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testprix
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Posted - 2006.11.17 10:47:00 -
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Guys, mates , friends of eve online. I can understand it is very sad to see your new "toy" nerfed like this. But please, please understand a player , a player who skilled for a command ship for months, a player who has skilled high level battle ship for long months and who are not able to break fast the drake's tank AND who get a high amount of DPS against a bc class who dont neet really high skill, NO understand its not possible.
In my opinion the drake wasnt so powerfull in DPs but it is to much resistant. Now CCp oriented the drake to an amazing tanker but not an amazing damage dealer. Accept this please.
I see Drake win against command ship, i see drake tanked for eternity battle ship beginning to break there tank.
And me who have high SP in every skills a command ship need i am not able to destroy a drake in less 10 minutes ??!! Ok i use a tanker template also, but please mates i am un a Command ship ?? have you seen the difference skills people need beetween a command ship and a simple BC tiers 2 ?? Be serious one momment and accept this nerf. it is totaly logic.
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2006.11.17 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: testprix but please mates i am un a Command ship ?? have you seen the difference skills people need beetween a command ship and a simple BC tiers 2 ?? Be serious one momment and accept this nerf. it is totaly logic.
yeah, T2 ships should never have any trouble killing anything T1 ...
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Ceres Cherin
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Posted - 2006.11.17 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: testprix Guys, mates , friends of eve online. I can understand it is very sad to see your new "toy" nerfed like this. But please, please understand a player , a player who skilled for a command ship for months, a player who has skilled high level battle ship for long months and who are not able to break fast the drake's tank AND who get a high amount of DPS against a bc class who dont neet really high skill, NO understand its not possible.
In my opinion the drake wasnt so powerfull in DPs but it is to much resistant. Now CCp oriented the drake to an amazing tanker but not an amazing damage dealer. Accept this please.
I see Drake win against command ship, i see drake tanked for eternity battle ship beginning to break there tank.
And me who have high SP in every skills a command ship need i am not able to destroy a drake in less 10 minutes ??!! Ok i use a tanker template also, but please mates i am un a Command ship ?? have you seen the difference skills people need beetween a command ship and a simple BC tiers 2 ?? Be serious one momment and accept this nerf. it is totaly logic.
I find it very odd that you consider the Drake an 'amazing' tanker that your super leet command ship cannot kill, considering a Ferox is more or less the same tanking abilities. Golly gee, that means that the problem is on your end, isn't it?
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testprix
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:03:00 -
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it s the probleme of all people who spend a long time to skill T2 ship and have difficults to kill a T1 ship. Its not balaced to have a T1 bc ship with high amount of dps and 20K shield !!!
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Logan Xerxes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: testprix it s the probleme of all people who spend a long time to skill T2 ship and have difficults to kill a T1 ship. Its not balaced to have a T1 bc ship with high amount of dps and 20K shield !!!
Warp off? Unless he has a friend there's no way he could have a scrambler. Or hell, let's get radical, don't try to fly a solopwnmobile and bring some freinds along.
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Rorix Whitecloud
Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:12:00 -
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In reality, the Ferox probably has a better tank than a Drake... i dont see you complaining about that.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:15:00 -
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The Drake 'nerf' was a balance.
You had Blaster-Brutix DPS AND an insane tank which a even a good blasterthon pilot would struggle to break.
It was simply too much. Lets not forget this is only the second tier. They need room for progression.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:17:00 -
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The drake is not an ubertanker. Or if by some fitting trickery it is made to be one, you can point and laugh at it since it will not have enough grid to fit better than rockets and light rails.
For the record, torpedoes will kill BCs REAL fast. Especially those running multiple LSE's--bloated sig ftl.
And just to add to the wtfpwnmobile point, command ships are not intended for that role. Dangerous? Yes. Surviveable? Yes. Able to lay waste to everything around them? Not quite.
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Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:19:00 -
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WTF is wrong with people, something works really well and it's screwed up. Even though it wasn't t2 it was Tier 2 which means that it was meant to be better than it tier one brother.
The drake was'nt a great damage dealer before, I could out gun it in an amarr or minnie bc, plus the minnie bc has still got a bloody good tank on it.
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Ceres Cherin
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ceres Cherin on 17/11/2006 11:22:33
Originally by: Brolly WTF is wrong with people, something works really well and it's screwed up. Even though it wasn't t2 it was Tier 2 which means that it was meant to be better than it tier one brother.
The drake was'nt a great damage dealer before, I could out gun it in an amarr or minnie bc, plus the minnie bc has still got a bloody good tank on it.
Could it be that the tech2 ship is better? Note the OP's statement. 'It took me 10 minutes to kill em!'.
Um. You killed him in the end, didn't you? And don't forget all HPs are increased too! There's no reason to complain about a ship just because it's better than the existing one (for more cost) and somewhat comparable to your (still better) command ship.
