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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.06.02 14:06:54 -
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Aerasia wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:Find an off pipe system and just warp out to a safe spot, wait for enemies to clear out, warp back. Make sure your dscan has combat probes on it. I'm wondering how long "wait for enemies to clear out" normally takes. I've left system entirely for 20-30 minutes, only to find those same people still sitting in system waiting.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.06.02 14:53:19 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:It's almost as if LP should be earned. You get CCP to gift me the 5M SP it's going to take to fit a decent ship, and I'll be more than happy to pew. :D
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
618
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Posted - 2015.06.02 18:19:05 -
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I'm always amazed at how stubborn people can be about not taking good advice in EVE, even when that advice is what they are actively soliciting.
Clearly you have some experience with this game's history and reputation for a punishing learning curve. Are you really surprised by the circumstances you find yourself in?
Alright, that said... I'll be nicer from here on.
People who have fun in EVE are mostly people who join a good community. If you are dead set against joining a corp, it will be much less likely that you find EVE to be a gratifying experience. I remember having a lot of the same challenges you describe as a newer player. My first character was created in 2006, and I would subscribe for a month or two at a time before getting frustrated enough to quit.
It wasn't until 2010 that I spent any more significant amount of time playing. It wasn't until 2012 till I finally found my niche in EVE enough to keep my subscription without lapsing. Earlier this year I attended my first Fanfest in Iceland, and it was one of the best and nerdiest experiences ever.
What made the difference? Friendships. Friendships I've made with cool people I fly with, who taught me how to quit worrying and love my explosions.
If you don't want to make friends, EVE probably isn't the game for you.
If you do want to make friends, here's a protip: have a positive attitude. I don't want to recruit someone who's going to moan about losing their Atron. I want someone who's going to hop on coms with us, crack a beer, and spend a fleet joking about what scrubs the Caldari are.
(lol squids, I just had to throw that in... no hard feelings : P ) |
Portmanteau
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
46
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Posted - 2015.06.03 04:33:36 -
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RvB has moved right next to Cal militia losec (next door to hyseria) So from there you can have the best of both RvB and FW pvp altho it won't provide the isk fountain that FW farming does. It's a decent option though and I'd recommend it, I got fights in RvB hisec, OMS and minmatar space today.
FW is a great option too for small scale pvp but then so is a regular pvp corp, of which there are many if you can't be arsed with orbitting buttons and politics.
EDIT BTW don't listen to ppl who sayt EvE is not for you if you aren't that social.. I almost never fleet and they still put up with me in RvB and you can find solo fights very easily almost anywhere. |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.03 06:39:44 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:here's a protip: have a positive attitude.
Alright, that said... I'll be nicer from here on. It's like raaaa-iiiii-ain on your wedding day...
Portmanteau wrote:don't listen to ppl who sayt EvE is not for you if you aren't that social The sentiment isn't entirely wrong though. Most things are more fun with friends. Be it drunken weekend outings, EVE, or Sarin gas exposure.
That all being said though, it's possible I'll head out to RvB this weekend when I've got some time to get my PvP on. Won't be in any better position SP wise, but being tackle-fodder can't be any more boring than semi-afk mining. Though I recently found WingspanTT, and it reminds me why I ended up with Covert Ops IV & Torpedoes IV before cancelling last time.
Maybe I should train up some WH space exploration skills before cancelling this time... |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
618
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Posted - 2015.06.03 13:27:48 -
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Wingspan happens to be a perfect example of successful community building in EVE.
Anyway, I'm not saying that antisocial people don't / can't "learn2play" in EVE. I'm not super convinced those people are actually having *fun* ... but far be it from me to criticize anyone else's choice of content.
I guess I'll tell another fanfest story: my alliance had a group of like 15 people there. All wearing coordinated T-Shirts, bandanas, the whole bit. Running around as a big green blob of super nerds to panels and stuff. There were lots of groups like us, all partying and generally looking like they were having a great time.
On the other hand, you would see some solo nerd standing by himself off in a corner looking uncomfortable. He was there, he was participating. Maybe he was having fun? I hope so.
Also, you had random solo guys mixing about enjoying the simple camaraderie of fellow spaceship nerds. Meeting new people. Taking it all in, as they say. Definitely having fun.
