses. BoB killboard is questionable, at the very least (editing stabs out of killmails). Him having no entry on the boards means that, with the character he is posting with at the least, he has had no PVP interaction that has resulted in either a kill or a loss with BoB, so his knowledge on the PVP ability of BoB members in general cannot be very extensive. As for your claims, BoB are very strict about posting losses, so believe me its not a case of "BoB don't post their losses." Dirtball: At least try to come up with some sort of clever retort if you're going to try and induce flames.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Farjung on 16/11/2006 02:53:24 The loss is posted. Here's a little experiment for you: Sit in gang with someone who has gang skills affecting max velocity, but don't be in the same system as them. Orbit an object at max speed. Have them jump into local. Watch what happens when they do, and the gang skills take effect. This is documented in this thread. FYI, painting a crow that's doing 10km/s will not make your javelin torps do any more damage to it. When that crow's gangmates enter local and gang skills start taking effect, causing him to change direction and drop down slow enough for all the torps to hit him, that's when he has problems. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Farjung Edited by: Farjung on 16/11/2006 02:53:24 The loss is posted. Here's a little experiment for you: Sit in gang with someone who has gang skills affecting max velocity, but don't be in the same system as them. Orbit an object at max speed. Have them jump into local. Watch what happens when they do, and the gang skills take effect. This is documented in this thread. FYI, painting a crow that's doing 10km/s will not make your javelin torps do any more damage to it. When that crow's gangmates enter local and gang skills start taking effect, causing him to change direction and drop down slow enough for all the torps to hit him, that's when he has problems. But but RougeWing is the most uber pvp guy ever, even dirtball supports him so he must pwn x1000 :o Maybe its dirtballs ASCN veld mining alt, that could be the only explanation for how an ASCN member could ever reach dirtball like godly status. Yes thats the answer I will assume is the truth. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:15:00 - [16] somone seems a bit bitter they lost thier raven
Spartac0 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Farjung The loss is posted. Here's a little experiment for you: Sit in gang with someone who has gang skills affecting max velocity, but don't be in the same system as them. Orbit an object at max speed. Have them jump into local. Watch what happens when they do, and the gang skills take effect. This is documented in this thread. FYI, painting a crow that's doing 10km/s will not make your javelin torps do any more damage to it. When that crow's gangmates enter local and gang skills start taking effect, causing him to change direction and drop down slow enough for all the torps to hit him, that's when he has problems. Edit; and, well, he got the job done, he tackled you (or your corpmate, assuming you're not posting on an alt) and allowed the rest of us to come and gank you and pod you, so we recovered the loot that survived as well as your tech II siege, so he's not all that upset over losing it over a quirk of game mechanics. That's pretty much it dude, farjung said exactly what happened. when your torps killed me i already had 1 pt on you and i was going 9.5km/s @ a range of 28km. gang jumped in to gank you (which they did), and my ship changed direction and slowed down to 1k/s (this was when the torps hitted me). If you're so sure about your raven versus my crow, we can go to the test server and i'll show u how useless your raven is against my crow, and that the ONLY chance that u have of killing me is exactly what happened. but congrats on your kill anyway, you're the 2nd person to actually kill me since i plugged in the snake set. the 1st person was two months ago and it was Escador. i got the job done which was to tackle the raven and he also got podded (which made me feel better ) I know i don't have common sense but hey... flying a 700m crow is not for everyone m8. you either have the balls and the skills to do it (and the isk aswell) or you keep flying caracals and other sort of ordinary ship and setup. it's not the ship that makes u a better pilot, it's the pilot that makes the ship a better asset in a gang. since this war started (29th september) check how many kills that crow that u killed was involved in. and don't worry i have plenty of ships like the one u just killed, but thanks for your concern. You divide... We conquer ;-) What we do in life... Echoes in Eternity.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:51:00 - [18] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Activist Pacifist Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement. Considering he/she has no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, leads me to believe BoB dont post very many of their losses. BoB killboard is questionable, at the very least (editing stabs out of killmails). Him having no entry on the boards means that, with the character he is posting with at the least, he has had no PVP interaction that has resulted in either a kill or a loss with BoB, so his knowledge on the PVP ability of BoB members in general cannot be very extensive. As for your claims, BoB are very strict about posting losses, so believe me its not a case of "BoB don't post their losses." Dirtball: At least try to come up with some sort of clever retort if you're going to try and induce flames. I think hes probably right. Zaethiel has never been on a BoB loss mail. My alt however killed a stupid BoB guy the other day. Was rather funny how fast he got owned. _________________________________________
Awox Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:42:00 - [19] RogueWing, congratulations, you managed to kill an Interceptor due to a bug. No really, congrats.. To the guy who lost his Crow, bad luck mate. I can only hope that this bug gets fixed soon, although maybe you should have boxed around him while the gang bonuses were applied? snip Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:19:00 - [20] I would like to add something When sitting in dockrange of a station in a thanatos, with 7 local hull nanos fitted. Do not aggro a lone frig. He died in less then 50 seconds to less then 30 people. P.S. Bob Lite thanks our dear friends in ASCN for donating 999 bpc's and 45 bpo's to our cause. The warp core stabilizer bpo is in production as we speak.
