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MRietfors
Caldari Scout And Mining inc
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:39:00 -
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Does anyone know if CCP will implement something to stop Macro Mining in Kali. |
ramptrick
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:13:00 -
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are you worried that you cant macro mine then?? hehehe!!
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:12:00 -
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They will be more untouchable then ever with the increase in hitpoints.
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StarFlyer59
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:55:00 -
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Actualy with the new warp to 0 on the test server and the insta docking ability on the test server, I would think macro mining has just become easier. Lol, fix one problem to creat the next. I do not envy their job. They have one heck of a full plate. =) |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:07:00 -
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Suicide gank with the 800k sp alts =P.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:22:00 -
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most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen? Izo Azlion.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:49:00 -
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Best and surest way to stop macromining and isk-sweat shopping is.....
.. to finally stop buying isk out of game and providing a market for them.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
It's perfectly legal, that is until they go to sell the isk OOG. Other than that, they are paying to play the game, it's what they do with the isk after that is a problem.
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swordslasher
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.19 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
That's an interesting question.
It's like, after watching someone's little daughter get hit by a mack truck, asking the road engineer: "So. you let this happen eh?" because he designed/built the road.
Devs can only control so much of what goes on in the game world without making it miserable for all of us.
Originally by: LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
What they do after they mine, refine and sell the minerals is where we get them, selling the isk for real life cash. This is the only part of the chain where game rules are being broken. But you can't just blame the sellers, blame the buyers aswell, without the buyers there is no market for isk. With no sellers, theres no tempation to buy.
The dealings of mass miners, isk farmers, sellers, etc is handled by the GM Team anyway, not by the Devs. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:28:00 -
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outlaw mining and ban all those who'll still mine
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
What they do after they mine, refine and sell the minerals is where we get them, selling the isk for real life cash. This is the only part of the chain where game rules are being broken. But you can't just blame the sellers, blame the buyers aswell, without the buyers there is no market for isk. With no sellers, theres no tempation to buy.
The dealings of mass miners, isk farmers, sellers, etc is handled by the GM Team anyway, not by the Devs.
What ever happened to the rule against sharing accounts?
Originally by: EULA You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:46:00 -
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How bout if you turn on auto-reject invitations, you cant have exception windows supressed. EVE throws a lot of minor and easily contained exceptions with almost everything that happens, so macrominers would be stuck with pop up windows that trap the client either way. may be a bad idea but im just brainstorming at this point. Gota make sure those exception windows are in a random location so tehy cant have an "OK" clicker built-in to the macro.
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yunger
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:23:00 -
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Mehh if they have been online 23/7 for a week ban them for sharing/there own best health. gues you need a good 20 hours of sleep on a week.
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Radix Salvilines
Virtual Democracy Intergalactic Freelance Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:41:00 -
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Well guys the only really efficient weapon to counter those scums is the EVE community. As a CEO of a corporation i recieve plenty of evemails like "hi, i have a wonderful offer for u and your corp blah blah blah, if u like to put your gameplay on a higher level blah blah blah use the code >xxxxxxx< on our site www.blahblahblah.com and you will get a 5% discount!!! And blah blah blah...". And instead of whinning what i do? I am imediately making a petition. In max 10 minutes i get the response from GM's like "Thank You for reporting this. The matter is being dealt with now."
And then i feel great. I added my small part into the fight against macrominers and cheaters and my small part into keeping this game so wonderful.
My ship's plating is running out of room of painted skulls symbolizing banned cheaters . Even if it was just an alt or trial character i got there with a petition before this dude could make more evemails.
This is how WE can help. There are now ways of getting rid of macrominers in other ways not limiting the "normal" player's freedom in EVE. So just drop it/stop whinning and when ull see some abuses petition it. Thats the way it should be done :)
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Aki Yamato
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:45:00 -
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Removing icefields from empire is imo good move againts MM.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr Mythical Ops The Scandinavian Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aki Yamato Removing icefields from empire is imo good move againts MM.
not really.. they are just emptying belts of everything else then.. hurting the genuine noobs who want to mine for their first frigs/whatever ....
imho banning them for account sharing must be the easyist thing in the world... shouldnt be so hard to spot users who is online 150+ hours pr week ....
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
I have only been saying this for about a year now, but everyone claimed that I was full of it.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
Until they're caught selling the isk or breaking they game, why wouldn't they?
