Final blows, weapon type, 2011 only, PVP only:

Group:
Projectile Weapon1,455,484
Energy Weapon392,605
Hybrid Weapon250,858
Combat Drone221,329
Heavy Missile203,896

Type:
425mm AutoCannon II388,602
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II207,378
200mm AutoCannon II163,613
150mm Light AutoCannon II144,349
720mm Howitzer Artillery II136,879

By ship type scoring the final blow:
Hurricane378,864
Drake272,204
Sabre124,472
Dramiel118,128
Vagabond117,136
Cynabal113,905
Abaddon80,659
Tengu79,493
Harbinger71,286
Rifter67,721

272k drakes and 80k tengus only making 200k final blows with missiles? What am I missing here?

I would presume because HMLs have the slowest volly speed. They just hit fewer times to do their damage, so have less random chances to get the KB.

Learn to interprete statistics properly. AC's have the fastest rate of fire, on the Hurri even bonused. Now with which weapon is it more likely to land a final blow, a slow firing or a fast firing one?

Regarding that, BC's are the most flown ships in PvP probably, so it is not surprising that the hurri lies before the Drake in final blows, it just fires faster. Dramiel has been nerfed so its use will decline over time. Vagabond and Cynabal were always preferred for small and solo warfare because of their speed, I am sure they were always at the top.

Other than that, nothing surprising shown.

Learn to interprete statistics properly. AC's have the fastest rate of fire, on the Hurri even bonused. Now with which weapon is it more likely to land a final blow, a slow firing or a fast firing one?

Yes, its over. If you continue to argue after this point, get out a marker and write the word 'irrational' across your forehead.

Now, how do we buff the other races up to par, without having to nerf Matar into the Stone Age?

Here are the cold, hard facts:
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This is incorrect. In a series of tests against targets with random HP numbers, the higher dps weapon will always score more final blows. This is basic probability.

I don't dispute these facts, but they were before the Hybrid boost. Do you really believe we should be nerfing Minmatar into the stone age on the heels of a buff we haven't fully evaluated? From my perspective (blog post is still incoming), the playing field is much more even than people are giving it credit for.

-Liang

No, as I have said many times: 1) we should play out the hybrid buff first, and 2) I DONT think Matar should be nerfed if it can be helped. I prefer buffs to balance. I thought I said position 2 in the OP...

Projectiles are so high up because EVERYONE USES THEM. Its a simple fact like that that proves they are imbalanced.

[Either of these would nerf minmatar to be unplayable. Lack of mobility of the ships with the weakest tank in the game = dead. Lack of range to to keep out of brawl range on ships with the weakest tank = dead. This would nerf Minmatar back to 3+ years ago when they were the laughing stock of eve.

The troll is over.

Yes, its over. If you continue to troll after this point, get out a marker and write the word 'trollingtrolleyMcTrolleypants' across your forehead.

Now, how do we use the forums, without having to hear trolls with logic and intellect straight out of the Stone Age?

Here are the cold, hard facts:

Forum user with a username designed for posting?
Emily Poast, check.

Starting threads with posts that focus primarily on assaulting the audience instead of discussion/information?
*looks up*, check.

Posing questions and then never attempting to answer them or even touch on them despite them being the only actual content in the OP?
*looks up*, check.

You keep trying to convince people that because something is flown the most means that it is imballanced. This just isn't the case. It means that it is the most popular.

If you can find me some statistics that show the Cane is the least killed (and others on that list) then that would potentially lead to them being overpowered and not just overflown. However, I'm willing to bet that Canes are most flown and most lost. This just shows that they are popular and easy to fly, not overpowered.

Remember, "everyone uses them" =/= overpowered. However, everyone uses them and hardly anyone dies in them would mean that they are overpowered.

Posting that anyone who disagrees with you is blah blah blah, etc... is just another spin tactic to brow beat others into supporting you regardless of facts.

Basically, nerf kiting ships.

Hybrids and lasers both need the same treatment to ammo that projectiles had. There are eight bands to hybrid ammo. That's just confusing. And it would be nice if Amarr had more choices then scorch or MF.

You keep trying to convince people that because something is flown the most means that it is imballanced. This just isn't the case. It means that it is the most popular.

If you can find me some statistics that show the Cane is the least killed (and others on that list) then that would potentially lead to them being overpowered and not just overflown. However, I'm willing to bet that Canes are most flown and most lost. This just shows that they are popular and easy to fly, not overpowered.

Remember, "everyone uses them" =/= overpowered. However, everyone uses them and hardly anyone dies in them would mean that they are overpowered.

Posting that anyone who disagrees with you is blah blah blah, etc... is just another spin tactic to brow beat others into supporting you regardless of facts.

In MMO, popularity is a direct correlation to relative (power, value, looks, whatever). People can choose what ships to fly. They dont choose to fly ships that increase their chance of losing. They fly the ones that increase the chance of winning. Its Darwinisim in action. If I can plumb the depths of my memory and dig up some sacreligios examples, I would say: 'Meltface' Shadow Priest, Affliction Warlocks, and Arms Warriors are perfect exmples from the game thatshallnotbenamed. Everbody respecced to those specs and they became hugely popular for a reason - they were horridly OP.

Again, I dont favor getting into an argument about it. Just hoping we can move on from this part of the discussion to something that is more productive - like balance.

Ipad typos wont be fixed. Sorry.

It comes mainly to fighting environment, in today's PvP of large fleets ad blobs, Minmatar are just good because of their ablity to escape (and alpha with arties which is handy in fleets). If it would be mainly small gangs, Gallente would be all over the place because this is where they shine, grab a Rapier in adition to some blasterships and go **** faces- it just doesnt work because its blob after blob today.

Not the fault of the weapon systems and ships, it's what the players make of the game. From my time of lowsec piracy, I remember the CEO always take out the Vindicator when something needed to die at the gate.

I would presume because HMLs have the slowest volly speed. They just hit fewer times to do their damage, so have less random chances to get the KB.

EDIT: may have some drone kills there? Not sure.

They already did. (Promised blog post - covers Deimos vs Vagabond and reopens the Rupture vs Thorax arguments. Also outlines why ECM drones are OP as hell).

-Liang

Minmatar ships need to have a weakness that can be exploited. As long as they are the fastest ships that can comfortably fight from out of web and scram range while having excellent anti-tackler defenses, they will always be more popular and dominant. They should commit to a fight just like everyone else. Basically, nerf kiting ships.

What would you suggest?