In EVE, as in life... all of these options are available to you. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
460
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Posted - 2015.06.03 14:54:59 -
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Aerasia wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:Find an off pipe system and just warp out to a safe spot, wait for enemies to clear out, warp back. Make sure your dscan has combat probes on it. I'm wondering how long "wait for enemies to clear out" normally takes. I've left system entirely for 20-30 minutes, only to find those same people still sitting in system waiting.
Depends on the system and the people. My completely unfit deplexing alts make several hundred thousand lp a week when I'm using them in that fashion, sometimes more. Kill rights cover the cost of the hulls. |
Syrilian
Ascending Angels Two Drink Minimum
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:23:35 -
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It sounds to me like the OP has a problem with playing with others. The answer to most questions regarding how to not die in FW is to join a corp and fleet up. It's very easy to solo in FW. As in making lots of LP. If you are looking for a fight AND want a chance of willing said fight, join a corp. Fleet up. This is an MMO after all. |
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
159
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Posted - 2015.06.04 00:04:10 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Anyway, I'm not saying that antisocial people don't / can't "learn2play" in EVE. I'm not super convinced those people are actually having *fun* ... but far be it from me to criticize anyone else's choice of content.
I'm sociable but find it overwhelming to be in a really active corp because it's too easy to accidentally burn way too much free time on EvE and marginalize other things in life. Opportunity cost matters, some of us love EvE but prefer to keep it casual instead of getting involved in the life stories of everyone in fleet. Some of us forgo going on vacation somewhere cheap and warm in order to go to Iceland for what sounds an awful lot like a tech conference with just one vendor. Like you say, we can't judge what others value in life. The only thing that matters is being able to look back on the time you've spent and not regretting it. I had some great, epic times being in active corps but the time wasted behind the scenes planning/waiting/PvEing/forming up and even just warping around in a big fleet absolutely sucked. People say that the downtime is what makes the epic fights really worthwhile but for some of us that is too much commitment just to get on a shiny killmail. |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.06.04 02:44:38 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:I'm not super convinced those people are actually having *fun* For me a lot of the fun of the game comes from personal performance. I.E. did I do well compared to how I should have done? How I did last time? Working with others can be great, but I find that more often that not you're getting wrapped up on somebody's ego; "I let you into my corp/fleet, so you owe me." kind of thing.
I'm pretty sure as soon as I can start fielding competitive fits I'll get along just fine. Seeing "Your training queue will complete on 8/15/2015" puts a serious damper on the enthusiasm though.
Thanatos Marathon wrote:Depends on the system and the people. Fair enough. I might just not be "off pipe" enough, or have to work on my skills at convincing people I've left (and/or finding alternate ISK grinding plexes).
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Renee Chanlin
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:15:34 -
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Keep in mind the skill cap for mastery of a specific frigate doesn't take long to reach. If you focus your skill queue you can probably max out skills for flying a faction frig with tech 2 mods within a month or two. I started getting solo kills within a couple of months of starting to play. It helps to have good advice on piloting and fitting though, which is where joining a supportive corp helps. |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:46:56 -
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Renee Chanlin wrote:doesn't take long to reach.
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within a month or two. I don't think we have the same definition of "doesn't take long". Also, from this thread (and almost every fitting guide I've seen) a T2 fit isn't really considered mastery - that's just bare minimum cost of entry.
Which isn't to say I'm going to wait the entire 80-90 days for full Mastery IV certification. Just that EVE is one of the few games in existence which you can be paying to play for months before you're actually considered fit for "play".
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
203
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:36:26 -
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Aerasia wrote:Renee Chanlin wrote:doesn't take long to reach.
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within a month or two. I don't think we have the same definition of "doesn't take long". Also, from this thread (and almost every fitting guide I've seen) a T2 fit isn't really considered mastery - that's just bare minimum cost of entry. Which isn't to say I'm going to wait the entire 80-90 days for full Mastery IV certification. Just that EVE is one of the few games in existence which you can be paying to play for months before you're actually considered fit for "play".
