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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 16/11/2006 17:12:03
Originally by: Patch86 Drake was overpowered, and did need rebalancing.
I hope they havn't taken it too far, though.
Liberally lifted from the Drake thread. Change the name, and the sentiments remain the same- Hurricane was a monster of a ship an needed bringing in line. but I do severely hope the nerf-bat hasn't made it worthless........ -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:15:00 -
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Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
Tell that to the poor Myrmidon. DPS worse than a Brutix and a Repper bonus.............. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 16/11/2006 19:58:46
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:52:35
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
right, forgot to add damage mods to T2 ammos... corrected the graph, reposted it, corrected the old link and reposting it here
Hurr so uber!!!!1111
I'm no expert on graphs or anything, but:
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
You would rather be forgetting that, with 4 heavy drones, the Myrmidon has the survival potential of a butternut squash. 4 drones would popped within 1 minute, and each one thats popped takes a serious chunk out of it's DPS. Its DPS therefor looks artifically high if you assume it's drones will remain at full strength from the begining to the end of the fight. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:38:33 noticed that the brutix was using the electron and not ion vs 220mm?
noticed that it was the old hurricane with 7 guns/1 ham?
noticed that the brutix have a tank bonus?
noticed that brutix is T1 and that T2 BCs are supposed to be better in combat than T1 ones as they get (generally) 2 more slots?
noticed that the brutix is a ship designed to use gangs modules while the hurricane is a pure dps one?
and still my point was that brutix was able to outdps the hurricane... if hurricane dps was too high to "melt other ships before they can say ohhh look at that pretty ship" (sort of that?) this is not valid for the brutix?
Last time I checked, Hurricane could fit gang modules too (although the fitting bonus was accidentally left off the description page of all the new BCs- still there though, according to Tux).
Brutix is severely overrated due to it's cap- its tanking bonus is an acitve tank bonus (reppers) and 7 turrets eats through it's cap in under a minute on its own anyway. The hurricane's weapons don't use any cap- thats a big balancing factor, aside from "omgbbq dps". The Brutix is meant to have a higher DPS (as does the harbinger) to make up for it's crippling cap use. Thats the deal- more difficult to use weapons = better performance in exchange. Why else would anyone use a Brutix, if Hurricane could do the same damage with projectiles without using a drop of cap? -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 17/11/2006 15:02:43
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:55:25 are you sure they also share the same role?
Fairly. I'll have a poke on EVE-Search and see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Found. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon /cought
ehm phoon is second missile bs because there are just 2 missile BS or better 1 and half
also to have missiles as second weapon should not mean that all minnie ships should get a split weapon system or have less turrets...
but that there should be some turret boats and some missile boats...
gallente to do an example have blasterboats and droneboats... not a split mix of them
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon almost all bs can fit 5 heavy to boost their dps, and domi bonuses permit to do good damage just with drones (so the popular nosage boat)
Actually, Raven can't, Scorp can't, Apoc can't, Tempest can't. Rokh can't, Abaddon can't, Maelstrom can't, Hyperion can't.
Only Domi, Mega, Typhoon, and Armageddon can.
Originally by: Ath Amon and domi bonuses permit to do good damage just with drones (so the popular nosage boat)
Also not entirely true. Assuming no Drone skills (just because it complicates the issue) but Gall BS 5, the Domi's 5 drones do about 400 DPS. And thats it. In order for it to do damage equivalent with the other BSs (such as, for example, the phoon) it needs a full rack of large hybrids.
The fact that the Domi makes a decent EWAR / Nos platform is, of course, a very good thing- but it's besides the point when we're talking about DPS.
The Domi is a split-weapon BS, if its to compete (tank and gank) with other BS. Luckily, though, it does work as one- Typhoon does have a few problems. -----------------------------------------------
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