My biggest gripe is that EvE in windowed mode now dominates over all other programs. Nothing can be moved on top, browsers, team-speak, not even the damn launcher itself. Seriously, It's already ****ing me off big time. Anyone know a solution??

We are aware of issues at 90% UI Scaling and we are looking at better ways to handle this.
The issue is with UI Scaling and not the new icons.

I'm also curious to hear more from, and maybe wasn't aware of how many users played with a 90% downscaled UI (as opposed to scaling up for accessibility reasons.) What are your reasons for doing so?

relying on color for icons to be distinguishable is a questionable UI design strategy

All the art and coding people you devoted to making new complex and confusing icons for the overview could have been allocated instead to toning the damn nebulae, clouds, and suns down so that they don't saturate our screens and destroy our retinas.

You really are so lucky the core of this game is so good, otherwise the thousand papercuts you are constantly introducing to the game would kill it.

Straight out no.

Veteran: "Since we are in a fleet, and you're in a small ship, you need to shoot at the enemy frigates first"
Newbie: "Just to be sure, frigates are the small triangles?"
Veteran: "No, they are small crosses."
Newbie: "But I never saw small crosses on the overview?"

Please take the time and effort to make the UI still look pretty when it's scaled. I also certainly wouldn't complain if you gave the option to make it smaller than just 90%.

Their complaint is probably based more on the look of the icons as they are single coloured rather then the old set we had.

Old Neocom

Biggest example I can give is when your in a fleet fight. As everyone knows, when using the old icons, the bigger the "box" was the higher class ship it was. Frig- smallest box, Cap- biggest box. When using the icons as the filter on your overview it would put either the biggest box or smallest box at the top of your overview list, making it easier for an individual in small gang fleets to recognize what might be the enemies "tackle" (frig - small boxes) and what might be there "primary DPS" (battle ships - big boxes). With the new icons, we have lost the ability to do this because they don't fallow the same filter.

Yes.

I'd also like to be able to colour code it and colour code the dscanner read out :)
It would also help immensely if the chat windows could be border-less (so that only the actual text in would take up space) and some other other solution to displaying who's in them could be found.

I cannot believe that my gaming community is being so ridiculous about the new icons. They are a great idea and I personally think they look awesome. To provide more data about your surroundings at a glance to any player, regardless of time in the game, IS a good idea and I think you have accomplished that. I can't honestly believe that all the ridiculous posts in this thread represent the majority of our community. So from the other side of the coin, great job CCP the icons look great!

We're definitely still keeping tabs on this thread and assessing the situation. Just don't expect any knee-jerk reactions from us so soon.

Maybe it is a wording issue, but it feels like you perceive this situation as a kind of a fight.

This is natural for any creative person, but please understand that the players are here not to rub a dev ego. Or, for that matter, to hurt it.

In a way, it's hilarious to see people threatening to leave over icons.

The name of your corpo : Drinking in station...
For that indeed i bet the new icons are perfectly fine.

All they need is to make all drones x's again. Then anything on your grid that's pointy is a ship. Bigger pointies are bigger ships. It becomes much more manageable this way.

Your brain will process color even faster than it processes shape or tries to analyze size of similar shapes. Color is the FIRST thing that should be used to differentiate NPCs so that your brain can filter them out in a pinch. In fact I think if you're not utilizing the already-existing option to color things in your overview based on player/npc, you're doing ithings slightly wrong. Not to say everything now is good and dandy. Just that you're shooting yourself in the foot subtly already.

Exactly, the color recognition, I hated the neocom change to all one color. I was used to aiming for a button of a certian color when i wanted my ship fitting, or my wallet, or market, etc.. then I had to actually pay attention to what order things were in. That took a while to adapt to, but I worked it out since the neocom isn't used as often for me as my overview. The overview,, well, i've voiced my opion on that mess already, no need to rehash it

Well, to be fair and as devs have said in the past, it is hard to read and respond to bad reviews. However, just because the devs aren't responding every hour doesn't mean these guys aren't reading our posts. I'm willing to bet CCP higher ups are talking about our responses as well and want a solution just like us pod pilots.

Just don't expect CCP to respond in this thread all the time. They have work to do and cant spend all of their time reading the forums. If all they did was respond to every special snowflakes post, the icons would never get fixed.

If you can't make it work with the existing game modes/features, don't release it.

It becomes more and more clear to me that developers simply do not have the time to work on features properly because management thinks it is a great idea to poop out content faster than they can eat. Case and proof for that: https://updates.eveonline.com/ . Do you remember when we had a lot of patches in the future? Now we barely see the next one with meagre features. Not only seems CCP to have run dry on content that can be delivered, but they're caught neck deep in the problems of previous patches.
Next, if we look at devblogs... there is nothing on the horizon. What will happen after fozzysov is deployed completely? Where are Eve's goals?

I'd be inclined to agree. I can see why having separate icons for the different types of capitals would be helpful though. In a big capital fight if you want to go after titans first then you could quickly sort them in the overview. But this could also be accomplished if we could specify secondary sorting parameters. Sort by icons primary, sort by type secondary... to lump titans together within the capital icon group. Though I don't really know what capital fights are like to be honest, or massive fleet fights in general.

The new release cadence is fine. Greater release intervals would result in a much reduced flexibility, making it harder to fix problems, introduce new features or alter existing ones. People who are unfamiliar with professional software development might disagree, but I am working in this business for more than 20 years and know exactly what I am talking about.

I got an answer about the Icons.

I was told.... that I need to contact the CSM about the icons

So, the CSM has more control over the direction of icons than CCP.

There will be a blog coming out once we have dotted the i's and crossed the t's where we will explain