1-2 months of play is not very long when you consider the huge number of possibilities of game play and career styles available. It is funny when players demand a right to a level playing field when they have not paid the price that experienced and seasoned players have paid (it's a game that demands effort and is why many play for years).
Most early play commonly involves getting to grasp with the UI, the New Eden world and how to fly a ship and combat experience usually starts with NPC's.
You're not ready to fly a Titan straight out of capsuleer school either, nor run links for a 256 man fleet. Positions of high mastery are privileged in New Eden and take investment of time before they are available.
Solo PvP is at a mastery that is greater than beginner level. If you'd chosen to use your main (or buy a higher SP character) rather than an alt you'd have been more ready.
Having said all that, you can still learn the finer arts and skills required for later on. It's just that you've entered a field of combat where many have treaded before, for some time and they're seasoned Veterans or Elites in contrast to your Green Recruit.
This is why it is better (with low SP) for you to fly in a pair or small skirmish team to balance your low SP disadvantages and offset enemies higher SP. There is a clear difference between Tech 1 and Tech 2 weapons, enough to be a deciding factor in solo. You might be able to bridge that gap by using expensive Faction weapons though.
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:57:10 -
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Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:Positions of high mastery are privileged in New Eden and take investment of time before they are available. Just to be fair to the topic, I'll save the laughing at "I spent a lot of time logged out, asleep, to earn the right to this Titan" opinions for the Skill Discussions forum.
Make no mistake though, I'd be perfectly happy with dumping the entire SP system and defaulting everybody to an "All V" skillset.
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Darth Magus
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
3
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:06:13 -
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Rules for solo PVP:
1) Fly, lose ships, makes mistakes 2) Learn from your mistakes 3) Study your opponents and Killboards 4) Get better, keep going 5) Start winning
Im a 2005 chartacter, but I played for 3-4 month a year and took alot of breaks while doing mining/industry (part of the reason was - just like you and many here I sucked at PVP and was getting frustrated because I was getting rekt)
I really only started PVPing in 2011, and was terrible at it (because all SP was in mining/industrial skills).
I am by no means a PRO, but here is a good place to start:
https://zkillboard.com/character/660703668/stats/
Stats is important as it shows you my % efficiency, mostly its below 50%. You can also look at how many solo kills I got, and fits.
Make sure you study people's killboards.
Battleclinic is another good one (for KB stats only)
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?name=Darth+Magus&type=pilot
Good luck! |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
147
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Posted - 2015.06.11 17:08:30 -
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There is a middle ground between flying solo or flying with a 20-man fleet. You could try flying with one or two other guys. That'll give you an edge in those small fights that happen in FW complexes, without necessarily scaring everyone into running and hiding. I would think a brawler/tackler and kiter/dps combination would work great. Kill one faction frigate and you'll be way ahead despite a number of cheap losses. |
Civ Kado
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
81
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Posted - 2015.06.11 17:32:43 -
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You're looking for meaningless combat for the sake of it. That's why you're where you are, because there is no meaning to what you are doing. This is a sandbox, you're supposed to give meaning to your goals. It's ok if you just want to explode ships, but in that case just cut the middleman. Arrange something with someone instead of wasting time looking for something you don't even know exactly what it is. |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.06.11 20:12:42 -
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Civ Kado wrote:First, skillpoint and meta level isn't the end-all be-all of solo combat But it's a bit disingenuous to pretend it isn't a entry barrier. The difference between Skill I-II with Meta 0 and Skill IV-V with Meta 5 is mind boggling. I don't remember the exact numbers from an EFT experiment I did but I think the difference was something like 3.5x the DPS, 4x the tank, 2x the speed. That's going to be hard to overcome with "Just counter their fit".
Darth Magus wrote:Rules for solo PVP:
1) Fly, lose ships, makes mistakes 2) Learn from your mistakes 3) Study your opponents and Killboards 4) Get better, keep going 5) Start winning
That's what I'm hoping for. Part of the "Get better" though is getting the right fits. I need to have the right gear if I want to stand toe to toe with anybody, and that means waiting for my T2 weapon/support skills to finish.
