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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1072
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Posted - 2015.06.04 11:06:55 -
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I'm starting to fall in space love w/ Trinket's friend and I don't care who knows. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1087
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:49:40 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Meque wrote:What's next? 100% insurance on ships? Let's still have some penalties left for dying. No, It would simply mean that you can jump from your fed navy mindlink to your RF mindlink. That's not removing risk, it's enabling people in wormholes to do squat without having to limit themselves to one fight style. It would also mean we can hop out to lowsec in cool kids' snake clones instead of poor wormholer's two learning imps and a 5% med hybrid turret :3 What a shallow attempt a an argument. People limit themselves to one fight style via plenty of other mechanisms; [...] love to be able to reship their clones as well....but so what? Those people live in Thera and have no friends.
See full quote above (#27).
Those people who live in Thera were actually the first to fly sort of structure tanked enyos, back in the day. I roughly copied the fit and got BF to run those for about... anything. And then people like you and TDSIN dropped by and basically rekted everything that was good about the original fit originating from a currently THERA-based group of people that have no friends, or so you claim.
Also, zerging people running sites is totally fine apparently, but going linked ship vs. gang is not to your liking. I see what you did there. Then that envious whining about BF cerbs. Bring beam legions or go home. Nearly no one brought beam legions. Else, don't bring a guardianfleet with massive numbers advatange, hug the hole and expect people to yolo to 0m, or do the RCC and whine on the forums how no one took your carriergang behind a massed hole. |
Jacid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:24:37 -
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I would bet if we took a poll people would show to care more about their 125mil pod than their 500 mil legion. If you want people to take bigger risks in wormhole space the game should allow for clone swapping inside wormhole space. The standard timers should apply.
This would open the door for more drunken roams and pvp where the outcome is less certain for the aggressing fleet. Your still going to get good pod kills in WHs because when the fight get serious people will want to fly with all assets in .. Or when they are min/maxing PVE stuff (think marauders with HG Crystals). In fact because people would be able to switch out they might run more expensive implants just based off the fact.
As to the idea of separating implants and jump clones. Its a good idea for all the reasons stated. However i'm not sure if implant should have a timer or not. If it doesn't have a timer then PVPers would only fly with combat/fitting clones and hardwaring. They would be assured in the ability to swap to a learning clone once the op was done. It's actually worth testing though as it could make some interested meta's where certain fleet require certain hardwaring to be feasible assuming with these changes they also boosted \ changed the
On that note and not trying to change topics but the implant/drug market is an under utilized game mechanic for CCP. It might be fun to have things like overheating implants which provide an increased bonus vs the standard but burn out in a few days. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1075
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Posted - 2015.06.04 21:12:28 -
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Jacid wrote:
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It's actually worth testing though as it could make some interested meta's where certain fleet require certain hardwaring to be feasible assuming with these changes they also boosted \ changed the
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This is what really bothers me. More and more of eve is buying into this kind of thinking. I get competition and the desire to win, but I'm concerned that some folks are losing the big picture. We all play eve in our own way and enjoy things on individual and group levels. I get that too and try to be accepting of others, but I think eve dies a little with this sort of stuff.
Must fly meta
Certain fleets REQUIRE certain implants
Just saying let's not get too caught up in winning and forget the fun part of just going out and blowing each other up. I just can't picture being in a corp where I'm told I have to fly this or that ship and that required meta also requires me to have a certain set of implants.
OPTION 1: "OMG did you see the implants Little Sally Rottencrotch lost while flying her legion??? WTF is wrong with her???"
"That stupid *****. What was she thinking?? Kick that idiot from corp and do it now!!"
OPTION 2: "?(#^^(*&^* $#@#() - 27jumps to get back and reship.... **^&$#..... I'm not going to make it in time to get back into the fight #@%^&*$^#@&*^!!!!"
My priorities lead me to option 2.
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350125GO
Isogen 5
157
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:05:49 -
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i understand the argument for being able to swap clones in wspace, we had a discussion about it in corp ts last night. What nobody could answer though is if we keep taking away what makes wspace special, it gets closer and closer to just being null without local. That seems to be what everyone wants.
I like w space being difficult to live in with lots of risks. I like not having clones that match my ships. I like that much of w space is uninhabited. But i'm a sentimental old fart, so what do i know.
You're young, you'll adjust.
I'm old, I'll get used to it.
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Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
91
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Posted - 2015.06.24 16:47:38 -
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350125GO wrote:i understand the argument for being able to swap clones in wspace, we had a discussion about it in corp ts last night. What nobody could answer though is if we keep taking away what makes wspace special, it gets closer and closer to just being null without local. That seems to be what everyone wants.
I like w space being difficult to live in with lots of risks. I like not having clones that match my ships. I like that much of w space is uninhabited. But i'm a sentimental old fart, so what do i know.
Pretty much this ^
I routinely fly a 400mil Stratios, and a 100mil+ pod. If I lose it pvping, oh well. Run 10 relic sites or a few good combat anoms, and make it back in a day or two. Seriously, j-space has so much Isk to be made, I don't get why everyone has become risk averse.
Besides. Having no clone options allows me to pod a pilot and stick him with a 20 jump trip back through kspace. Thus letting me actually take him out of the fight. Keep jump cloning out of wormholes, or one more unique thing goes away. |
Samantha Elroy
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
25
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:10:27 -
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Keep in mind, when you give pilots the freedom to install clones via Rorqual/Pos-Modules in Jspace, you give them the ability to reship, reship and reship after each kill. That is not a balanced mechanic for wormholes. Please take place in some bigger fights and you will understand it. That makes Corp/Alliance A not attacking Corp/Alliance B because with the mass-limit of wormholes you will come to that point the hole collapses and the defender has his huge bonus.
My oppinion is that this will only push bigger alliances who will stay strong or it will form just more WHCFC's who will share holes. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
882
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:03:34 -
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I'd go with less impactful idea first. Like ability to swap clones without K-space involvement, kinda the way you can swap ships.
For the record - that doesn't mean allowing you to install medical and/or jump clones. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1141
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Posted - 2015.06.25 16:02:30 -
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The OP did state quite explicitly that it's supposed to allow you to only jump within the system (and how jump mechanics need to change so it would even be possible). Also assuming everyone in favor of changing clones in w-space also means the in-system-limitation to be a given. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
12
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Posted - 2015.06.26 18:12:02 -
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It's Wormhole space - Its supposed to be dangerous - if you pod me I kiss goodbye to all my implants.
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Nelly Uanos
Spirit Unlimited
La Division Bleue
31
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Posted - 2015.06.27 09:14:22 -
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I hope to get Jump swapping service one day.
Swapping clone as I would see it.
Your present clone and the clone you want to switch too need to be in the same "citadel".
You still get the same timer as Jump Cloning. So only 1 swap every 24h (with skill reduction like Jump Clone.)
You get a certain limit of how many clones you can store in your Citadel (Maybe a new need skill, 1 clone by level, so 5 is max.)
As far as Jump Cloning in and out of wormhole, I'm totally against it.
Tempering with plugged implants is big no either. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1146
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Posted - 2015.06.27 12:00:53 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:It's Wormhole space - Its supposed to be dangerous - if you pod me I kiss goodbye to all my implants.
Danger and convenience are two entirely different things. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
12
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:31:44 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote:It's Wormhole space - Its supposed to be dangerous - if you pod me I kiss goodbye to all my implants. Danger and convenience are two entirely different things.
You are right - Perhaps the 2nd line of my post (the one you didn't quote) should have read
"If you want the convenience of being able to choose a clone to fly around in - That's K-Space - Go there" |
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