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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:23:25 -
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I can play the game with the icone changes. I get more informations than before on field while PvPing withg the icone changes.
How can I get more informationq with changes then others crying louder than they can't see **** ? How can you tell that empty squares before were better than ACTUAL icones today ? I can't get it.
If you're mad enough about it that you're ready to quit playing Eve Online, then bye. Good riddance. Maybe the game will evolve faster without those stubborn players sitting on their quirks and can't frucking adapt. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:39:54 -
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Constantin Makanen wrote:The problem is, EVE has to evolve even more, because ED and Star Citizen are powerful competitors. We will see, what will happen in the long term.
Those games are not a threat for Eve Online.
Star Citizens battlegrounds or whatever name they call them is no match with Eve Online "open PvP" (yeah ok TiDi, but still instances versus open world = no match).
Elite Dangerous is more kind of a Space Simulator. same thing compared to Eve Online, EG has phased Solar Systems, you can be in a solar system but you won't see your friend that is in the same solar system, unless you group or chose the same 'phase' = no match.
But that doesn't mean CCP has to stand there and do nothing, and i'm glad that's not what they're doing.
Steijn wrote:I think you need to look up the meaning of the word Evolve, because the last time i looked, it didnt mean drive your subscribers to 1 of your competitors
Sources ?
Actually to all of you threatening CCP to quit the game, do you even know how many you are ? You're all saying that CCP don't listen to players, but how many are ACTUALLY not ok with those icone changes ? |
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Alea wrote:If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do if the game is now unplayable for those people, Eve is heading in a direction that I don't like so I'm going to play other games instead and hope in the future the old style icons make a comeback, if not that's OK too as I had allot of fun the past 12 years.
They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes. If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:47:43 -
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Steijn wrote:I, like many others, use the UI at 90% scaling. CCP have admitted this doesnt currently work, and may never work properly in the future. So why should i stay?
Then be happy :
Quote:Next Steps
The new icons brought major change to the way in-space entities are represented in EVEGÇÖs UI, but weGÇÖve also identified several areas of improvement thanks to your feedback. Here are the top items on our list to tackle:
Improve Scaling issues
WeGÇÖre looking at way to make the icons more useable at 90% scale in the short term while a longer-term technical solution to UI scaling is being developed.
This is a quote from new DevBlog : http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/?_ga=1.9560368.424513548.1429377739
Not only will they work on that 90% scale, but we might even be able to personaliaze the scale, maybe with a slidebar between various pourcentages.
Constantin Makanen wrote:The truth is, the problems are about habits and not improvements.
I know right. :/ |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:50:45 -
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Steijn wrote:If they listened to the SiSi feedback, why did they release the icons onto TQ?
That's the only valid remark imo. Yes, that was NOT professional AT ALL, to release something that's not finished/polished. But it's done... There's no reason to cry about it and yelling "that's unforgivable blabla i quit..." that's a spoiled kid attitude to be honest.
They did a error yes, blame them for THAT error, not the icones.
Steijn wrote:so not been able to see an overview clearly is a habit and not the fault of the icons?
I am seeing perfectly with the new icone. Now what ? Why i am perfectly ok with new icones, and you're not ? |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 17:47:53 -
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Alea wrote:No they didn't listen as they went ahead and put the icons on TQ knowing that they didn't work from the feedback they received from SISI so now CCP is trying to find a way for them to work for everybody and during that period of time I will not continue to give them money.
If they rollback that's good, if they make the old icons an option even better as there are a few who do like them but if the new icons stay I'm not going to play any longer and I'm OK with that as I had a blast since 2003.
I'm agree they should've not released it yet. But still it's out. And they listened since they gonna make improvements on next release.
Alea wrote:If they rollback that's good, if they make the old icons an option even better as there are a few who do like them but if the new icons stay I'm not going to play any longer and I'm OK with that as I had a blast since 2003.
If you quit the game because they were unprofessional by releasing the feature that soon, i can understand. If you quit the game because you want your dear icones back, i don't, and honestly, you're a good riddance. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:11:26 -
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Panterata wrote:I think we must clear something here. Everyone note that the new icons are ugly.
But majority of the ppl here are screaming only the for the PVP and PVE icons which must be like to old once
No one cares about the new icons for belts, stations, gates, start etc etc
Everyone ? Majority ? No one ?
