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Orm Magnustat
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Posted - 2015.06.05 23:48:50 -
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ARMED1 wrote: .....
God the new map! While not actually part of this patch I must say I agree.
While it is in a few ways nice - for example it is visually stunning and can make some evaluation easier. Aside from that it is not so great. And to think of scanning with it? Blah just blah.
I have tried it for scanning and it is damn near unusable. I am sure CCP will not remove it since they have spent considerable time and effort (money) on developing it.
My suggestion? Take some of the revenue from the overpriced poster set and use it to pay someone to continue "fixing" the new map.
It has a long way to go.
Another suggestion? Maybe just quit screwing with all these "little things" that arent really broken.
Do we need a new map, new icons, dirt on our ships? Maybe it does make for a more immersive experience in some ways.
But I think there are other bigger things that CCP can do to improve the game first.
This new uptempo schedule of expansions is nice - but we dont need junk just for the sake of CCP being able to claim they added stuff with the latest patch.
Hey CCP - its quality over quantity that we want. (bold by me)
hits the nail for me, just that I feel even worse things approaching .....
Best example is the entosis madness running amok - instead of testing out its niche in sov warfare, its already out to conquer ALL kinds of structures .... typical case of trying to repair what wasnt broken in the first place.
I-¦m really not looking ahead to the collateral damage by that approach. :-( |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.07 18:46:30 -
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Natya Mebelle wrote:
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Manager: I'm sorry, that is not your call to make. You can't see in the future how it will work out, forum population is just a small part of the playerbase. We will ship it, and see what happens to player count and subscription changes. There is no point speculating.
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.... a very well done piece on the speculative discussions in the CCP dev teams 
I want to stress especially the quoted part, about just ignoring those (always complaining) forum warriors, that always make the most noise but actually dont matter THAT much - cause its true in many cases 
BUT NOT IN ALL 
Just look at my personal case - I havent cared to post on the forums for almost 2 years..... how did this change lately?!
The simple reason is in some HORRIBLE DESIGN DECISIONS that question the way I like to play this game and the time I invested in it! (be it the unusable new map for scanning or this icon debacle)
Dear CCP, when people like me start posting in your forums you can safely assume that something is going horribly wrong ..... you have all the statistics, just take your time and check if its just me.
To add some constructive ideas: Perhaps it wasnt the brightest idea to accelerate the release schedule like you did (for quite some different reasons) 
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.10 12:36:37 -
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Ereilian wrote:[
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In other words, business as usual. Deploy stuff no one wants, ignore stuff that are still broken 12 years later, if anyone mentions fixing POS kill the post with fire.
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Yep, except for the little detail that for the POS example they decided to just kill it off completely instead of fixing it.
If that decision was made out of laziness ("ah ****, lets just grab this standard ship coding modules, do some little modifications and get away with it..."), incompetence ("uh, look at that mass of poor documented code - there-¦s no way I-¦m gonna get that right... ") or true insight in the better for the game ("its too complex, nuanced and flexible for our players and this game!") is up to anyones guess.
- if the player base thinks a feature is fine and no one is complaining (overview) => it gets fixed with a complete overhaul
- if the player base wants a fix for a feature (certain pos aspects like containers and some menues) => the feature gets completely discontinued and replaced by something completely new that makes part of the old users vomit blood ....
good job devs .... really good job.
It-¦s sad too see, but for me it feels like its CCP itself, that needs some overhaul. |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:01:56 -
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Checking the thread I realized that its already 6 days that i posted here ... the lack of responsiveness from CCPs side is really irritating (so say the least).
You guys got a lot of qualified, constructive and friendly feedback during the course of threadnaught - even the dumbest and most stubborn person should have understood by then that there are real issues and reasons why people dont like those new icons.
You are aware that you cater for very different players and playstyles? What might be okay for a highsec miner (or even is liked by him as it looks so "fresh and fancy" and "gives additonal information") in many cases might turn out inacceptable for your pvpers and low/null inhabitants.
Its sure a difficult job to make things right for all these different groups and needs - but if you deliberately **** off and estrange one of those groups FOR NOTHING (cause thats what the whole icongate is, no one asked for those), then you are busy digging your own grave ......
About your lack of response - I saw quite some "enhancements" in these latest expansions that i found absolutely horrible, and when i read about your plans for the future there are more ahead - if you dont learn to take responsibility and revert errors in a timely manner, I-¦m afraid you wont make it.
People like the guys who decided the new map "was out of beta" and came up with the clever idea to just "weather" this shitstorm..... do they really know what they are doing?
feeling already quite estranged
Orm
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:46:19 -
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Lexiana Del'Amore wrote:Dear CCP...
Trust me when i say this...
No matter how much you try and polish the turd that is the new Icons you'll only end up with a slightly shinier turd...
Swallow your pride and roll back these unwanted changes...
We shall love you for it.
You took the turd right out of my mouth ... thank you!  |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.18 07:34:02 -
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Panterata wrote:.........
As I see your KB stat and date of birth in game why you even comment this tread when you all live were stay docked in the station?
Probably because he would have embarrassed himself even more had he stayed on his other posting alts ....
