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AufDetrack	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:58:00 - [1] Professional Wealth Management This thread ir related to the topic about Professional Wealth Management that you can read here. Security: ôPlayer Conductö section of EVE official guide clearly says: How CCP deals with scammers ôOne method that we have found quite effective in the handling of repeat offender scammers is to reimburse their victims from their own ill-gotten gains, particularly when a cheat was used to dupe their victim. Other options include the suspension or permanent banning of his account.ö There is no reason that could make us take all money and run. What for? We already have enough our own ISKs to play EVE for years without financial problems. So scamming seems to us rather pointless. But any way let us count what we loose in a case of scamming: ò16 (14 managers, Impalaz and me) main accounts with total values worth 300 bln. (Most of our teammates live close to us and they surely would beat us hard in real if their main accounts were banned.) òpeople trust in EVE and real life. òFun of playing EVE. (I have started all this not to get ISKs. For me it is extremely interesting to organize people, bring them together, make them work as a team and enjoy the results. Manipulating market is also a great experience.) All this is a lot enough for not to even think about scamming. Back to the main topic

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Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:19:00 - [3] Originally by: AufDetrack Security: ôPlayer Conductö section of EVE official guide clearly says: How CCP deals with scammers ôOne method that we have found quite effective in the handling of repeat offender scammers is to reimburse their victims from their own ill-gotten gains, particularly when a cheat was used to dupe their victim. Other options include the suspension or permanent banning of his account.ö Scams such as these are not covered by the EULA, you are free to run with the money as you please. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:22:00 - [4] I'm sorry but you essentially offer no security other than your word, which at this point isn't worth the pixels it appears on. CCP does not ban market scammers or reimburse failed IPOs. You essentially offer no security. Can we have a list of your "teammates" and their mains. Can you give us screenshots, preferably fraps of your wallets showing you have 300billion isk net worth? If this is the case, why do you need 40 billion isk from other players? Furthermore, the fact you originally posted this in general discussion seems a little odd to me. It would be reasonable to assume that you were not aware of this section of the forums, something which does not act in your favour here.
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Scams such as these are not covered by the EULA, you are free to run with the money as you please. Indeed, perhaps he should list the rest of that section of the link he provided. Quote: A scam is the act of obtaining goods from other players through misinformation, confusion, pressure or by taking advantage of basic trust. Players enter into business dealings with others at their own risk and are strongly urged to exercise good judgment and common sense when trading. Quote: If a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. "Buyer beware" should be the credo of all players doing business with casual acquaintances or complete strangers in the game.
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:29:00 - [6] you flaunt half truths and make statements with out proof to back them up without backing up the stuff you will only catch silly noob bait in what looks a lot like a scam. If you are not a scam back up your words with facts and leave asside any sugarcoating please. kthnksby. >----
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:31:00 - [7] Edited by: SencneS on 16/11/2006 23:34:23 Originally by: AufDetrack -Payment rate: weekly on Friday @13.00 EVE time. -Interest: 2,5% per week, total =10%(10,38% if reinvest) per month. -Price per share: 1 000 000 isks -Total shares issued: 400 000 shares. -Payment rate: monthly on 28th day @13.00 EVE time. -Interest: 12% per month. -Price per share: 1,2bln ISKs (1,200,000,000). -Total shares issued: 1000( But we will sell only 100 of them, there is just no way to make less than 1000 shares for corp. in EVE) -Special notes: A character should be at least one month old to buy shares. Limited to one share per one account. Interest will be changing to cover the average price of 30 days GTCs(now it is 180mln ISKs). I have a small problem with this.. There are two different Share plans for the exacte same company??? 40 BILION in a 2.5% return weekly (Which is not 10% monthly mind you) 1.2 TRILION in a 12% return monthly. Just how are you going to "pay" dividends two different ways? Why should I folk over 1.2bil and get the same share as someone else who only paid 1mil? Or are you going to make two Corporations one for the 1.2bil shares, 1 for the 1mil shares?
AufDetrack	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:39:00 - [8] Edited by: AufDetrack on 16/11/2006 23:40:29 There are TWO different corporations for TWO different Plans. TWO different chars, please read "how to buy" part.
mechtech	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:46:00 - [9] You need to post actual info. Like when you say you are worth 300Bl, give screens of those assets. When you say you employ 16, give the names and screens if needed. Transparency is the key to getting investors. Shouldnt be too hard to do if you are legitimate.
AufDetrack	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:49:00 - [10] About you strange calculations of interest... We count weeks from Friday to Friday.. 7 days, 7+7+7+7 =28 days. This is our month. Easy for calculations. And there is 0.7% bonus to our costumers who think it's 30 or 31 days in a month Is that bad?