What are your sources ? |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:17:46 -
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Panterata wrote:yes yes yes
The source is from the page 1 - 98 of this thread
Let's just imagine that those 1.953 replys in this very Thread is 1 single player from Eve Online, each and every post are from 1 single player different from one another.
Then let's imagine that each and every single post in this very Thread are all demanding CCP to roll back or complaining about the changes.
That makes 1.953 players out of 32.627 players online right now as i'm writing this. Let's now divide that number by 3 to deal with "alts" = That's still onlu 11.000 people.
That's not everyone. That's not the majority. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:22:05 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Mmmm.... there was a survey in Russian land showing pretty much everyone of them hated the icons. Everyone i know hates the icons. Of all the responses I have seen on the english forums there are only a few fanibois such as yourself whiteknighting CCP's broken content. SO admittedly its still anecdotal, but in the absence of one of CCP's own surveys, the proof is pretty clear, the icons suck. and beyond sucking are game breaking for many, myself included.
I've already responsed to you. 1 single survey in a Russian-speaking forum do not represent the whole Eve Online players.
That's one group of players among one froum community among the Russian-speaking community among the Eve Onlinbe community. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Usually the most dedicated, invested players respond on the forums. The ones who aren't so dedicated, when they get frustrated with a game they just log off and dont return. Hmm, I wonder why we have lower subscription numbers and concurrent users then in the past?
Just as the most satisfied ones won't come here to express their joy. As far as subscription numbers are concerned you still have no numbers to prove your statement.
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:So do a survey and prove us wrong. Your one faiboi against the tide. So by your logic your points are irrelevant. I guess your right... Your one person with an obviously aberrant view point. You should be ignored.
I don't need to, CCP will keep the changes as it is, but i might've done something if they had fall on their knees to some whinings. I'm glad they're smarter than that.
Yeah, as long as a point do fit with yours that's aberrant and it should be ignored.
So if i would act like you, and think like you, i would say that everybody that is not satisfied with the changes is intolerant and close minded ? I'm glad to have had parents who taught me anything. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:33:48 -
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Panterata wrote:You know that can be check easy.
You can ask 32 627 players personally and make a statistic
For myself you can see that I write in the forums very rare. Only on this thread I writing a lot. And if I'm writing this mean definitely something is wrong with the game
Just like me, i don't write that much, and i'm here to defend these changes.
So, does it mean that there is nothing wrong with the changes ?
Seriously.. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:48:03 -
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Panterata wrote:Ok probably you are not the only one who defend these changes but I will repeat myself again. Check from first page to the end. Check how many ppl are not ok with this changes. Look how many positive and negative feedback you have (likes and dislikes also). And the you will realize for sure that everything with these icons is wrong and majority of the ppl don't want them. EDIT: And just to make more easy for you - http://www.eve-search.com/stats/thread/427590-1
I'm sorry, but those statistics show nothing at all. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:50:40 -
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Rio Bravo wrote:Not to mention, if your happy...why would you log in to complain?
The correct sentence would be "If you're happy why would you log in to say you're satisfied" :D
Yes, precisely. I'm the only idiot doing so. :'( |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 19:56:13 -
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Orm Magnustat wrote:Statistics for TrollsSome of you trolls in this thread keep asking for "numbers", "hard evidence" and other reasonable things (while rejecting survey results and the general tendencies of 2 really large feedback threads ...). Your tendency is, as you like all the changes, that the majority probably is the same and all those loud complainers should harden the **** up or gtfo. All the while its not that you support your assumptions with any hard numers yourself (as you demand from the other side). Now please take a look at hard numbers about customer satisfaction: Just have a look at the Eve-offline site that monitors server load for our wonderful game. Lets go through the graphs for Tranquility for the past year. Start with the one year graph, then slowly move downward till you reach the one month graph..... any more questions about customer satisfaction? For those that get easily confused by all those up and downs and peaks - just look at the average for each graph, those averages go down from 38k to 23k average players online for the different timescales. You selfcentered bitches better start praying that CCP actually begins to listen to the "complainers" that actually still care to come to the forums - if not, I'm afraid our beloved game will go shitcreek downwards .... cause more than one third of last years playerbase HAS already gtfo. And unlike you, personally I-¦m not happy about it.
1. Surveys made in one forum russian-speaking forum, with the participation of SOME of the forum subscriber, among the Russian-speaking community, among the Eve Online community DO NOT represent the whole Eve Online players.
