Originally by: VeniVici

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Originally by: Agent Li

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Hmm. I have three characters in my account, one of which I've been using and training for almost four weeks.

So, if I am somehow "behind" (I have about 450,000 sp right now, and increasing at 1255 SP/hour), I kill off one of the other two (that I haven't used), and recreate them, and they'll have 800K SP.

Then transfer the equipment and isk to the new character, and I'm done.

So, what's the downside for the guy making the complaint?

IMHO, I'm probably going to be ahead of 800K by the time Kali comes out with this.

Now, if I had 800K SP, and there was a way to pile it all into learning skills... but then I would be starting over again, just training faster.

I don't see the problem with any of this...

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The down side of course, is that you will not be any more effective than a new player. You will have a very minor advantage in terms of money and game knowledge, but otherwise you will be on the same level as someone who just started playing EVE. In essence you have paid for a month, just to get the isk/assets that you have. If you're fine with this, great, then you have no problem with this huge jump in character creation. I for one am not fine with it.

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Originally by: VeniVici

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Originally by: Qual

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Of course the smartest thing you could do, if you really think the new n00b chars are uber to your char, is just make a NEW char under Kali and tranfer all assets to it. Problem SOLVED! Yay!

PS. Sorry if I said something someone else have said too. Got sick of this thread around page two.

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A shame you don't want to read the thread because if you did you would realize that your great idea isn't even feasible. Rerolling means I lose all but the sellable assets I have, to keep going means that I am literally no better than a kali new player.

Anyways, since it seems there continue to be people who simply don't care about the cost (3 years playing...and you don't care whether 29 days of training is nullified by CCP... I'd never think that would be possible. What if CCP took away 2.5 years of your SP? would you care then?). I have gone and crunched numbers that include both the catchup gap between Kali and RMR, as well as the loss incurred for anyone who has trained the basic learning skills to level 5:

42 days after kali is released, the RMR character will be 92 days old. At this point the Kali character will have all skills the RMR did at release plus their bonus 800k. RMR will have had to spend 15 days learning the skills given to the Kali build. Also the RMR build would have trained Basic Level 5 learning skills to level V in 21.8 days, for a savings of 7.7 days every 4 months. Since Kali will not need to train these Level 5 skills they will miss out on this 7.7 day savings every 4 months.

92 (RMR total age)
-21.8 (the learning skills that Kali doesn't need to train)
+7.7 (4 month bonus in savings to RMR for training level V skills)
-15 (days needed for RMR to catch up to Kali)
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62.9 (RMR effective age)

That means RMR will have spent 92 - 62.9 = 29.1 days training skills for no purpose.

This loss affects all characters who have the basic learning skills to level 5 no matter what their age. Understandably 3 year old players won't care because no matter what CCP does they'll still be subscribers so this issue really doesn't affect you.

Yes the options are:

a) Reroll at kali meaning you lose 20.9 days (plus however much/less old you are than the OP [50 days old at kali release]) of training and any implants and standing that you have

b) Keep going, accepting that you've spent 29.1 days training skills that CCP has kindly eliminated the need for

c) Leave, thumb your nose at CCP for not being open with their changes, or for ensuring their changes don't adversly affect existing users or especially new adopters

Take you pick. They all look like very promising choices..no?

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