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:31:00 - [21] Edited by: HordeZla on 16/11/2006 12:36:21 Originally by: Rid**06 Would of been more fun if it didnt blow up so he could sell it. Would have been more fun if the noob raven pilot did not loose his ship. Laim attempt at smack as this character has killed more than most of ASCN best put together. But ASCN well done, you managed to kill a frig in a BS...You rock....Bless Seen it all now, ASCN offering PVP tips to an alliance that has taken 3 stations of theres. But qudos to the dolo pilot that is in his own claimed space trying to defend it unlike the rest of his missing alliance. Try again!
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:33:00 - [22] lol this thread makes me giggle Just goes to show that we dont fly t1 crap like most of ASCN. Sparty did his job, he got the tackle, the target went down, his loot was picked up and he was in a new ship rather quick, i was on TS with him and it didnt really affect him in any other way then "oops i died, im off to get a new ship" so pulling this up here is just a little sad :P
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:38:00 - [23] The day i see an ASCN grow a pair big enough to fly with that set-up is the day they're allowed to talk crap about loosing a ship. Other than 1 Core-X hardner i seen on one of your many dead cap ships i haven't seen a single one of your roll-over alliance have the stones to slap on faction kit and use it to the max potential in PvP. As for Staball's comment, just LOL - your full rack of stabs still making you an uber PvPer? You not in any position to comment about 'skills' from the amount of stories i heard about you smacking your guts out from a safe spot from actually having to fight, and not just catch an NPCer off their guard. How about you take a perfect dis-mount from that high horse of yours eh? You're not all that either. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Indigo Callypso	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:03:00 - [24] Kryztal - Your sig has me in stitches...thank you very much for this. At the Crow pilot...you can really go 16 km/sec?? ****!! That's freakin fast!
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:08:00 - [25] Originally by: ZaethielOn the fact that people dont post losses. Every corp has people who dont post losses so flaming a corporation let alone an alliance is just stupid. The only flaming can be directed towards the people who dont post and their organization for not enforcing. Killboards with as many people who use them for this game are nothing more than databases used to keep records of how things are goign and to track statistics. They are nice to look at.[/quote There are probably a few people in every alliance, including Bob, that don't post their losses, but I can tell you that some make more efforts to get an accurate killboard than others. I know for a fact that when a Dice kill is found on another killboard and missing on ours, it tends to result in a post on our forums to sort things out. I won't pretend it's 100% accurate, but we certainly do our best to keep an accurate count of kills/losses. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Donna Darko	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:15:00 - [26] Originally by: RogueWing ...don't MWD toward a torp Raven who is 250k away while he is hitting you with a target painter... ...Using common sense would mean you not bothering with the target painter from that distance, right? Stories.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:42:00 - [27] Get this alliance jibba jabba out of here you guys are in the wrong forum this is for yarring not BoB'ng
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:48:00 - [28] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Activist Pacifist Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Zaethiel Is that a BoB guy? wouldnt surprise me. Seems everyone overrates bob's skills as PvPers. At least the ones i've had run ins with have been rather retarded. Considering you have no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, that's a fairly invalid statement. Considering he/she has no entry on the BoB killboards whatsoever, leads me to believe BoB dont post very many of their losses. BoB killboard is questionable, at the very least (editing stabs out of killmails). Him having no entry on the boards means that, with the character he is posting with at the least, he has had no PVP interaction that has resulted in either a kill or a loss with BoB, so his knowledge on the PVP ability of BoB members in general cannot be very extensive. As for your claims, BoB are very strict about posting losses, so believe me its not a case of "BoB don't post their losses." Dirtball: At least try to come up with some sort of clever retort if you're going to try and induce flames. To be perfectly honest I've gotten kills on BoB before and to this day they haven't been put on the killboard. My attempts at sending them to the CEO's of the corp were met with silence. BoB is BoB. Just another alliance which tries to post all its losses but cannot govern ALL it's members. Don't expect too much. =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame...
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Spartac0 ... <3 Spartac0 I have a claymore with maxxed skills and a mindlink if you ever come to my neck of the woods with that thing. As an added bonus if you climb on our comms I'll make "vroom vroom" noises as you accelerate!
Kebbin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:36:00 - [30] Edited by: Kebbin on 16/11/2006 23:38:57 To anyone who would mock my corp mate for flying such an expensive rig, I have to wonder how many other people would dare to fly in such an expensive ship and still give it 100% every time he flies? Also, I'll take this guy in my corp any time. He's a stand up guy and one hell of a pilot.

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