2. 100 pages in a Thread asking for feedbacks is not representative of 100% of the Eve Online community. What about that 400 long pages thread about Jump Fatigue ? Did it make people unsubscribe ? Maybe. Maybe not. Only CCP has the numbers about that.
3. That site http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility only shows something seen every year : during June/July people tend to play less Eve Online due to multiple causes : - Study test - Warm weather / More Sunlights. - Holidays. - Whats-not...etc..
4. Even if i can admit that numbers are goin down over the time, that's the case since February / March 2014 which is : - BEFORE new reealse calendar. - BEFORE Jump Fatigue - BEFORE Sov changes. - BEFORE UI revamp. - BEFORE Icone revamp. That does not tell AT ALL that this or that change is the cause of those numbers goin down.
5. Those are numbers of people actually ONLINE and not the number of subscriptions. I have more than one account, for now i only use one. How many of other players are in the same position as me right now ? Plus, the skill changes can leave an account payed for several mounth with no needs to log in as you've set a 6 months skill queue.
6. I wonder who are the selfcentered people : - The one thinking that their opinions are what the majority of Eve Online players think, or - The one that stands before spoiled kids who want their TOY BACK NAOO. ?
I'm not happy either with the overall numbers goin downward, but the recent changes since last November aren't necesserally the cause of this.
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Natya Mebelle wrote:Please stop embarrassing yourself. If you would have even bothered to look at the statistic, you would have seen a RISE in player count during summer on certain years. Your argument holds no water.
Also, I'm getting really frustrated at the frequency of your righteous-like crusade. What is your goal? You achieve nothing. Everything you say, has been said by others, and mostly debunked as well.
You are not better than Rio Bravo. There have been a lot more useful and constructive posts from people who like the changes. But at least even those admitted that there would have been a better way to go with it.
So what is your goal? Trying to prove us wrong? Then you are missing the point. You only discuss for discussion's sake and that is the worst part of it.
I can put anything you have said since your first post in the topic of the new devblog, and not only turn it against you, but debunk it. Why did I decide against it? because that is not the point. This is not a fight about who is right or who is wrong. This is not about who should play the game in which way.
I don't feel embarassed at all. Just like i said if one year over 10 there's no decrese of connections, that's not a proof. :)
My goal is to show that there are other people that are OK with the new icone set. My goal is to show to people claiming they are the "majority" or they represent "everyone" that they are wrong. My goal was to show that arguing about the icone themselvs instead of the WAY CCP released them is a false battle. Maybe i went wrong on that last one by answering to some people here, i agree that it did not help to go forward on that topic.
Also :
http://i.imgur.com/QHvv3CK.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/Ljd4GAM.png
Constructive enough ? Also, i said multiple things in this thread : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=430496
Aside the "attacks" against me, I am deeply agree with the rest of your post. CCP did wrong by releasing this 'feature' that early.
But now that it's done, let's just help them with what could/should be improved. And stop whining. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:22:52 -
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Sky Marshal wrote:1. I don't understand your point, unless you consider than russian players are different from other countries or that there aren't playing with the same game mechanics than us. I know that it is frequent that a poll is rejected when his result isn't acceptable, but generally it is to stay blind of the situation. We often do that in France, to keep ourselves blind about the continuous rising of the extreme-right wing (1000 persons isn't enough to represent a country, yeah yeah... Like the 1M people in the street who represent no one, as the "silent majority" agrees to the change by staying at home... I agree, our politicians are very good humorists)... 2. Indeed, but that don't mean that the silent majority is happy of this change just because they are silent on the official forum. The poll is a proof of it and was exposed here to counter this argument. 3. and 5. Already answered by previous posts of players here. Quote:I'm not happy either with the overall numbers goin downward, but the recent changes since last November aren't necesserally the cause of this. Ah, I do agree. I think that the expansions of the last semester of 2013 was the start of the decline process. If you check the newborn graph, we can see that there was a decent amount of new players at end 2013, who probably hide the decline by the new logged players it offered. Until it wasn't enough to hide it starting 02/14... It is probably that, because we can't say that the competitors was the problem. ED was released only at end 2014 and Star Citizen isn't released before 2016, so they can't be the reason.