That being said, I was busy last weekend and didn't get to check out RvB (or any of the FW corps). Here's hoping this weekend will see some explosions. |
Nihta
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2015.06.15 16:45:33 -
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I hjave been offensive plexing (solo, without links) in a hurricane a few times last week. Each time has been loads of fun, even if I did not earn enough Kills to make up for my hurricane loss, there is something utterly satisfying about blowing away an entire 4 man gang solo (has happened twice now!)
Point is: I need someone to shoot garmurs off me. (Beam Slicers) So come fly, let's fly! Fly with me in Amarr LS |
Mr Duffo
Operation Meatshield
121
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:48:04 -
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Moglarr wrote:Dude you definitely sound like you've already set out to find reasons to not enjoy the game.
And that is cool.
That being said if you want to pew pew with the best, you will have to die like the rest of us. Even the best FW alliances, corps and pilots lose thousands of ships a month. That is part of the reason why you see so many smaller ships in FW because the scale we get blown up on is staggering and in some cases a little more than new pilots can handle.
You are NOT your ship. Hell, you're not even your pod! Your ship is a consumable item you throw at the enemy in the hops of achieving your objective. It is like shooting at a target with a bullet, you want to hit the bullseye, but sometimes you wont, and that is OK after all it is just a bullet and you can easily get more.
Personally, if you're low SP and don't know much about EVE I really would not suggest trying to go solo because you just don't know what you're doing well enough to succeed. I've been in FW for over a year and I still barely know what I am doing well enough to properly and reliable win solo fights! (But I might just be bad)
If you insist on going solo, that is kick ass! But you'll need a lot of drive and determination because you will get your butt stomped a lot by better ships, better pilots and better tactics. Talk to the dudes who kill you, analyse what you did wrong. Did you not control range properly? Why was that? How could you do better next time? You need to constantly be asking yourself this to figure out how to become a bad ass.
A lot of FW corps are willing to help with that. As long as you're willing to put forward the effort to succeed.
This is when I shamelessly self-promote. Join Operation Meatshield.
No please do not recruit him! I wouldn't want to play with this kind of man who mill make myself depressed! Njooooooo |
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:55:09 -
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There was an important point a couple of posts above ... as a solo player you need a theme for yourself to follow. Then choose the best ship for that and (reasonably) max out skills needed for ship/theme. Without a theme or better engagement strategy you are lost in space and fights/kills are meaningless IMO. For example I used to hunt FW missioners, so ignoring (almost) everything else, focusing on only hunting those around FW space. Consequently I did this in a combat ceptor with two fits, one for Stealth Bombers (long point, sebo) and stabbed farmers (double scram). Then another theme was/is to fly a cheap T1 frig and try killing other frigs of higher value like faction frigs or ceptors, a lot harder but possible with good support skills if you pick the right opponents. Currently I like to fly a Svipul with combat probes killing people feeling safe on a safe . Find a theme for you, choose the best tool/ship and get good at it.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
21
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:04:43 -
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And don't fear losing ships, buy 10 T1 frig of your choice, go get it blown up, repeat. If at the end you managed to kill something with it then you can be happy and go again and again and again. the more you fly a ship the best you know it and what it can do/engage. Then go on bigger stuff like t2 or faction. Once you have masterised a ship, don't hesitate taking it to its maximum by putting some bling on it (if you got the wealth of course).
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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Talurion
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2015.06.24 23:34:04 -
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Just join pandemic horde or waffles. Ah, start to practise on test server asking in local for 1vs1 with t1 frigate, destroyer or wathever u like
It is now pl/n3, not PL/N3 (sacrificed all their caps)
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.06.24 23:48:07 -
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Mr Duffo wrote:No please do not recruit him! I wouldn't want to play with this kind of man who mill make myself depressed! Njooooooo <3 your vids though.
Lucy Callagan wrote:buy 80 T1 frig of your choice, go get it blown up, repeat. Fixed.
My problem right now is just getting the balance of fitting expenses and income worked out. I bought in way too low on the modules, so most fights I get in are over before I get target lock. I can multiply my fitting expenses by 10 to get myself on par, so long as I gain confidence in my income solution.
Though I'll admit - it's hard to keep throwing yourself into the meatgrinder when you decide to just do a nearby combat site for giggles, and it escalates into a 100M ISK drone faction drop. |
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