If I pay a friend to play a dozen accounts to mine veld and make ISK for me, and I don't sell the isk (directly) for cash, it's not something the GMs are likely to jump all over.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Targovka
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Posted - 2006.11.19 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
What they do after they mine, refine and sell the minerals is where we get them, selling the isk for real life cash. This is the only part of the chain where game rules are being broken. But you can't just blame the sellers, blame the buyers aswell, without the buyers there is no market for isk. With no sellers, theres no tempation to buy.
The dealings of mass miners, isk farmers, sellers, etc is handled by the GM Team anyway, not by the Devs.
Those miners they play same accounts in 3-4 shifts 24 hours a day, same with NPC hunters sweatshops. Inst this banable offence to have multiple people play same account?
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CaptainSeafort
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2006.11.20 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon What they do after they mine, refine and sell the minerals is where we get them, selling the isk for real life cash. This is the only part of the chain where game rules are being broken.
i ddint want to get involved, but theres an obvious flaw in this argument.
its illegal to sell isks...unless they buy GTCs for isk, and then sell them for cash. they dont even need to get a good deal on GTCs, as they can be part of a laundering process. once again, allowing the purchase of GTCs for isk is one of the biggest mistakes CCP has made. EVER. and i mean even compared to the mistake of getting rid of 8x mwd scorps
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Daniel Jackson
Caldari Black Force
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Targovka
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Jiekon most of the "macro miners" are not actually macro miners, but sweatshop workers who are paid to mine all day long.
So you let this happen?
From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
What they do after they mine, refine and sell the minerals is where we get them, selling the isk for real life cash. This is the only part of the chain where game rules are being broken. But you can't just blame the sellers, blame the buyers aswell, without the buyers there is no market for isk. With no sellers, theres no tempation to buy.
The dealings of mass miners, isk farmers, sellers, etc is handled by the GM Team anyway, not by the Devs.
Those miners they play same accounts in 3-4 shifts 24 hours a day, same with NPC hunters sweatshops. Inst this banable offence to have multiple people play same account?
dude, u dont need any more then 2 sifts for a 24 houre day, 1 for day, 1 for night, personaly i play 18 houres a day, sometimes 20 houres a day, but hay i dont macro mine, i sit ther wathign roids spin, and ... "oo thers some strange ailans livign on that roid" then pop the roid is gone hehe. ___________________
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainSeafort i ddint want to get involved, but theres an obvious flaw in this argument.
its illegal to sell isks...unless they buy GTCs for isk, and then sell them for cash. they dont even need to get a good deal on GTCs, as they can be part of a laundering process. once again, allowing the purchase of GTCs for isk is one of the biggest mistakes CCP has made. EVER. and i mean even compared to the mistake of getting rid of 8x mwd scorps
GTCs have nothing to do with selling ISK for money. The money from a GTC sale goes to CCP, not to some miner somewhere.
You're going to have to prove causation with something more defined than "can be part of a laundering process" if you want to link the two.
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Naran Darkmood on 20/11/2006 11:40:49
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: CaptainSeafort i ddint want to get involved, but theres an obvious flaw in this argument.
its illegal to sell isks...unless they buy GTCs for isk, and then sell them for cash. they dont even need to get a good deal on GTCs, as they can be part of a laundering process. once again, allowing the purchase of GTCs for isk is one of the biggest mistakes CCP has made. EVER. and i mean even compared to the mistake of getting rid of 8x mwd scorps
GTCs have nothing to do with selling ISK for money. The money from a GTC sale goes to CCP, not to some miner somewhere.
You're going to have to prove causation with something more defined than "can be part of a laundering process" if you want to link the two.
GTC can be and are used to transfer ISK for RL money. Here is the way it works:
- Person A buys GTC from CCP for RL money. - Person A sells GTC for ISK to boost his Char - Person B buys GTC for ISK from Person A, because he has more ISK then he could care for (for whatever reasons) - Person B retails the GTC for RL money to Person C.
This way, Person B is converting ISK into real live money, if he has the infrastructre to retail the GTCs for RL money. If the money is from macro-mining, paying others to mine, complex-running, Tech2 Production or being lucky with multiple Offcier spawns in 0.0 doesn't really matter.
If CCP wants to allow GTC for ISK sales, to keep people playing that have no (easy) access to pay subscriptions otherwise, The straightest solution would be a tracking system which routes the GTCs are traded and just allow 2 transfers (CCP to Person A, Person A to Person B). How to implent this, I don't even want to think about...
Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
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Sheial Tarlien
Minmatar Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
What ever happened to the rule against sharing accounts?
How do they prove there sharing accounts if there "working" in one place the IP wont change enough.
Its just a different person on the same computer which the only real way to proove would be to go to where they work and knock on the door.
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