1. If you can't understand my point i won't repeat it. Sorry. It could be german or australians, my answer would've been the same.
2. In point 1., i'm showing you that this poll is irrelevent. Just like the argument saying that every other people not posting here is absolutly satisfied with the changes. Either side has no numbers at all to proove anything about their representativity whatsoever.
3.4.5. This site show nothing at all ABOUT the changes. That's a general downward trend that started before the new release calendar. There is no correlation.
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:37:58 -
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Orm Magnustat wrote:Dont misunderstand - the "selfcentered bitches" in my post didnt refer to the people who like or dislike some of the recent changes. Each of those surely have their valid and personal arguments and many of them debate about the pros and cons and possible solutions/compromises in a most civilized manner in this thread.
I only refered to the thread-trolls, that flaunt their little egos regardless of the damage they bring to such necessary discussions and the cause behind it. They dont care about the game or their fellow players, as long as they can have some personal fun in instigating anger and mischief with however poor arguments or haughty attitudes.
Sadly the ISD doesnt care to shoot them - perhaps because they seem to be the last ones in this thread that still champion the "change above everything" idea .......
The rest of your points was so ..... beyond argumentation, that I-¦ll just give you the hint to look at the 5 year statistics before rambling about "seasonal" fluctuations - the game is about to hit a 5 year low, even during the much hyped Icarna crisis it looked healthy in comparison. And "looking at the 1 year statistics" doesnt mean there has to be a one year trend - on the contrary, it just allows you to see very clearly that the real dive begins like 6 months ago (very well accompanying some of your quoted changes). I
You are right, "spoiled kids" is too much even if i was responding to "selfcentered bitches".
I've looked at those graphs, and sorry but from my point of view the downward trend start before PCU 14 (early february 2014) which is 3 months after Rubicon realease if i'm correct, so for my point of view, there is no correlation between this trend and recent changes CCP had done.
Which i'm more afraid of is that there's no interest growing for potential NEW players. Despite GFX changes, despite rookie "tutorial" changes, despite "This is Eve" trailer. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:52:38 -
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Iphigeneia wrote:Obviously, because not everyone is you. Please, for the love of whatever you worship, stop assuming that because it works for you, it must therefore work exactly the same for everyone else.
Your posts are so narrow-minded it astonishes me.
I just showing that their argument is as bad as mine.
Stating "i'm distinguishing less than before with those changes" is as stupid as stating "i'm sayin more than before". By doing so i'm poiting out that if you're distinguishing less and me more, who is right ? Noone. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 22:11:12 -
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Iphigeneia wrote:NEITHER GROUP IS WRONG.
The only thing i've done here is responding to people saying ROLL BACK with no arguments, sayin they are the majority. I should've ignored those one and focus on the content. |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 22:33:52 -
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I'm kinda skeptical about that customizable icone they would give to us. Remember they tokk us away the RGB sliders for UI ? I'm still mad about it :'( |
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Posted - 2015.06.21 22:42:57 -
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Rio Bravo wrote:Cleanse Serce wrote:I'm kinda skeptical about that customizable icone they would give to us. Remember they tokk us away the RGB sliders for UI ? I'm still mad about it :'( RGB Sliders? What was that?
Before UI revamp we had sliders to precisely chose the color of the different part of UI. |
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:17:33 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote: Thanks for sharing this blog. GÖÑ |
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Dino Zavr wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: Like I said. I am still trying to engage both you and CCP on this subject. But I am not the string and tin cans so you can yell at CCP through me. The good news is that I am not running for CSM XI so you have less than a year left of my useless ass and then you will have the full attention of the other CSM . . . .
Hi, Mike I still hope the issue with new icons set is still on the table, because of theirs rather massive anticipation. It would be great if CSM offer CCP to make icon sets customizable, just because these are just sprites loaded at the client's side, no code or protocols modifications necessary. This sloution will leave most of players happy. Thise who love new icons would use them, those who prefer old icons would be able to use the old ones. This is just that simple. Overview still needs at least 5 more tabs, and way more foreground/background colors. Also there is a special tread devoted to overview usage for colorblind players, it would be great to convince CCP to proceed with setups for such players in question. Please, confirm the peaceful conflict resolution is still possible, as the icons issue is not resolved properly yet. Thanks.
It is not that simple, if ever they chose to give the players customizable UI, wich i strongly doubt given that they took RGB sliders away from us, they gonna have to do it the entire way.