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FalconHawk
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly WTF is wrong with people, something works really well and it's screwed up. Even though it wasn't t2 it was Tier 2 which means that it was meant to be better than it tier one brother.
sorry but Tier2 wasn¦t meant to be better than tier1, it¦s just there to fit in another role ... otherwise there would be no need for tier 1 anymore
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:24:00 -
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I'm sorry, I disagree. T2 _shouldn't_ be the I win button.
However what I was looking forward to in the Drake was a useful PvP ship - as it is, I tend to see Ravens and Crows, with the odd sprinkling of BBs and Scorpions in gangs. For cruiser/BC sized? Well, don't see many caldari on the field. Nor many Amarr for that matter.
*shrug* given all the flaming has gone from 'OMG UBER' to 'OMG SUCK' then I vaguely hold hopes that this latest might be reconsidered a bit too. Otherwise, well I have other stuff to be training up, BC skills can wait.
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Spiderweb
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: testprix
*What he wanted to say* Guys, mates , friends of eve online.
I trained for Command ship for so long, omfg why cant I one-shot t1 ships with my Tank setup? its only logic
Why people decide to call for nerfs to all other ships instead of buffing the obvious weakness in theirs ? Oh yes CCP is all nerf and no buffs so I guess people learn to adapt in CCPs game language.
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Aki Yamato
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:28:00 -
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Again again and again. Caldari already HAVE brutal tank with crap damge it's called FEROX.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:34:00 -
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Warp off? Unless he has a friend there's no way he could have a scrambler. Or hell, let's get radical, don't try to fly a solopwnmobile and bring some freinds along.
So you;re basically saying: gank him or don't fight him.
Yeh that's a great perspective to balance things. Can I have 10% per lvl armor resist on my Hyperion then? I mean, you can bring friends to kill me so it shouldn't be a problem then.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:08:00 -
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Let me write up a Tuxford program for you, in VB, no less.
Sub TuxBalance(Ship as EvEShip) if Ship.Race is not "Gallente" then GalShip = FindGallenteSameClassShip(Ship) if Ship.DPS > GalShip.DPS or Ship.Tanking > GalShip.Tanking then Nerf(Ship) end if else if Ship.Race is "Minmatar" then Nerf(Ship) ;Note that yes, this can result in a double nerf) end if end sub ----------------------------
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Cyberus
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:31:00 -
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I see only sad ppl who flys t2 hacs and command ships complaining over UNBRAKEBLE drake. STUT a f*** up guys!! There is only 1 thing what you ALL want and that is THAT ONLY YORS T2 HAC can kill any ship. Like its happence with BS's. I realy want to see in real how improved cruiser will kill the battleship. But sad enogh in eve is the actualy battleship is become an T2 cruiser
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:41:00 -
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Drake lost 1 turret, lots of PG and a good bonus.
The Drake had an easy time fitting 3-4 shield extenders and 7 turrets - The PG nerf is actually okay with me (and I've trieed it and gonna use it alot if it works descent)
The Kinetic damage is realistic, but I bet almost any caldari (myself included) is very dissapointed - if we have this bonus we want 7 launchers...
The Launcher - yeah, we want 7 launchers... We don't want powergrid to fit 7 HAM and 3 Large Shield Extender 2 without 1-2 RCU but we want the ability to chose the nasty passive tank or the nasty gank every gallente blaster pilot cries about...
keep the powergrid (people will have to think about fitting) but give us either the 7th launcher back or our RoF bonus... plz??
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:09:00 -
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Race: Caldari Ship: Drake
Tanking is devistating. Large Shield Extenders, cap batteries and a shield recharger. Hell, throw in a couple reactor controls and slap on them 7 heavies and something in the last high slot. I could tank long, and fire all 7. Something had to be done. Unfortunately like almost all nerfs the wrong direction.
I would love them to be tanks. More missile bonuses would lead to the build I just described as being still a tank and still a decent damage dealer.
I will have a screenshot for you if I remember. Unfortunately, My skills are not the highest. If I can do this, someone with better skills can do worse.
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Ynno
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Let me write up a Tuxford program for you, in VB, no less.
Sub TuxBalance(Ship as EvEShip) if Ship.Race is not "Gallente" then GalShip = FindGallenteSameClassShip(Ship) if Ship.DPS > GalShip.DPS or Ship.Tanking > GalShip.Tanking then Nerf(Ship) end if else if Ship.Race is "Minmatar" then Nerf(Ship) ;Note that yes, this can result in a double nerf) end if end sub
That program has tons of syntax errors.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ynno
Originally by: Nicocat Let me write up a Tuxford program for you, in VB, no less.
Sub TuxBalance(Ship as EvEShip) if Ship.Race is not "Gallente" then GalShip = FindGallenteSameClassShip(Ship) if Ship.DPS > GalShip.DPS or Ship.Tanking > GalShip.Tanking then Nerf(Ship) end if else if Ship.Race is "Minmatar" then Nerf(Ship) ;Note that yes, this can result in a double nerf) end if end sub
That program has tons of syntax errors.
Haha, thats funny, you get the point but thats funny.
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