Rentier	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:53:00 - [11] Originally by: mechtech Transparency is the key to getting investors. Shouldnt be too hard to do if you are legitimate. Nice idea. Will think about it.
AufDetrack	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Estel Arador If your rivals already know who they are there's no point in hiding it. It sure would greatly help your endeavour if you could produce 14 names. I haven't say that rivals know who we are, but with that information they surely damage our business. If the names are usefull, i'll talk to the team, if they are ready to disclosure their main's names here as reference. But we will not post a list of alts used to manage assets. I hope you'll understand it.
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:32:00 - [13] Well a 2.5% payment every 7 days will not equal 10% in 28 days (And that is using your own version of a "month") http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=o05311490454541825637.1037723652945710922 Funny, I saw someone compare FIN like this just today, it was a little different but the principle is the same. The fact is, with a weekly payout of 2.5% you will NEVER get the same value as if you just waited until 28 days and paid 10% out.
AufDetrack	Posted - 2006.11.17 01:02:00 - [14] I cant get your calculations. Let us see: 1 share worth 1,000,000. After 1st week we pay 25,000(0,0251,000,000), 2st week we pay the same summ 25,000 the 3rd and the 4th are the same... total 25+25+25+25 = 100,000 for 28 days. Isn't that equal to 10% mountly payment 1,000,0000,1=100,000??? If you do not reinvest your income, then 2,5%*4=10%.
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:34:00 - [15] Edited by: SencneS on 17/11/2006 05:36:48 So you're going to pay a flat rate of peoples original investment. So everyone who buys 1 share can look forward to 25,000 isk every week. After 40 weeks they would still be getting 25,000isk a week regardless of how much your corp has grown? So in reality, this is not really shares it's a Bond, in which you pay back a flat rate depending on how much the original investment is. You should look into a loan instead, less hassel and you get the money without needing to constantly pay out dividends. My math is based on actual growth of the corp and the stock holders get dividends according to how well or poorly your company is doing. If you have dynamic returns such as a % of the corps profit, 2.5% every week will not equal a lump sum of 10% at the end of 4 weeks. The only way it would is if the last week the there was heavy losses of assets and wallet. Which I'm pretty sure every investor doesn't want.
Ricdic's Ghost	Posted - 2006.11.19 04:54:00 - [16] What a joke. Anyone giving this bloke cash is a complete moron.
IceGuerilla Amarr Poseidon's Wingmen	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:52:00 - [17] Has anyone seen the "Futurama" episode where a broker from the '80s becomes president of Planet Express? By the way, AufDetrack, I've got some caracals, I mean er... cerberuses that I can sell you really cheap.
Cleptopatra	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:01:00 - [18] Originally by: IceGuerilla Has anyone seen the "Futurama" episode where a broker from the '80s becomes president of Planet Express? By the way, AufDetrack, I've got some caracals, I mean er... cerberuses that I can sell you really cheap. My only regret is that... I.. Have.. Boneitis.
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:15:00 - [19] I was like... oh god not these scammers again.. then I saw it was just a couple of trolls digging around in the depths of forum. If it's not on the first page it doesn't need to be on the first page.
Minuteman Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:18:00 - [20] Originally by: AufDetrack òFun of playing EVE. (I have started all this not to get ISKs. For me it is extremely interesting to organize people, bring them together, make them work as a team and enjoy the results. Manipulating market is also a great experience.) Cute touch. ----------------------------------------------- \|n00b + idea + half arsed picture editing\|

Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:26:00 - [21] Anyone get the feeling that this guy is clearly not a native english speaker? I am starting to wonder if our isk selling friends are hanging up the mining barge in favor of the ponzi schemes.
Minuteman Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:31:00 - [22] Edited by: Minuteman on 18/12/2006 18:39:16 Originally by: Rabb Darktide Anyone get the feeling that this guy is clearly not a native english speaker? I am starting to wonder if our isk selling friends are hanging up the mining barge in favor of the ponzi schemes. Agreed. When I relog, I'll buy one share so that he can go buy himself a hamburger, whatever place in the globe he's scamming from. ----------------------------------------------- \|n00b + idea + half arsed picture editing\|
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:04:00 - [23] This thread is dead. It was an ill-thought-out plan. If the OP has better material, let him post a new thread about it. Let this one die in peace, please. MP
Marodi Julita Sublime Investment Fund	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:37:00 - [24] what a tard. creates 3 thread about the same thing, offers no real security, and shows no details of corp... woooowww.....
Feintau Nao Minmatar Astral Drifter	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:05:00 - [25] Confirm I am AufDetrack's Main.

Oiri Yusko Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:33:00 - [26] Full thread posted here. forum rules\|[email protected]



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