I mean not only the icones themselvs, but colors of them, standing icones also, combat timers, relationship icones, where to place them, how many of them, glowing effects, bling effects, what do you want display, what you don't, etc, etc.
That means working on a full scalable set as well, not only 90% 100% 110% but any kind of scale.
That is a HUGE job in order to have something usefull overall. I don't want to have a customizable tool if the only customizable thing is to be able to draw my own icones in paint... i want the whole thing, and that won't happen any time soon, if it ever happen at all. |
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:09:11 -
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Louanne Barros wrote:Panterata wrote:CCP devs
We are waiting your reply Reddit appears to be the best place to get a CCP response, unfortunately.
Can you share a link of one post they've been active recently ? |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:22:49 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:Hmmm, new patch today, related to this last rollout, or prep for the next one?
I've read somewhere that tuesday will patch something about icones, can't recall the post though. |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:31:57 -
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There should be a "patch note" even for tiny patches |
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Altrue wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Drones:
- We are going to reduce the number of icons for drones and change the icon so it is not similar to a ship icon.
Player/NPC distinction:
- We are going to increase the fill on NPC ships and for friendly NPC ships add a blue tint.
Aww that's great news! May I suggest for you to change the wreck icon to be less similar to a ship icon while you are at it?
And match Emptyness / fill of an item (wreck vs containers)
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:26:27 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Joe Gormley wrote:What is the reasoning for blue???
Blue is kind of a special colour in game... When I say blue, I mean teal maybe?
That might be a problem for colorblind players.
+10 standing = dark blue +5 standing = light blue NPC = teal Limited Engagement = Cyan
You'll wait for their feedback, but i'm sure there're gonna be issues :p |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 19:08:43 -
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Altrue wrote: When is there not a problem for colorblind players?
You need to keep in mind that +10, +5 and limited engagement are customizablemeaning if there is any issue they can fix it themselves. That's what customization is for.
Besides, there is a difference between the color of an icon, and the background color of an icon.
Yes that can be customized, yes they can change color if there're any problems, and yes icone color is different than a shape color.
http://i.imgur.com/rE6ZQAX.png?1
But as you can see in this PBG i've just made, "teal" is quite close to white for them, i'm not sure they gonna be able to make a difference "at-a-glance". I'm just asking directly to them. I might be wrong, CCP will need feedback anyway. :) |
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Jared Tobin wrote:Actually, that is not true, nor is the image you show accurate. Blue and teal subtract some greens and whites, but the closer you shift from blue, MOST (not all) color blind variants will see a less "deep" blue, and it will be a soft blue or even a not-so-deep "purple/mauve/periwinkle" type of color. The only way for blue to be white when a person is also unable to differentiate green and red would be for the person to sadly suffer the rarest and most "close to actual definition" of the term "color blindness": total inability to see any color: "achromatopsia" (monochromacy): the complete inability to see color. The eyes of "color blind" sufferers also adapt under various conditions. The light around them, are they in a room or outdoors? So they have a window allowing sunlight in while viewing a monitor, or are they in the dark? These do add complications to making a pick of a specific color, as individuals' eyes learn to adapt to sometimes shift the color interpretation differently than they "normally" see color shifts. That would be the only reason, in my mind for utilitarian purposes only, to need slider RGB adjustments: so that people can adjust the colors to their own perceived light. I believe this is discussed on the site I mentioned in my previous response, with the adjustments and variations upon light conditions and color perception changes on the several Color Blindness sites, especially Wikipedia's page of Color Blindess, subsection on perception and DESIGN IMPLICATIONS. What is not 'true' ? I'm saying so many things.
"Teal is close to white" don't mean "Teal is white". The image i show is accurate, that's a color filter used in graphics to precisely see what colorblind people would see. I know the filter can't be 100% accurate cause each and every colorblinds have their own strength but it gives an idea to the designer. I might even add that colorblind people can distinguish more shades in yellows and blues that we not-colorblind people see because they live with and learnt to. Just like Greenland true people would see way more shades in the whites than us.
I'm agree, best thing would be to have RGB sliders, but as i said before, since they took that away from us with the UI re-vamp, i'm afraid it won't happen anytime soon, if ever.
So best thing is to ask them if this teal tint on NPC is changing anything at all or not. My belief is, i might be wrong, that in the heat of a battle, if ever it happen near friendly NPCs, this 'teal tint' might be too 'light' for them to distinguish from white shapes clutter. (even if that's light grey more than white, anyway)..
Darkblad wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Joe Gormley wrote:What is the reasoning for blue???
Blue is kind of a special colour in game... When I say blue, I mean teal maybe? So probably like this? Yes that's how i understood CCP Claymore. |
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Jared Tobin wrote: I suppose I'm comparing your "Teal" to their "pencil example". For that purpose, I "shifted" your "teal" closest to the color of the "2nd from left pencil" in their comparative "Pencil" example. If you notice, the color of an off-blue ("teal") shifts to a grayer tone of that color into the violet range, but it still retains more color than your picture example displays. Hey, no worries, it may have been in the saving of your color table in the file of your example.
That is all. No offense intended. Don't worry, I will not expound on the scrutiny of your example any further.
This really needs to be left now in the hands (and eyes) of Dev CCP Claymore and his ilk.
Bottom line: the "blues" (wavelengths) of the spectrum are the best bet for most color blind people when thinking of redesigning, if custom RGB sliders are not "doable".
Yes, that's what i was saying as well, it depends a lot of the environment, in space (mostly black background) mixed with other brackets / color tags (corp/alliance/engagements), targetting boxes, etcetera, it might be to light to distinguish the difference for them. Same difference between my example and your pencils = environment matters.
I can't wait to have their feedbacks when it comes live on SiSI ! :) |
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Panterata wrote:Copy - Paste
CCP Claymore
So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply
Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2109 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks
They already answered to this question days ago.
Simple answer is : NO.
They stick to those icones, and improve them. |
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Panterata wrote:Copy - Paste
CCP Claymore, probably you are colorblind and not see my post because I repost it for 3rd time
So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES as ppl wishes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes as ppl wish? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply
Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2078 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks
CCP Claymore wrote:Quote: are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?
The simple answer at the moment is no. Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5823796#post5824020 |
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Panterata wrote:Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! That's the issue you seem to still not understand, you and your fellows. We and CCP do not care about your subjective points. Like or Dislike won't make the thing change or getting better. |
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Joia Crenca wrote:People aren't going to run away at first. much of the subscriber/player base will try their best to work with change, but over time, unanswered issues will erode to the point of the game not having enough subscribers to go on. But CCP Claymore has replied with the results of some meetings at least, and we'll see how things look on SiSi. It'd be very nice if screenshots appear in a dev blog, btw, thanks!
but over time, answered valid issues will make people get used to, notice that they actually see a more detailed grid, and live with it perfectly*, haters will quit Eve Online, and won't be missed.* |
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Color blind issues will be answered, scaling issues will be answered. What else do you want ? Going back ? You already know CCP won't go back, so why keep arguing about that ? Quit playing or deal with it, but just stop saying you want them back, that's annoying / that's not making things goin further / we already know that. All your arguments about less subsciptions are not working and don't seem to 'fear' CCP whatsoever, so just quit with it move forward. :) I will for my part.
I can't wait to see how colorblind will respond to the changes comin on SiSi soon. |
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John Lawyer wrote:I suppose, if a person who gives a feedback is actually playing EVE, which means he/she pays for sub (with $ or with time) and generate content (by killing or dying or messing with market goods). In other words - such people are valuable asset for whole EVE-Online project (because MMO without people is dead MMO). So, to save the day (cover everyone's needs) it is logical to give users an option to chooice (customization tools, check box at least). What do you say, Cleanse, is this the best option for all community and CCP itself? (because, I still did not understood why not, srsly)
Asking for a customization, i have nothing against that. Asking for an option to roll back, i don't like that. Why ? As simple as going backward is not something i want for Eve Online and see CCP doing this.
I wish as well that CCP could give us a full mod-able UI, but that would also put barriers between old-set players with their own UI, Alliance with their own UI, etcetera, i think that it would split the community more than everything else.
I wish that CCP did not take us away the RGB sliders from the UI months ago, specially with those glowing effect, it could've been awsome to chose theiur colors. But i've dealt with it, and i moved on. I'm still hopping that they will someday give it back.
Best option now is to adapt from those new icones, and help enhancing them AS THEY ARE, because we all know now that they (CCP) WILL NOT roll back or give any customizable options at all. |
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