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.18 09:29:51 -
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thank you for the link, Lisa
At least other players care to announce the news ^^
At a first glance .... omfg, lol - did they understand a thing of what was written in the feedback threads???? |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.18 10:31:39 -
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uh, I mistook Lisa's link for the new blog that was promised to us..... guess i expected too much speed from CCP  |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:07:15 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote:.................... Hundreds of players motivated enough to shoot the Jita monument 23/7 was quite extraordinary. The guys selling ammo probably thought it was great ;) But, it was everything combined: forum rage, in-game rage, and mass unsubs.
This game change is very different; it doesn't offend people as much as the planned "micro" transactions: fear (unfounded) about "gold ammo" and comparisons to luxury branded items in the real world costing hundreds and thousands, and why shouldn't EVE have items like that, so players could flaunt their wealth... ugh. Changes to overview icons simply don't offend on the same level as what went down during Incarna.
Guess you you right there, all those "little" frustrations they add with the latest expansions wont lead to some uproar but rather end in a whimper ..... and thats actually tragic for CCP, as they will continue to loose players in a steady trickle instead of having to go through some cleaning storm. |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:12:20 -
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Don-¦t you ever get tired, Rio Bravo? Or do you have serious comprehension problems?
Even someon like you - who likes the new icons - could have learned that different people dislike the new iconset for quite different reasons .....
.... trolling with bait then?
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.21 19:34:26 -
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Statistics for Trolls
Some of you trolls in this thread keep asking for "numbers", "hard evidence" and other reasonable things (while rejecting survey results and the general tendencies of 2 really large feedback threads ...). Your tendency is, as you like all the changes, that the majority probably is the same and all those loud complainers should harden the **** up or gtfo. All the while its not that you support your assumptions with any hard numers yourself (as you demand from the other side).
Now please take a look at hard numbers about customer satisfaction:
Just have a look at the Eve-offline site that monitors server load for our wonderful game.
Lets go through the graphs for Tranquility for the past year. Start with the one year graph, then slowly move downward till you reach the one month graph..... any more questions about customer satisfaction? For those that get easily confused by all those up and downs and peaks - just look at the average for each graph, those averages go down from
38k to 23k average players online
for the different timescales.
You selfcentered bitches better start praying that CCP actually begins to listen to the "complainers" that actually still care to come to the forums - if not, I'm afraid our beloved game will go shitcreek downwards .... cause more than one third of last years playerbase HAS already gtfo.
And unlike you, personally I-¦m not happy about it. |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:22:13 -
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Cleanse Serce wrote:
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I wonder who are the selfcentered people :
- The one thinking that their opinions are what the majority of Eve Online players think,
or
- The one that stands before spoiled kids who want their TOY BACK NAOO. ?
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Dont misunderstand - the "selfcentered bitches" in my post didnt refer to the people who like or dislike some of the recent changes.
Each of those surely have their valid and personal arguments and many of them debate about the pros and cons and possible solutions/compromises in a most civilized manner in this thread.
I only refered to the thread-trolls, that flaunt their little egos regardless of the damage they bring to such necessary discussions and the cause behind it. They dont care about the game or their fellow players, as long as they can have some personal fun in instigating anger and mischief with however poor arguments or haughty attitudes.
Sadly the ISD doesnt care to shoot them - perhaps because they seem to be the last ones in this thread that still champion the "change above everything" idea .......
The rest of your points was so ..... beyond argumentation, that I-¦ll just give you the hint to look at the 5 year statistics before rambling about "seasonal" fluctuations - the game is about to hit a 5 year low, even during the much hyped Icarna crisis it looked healthy in comparison. And "looking at the 1 year statistics" doesnt mean there has to be a one year trend - on the contrary, it just allows you to see very clearly that the real dive begins like 6 months ago (very well accompanying some of your quoted changes).
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.24 10:03:16 -
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As much as i apreciate an CCP dev visiting this thread again (at long last) - the answers you try to deliver are bound to lower my hopes for CCP even more.... you are basically saying that you insist on polishing your turd. Good luck with that.
With such an attitude, even when you finally succeed in lessening the negative impact of these new icons for the people concerned, you will have lost a considerable number of them ... Would you care to give me your estimate how many new customers/players this exciting new icons will draw into the game in exchange?
Isnt it strange that I, a mere visitor of you ecosystem, seem to be more concerned about such losses than you, that actually makes his living from these people? How are your feelings when you look at the (additonal) plunge in Eve's gametraffic during these last weeks?
John Lawyer wrote:
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So, will you dumblessly say "Okay.." and try to 'adapt' to new lifestyle or .....................
Creatively misunderstanding your post, let me assure you that people like CCP Surge and Claymore most likey will have to adjust to just these kind of changes in the not too far future... same probably goes for the lead dev for letting all these "minor" things seemingly happen without any adequate measures of direction and control. |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.25 07:03:47 -
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Well, thats what i call arrogant and short-sighted:
Cleanse Serce wrote:.....................
but over time, answered valid issues will make people get used to, notice that they actually see a more detailed grid, and live with it perfectly*, haters will quit Eve Online, and won't be missed.*
......but you probably fit well with the CCP staff in charge Cleanse.
The people you call "haters" and gloat over ther good riddance - mind to take a look at them? Many of those helped to pay CCP's bills for many years and invested largely in this game (be it in terms of money or time or both). Many of them couldnt be farther from your "professional complainers" and forum trolls.....
The eve universe is loosing dearly, when those respected friends and enemies are forced out.
Forced out by sub par development and rash changes to the UI, that for so many years allowed them to participate here.
John Lawyer wrote:to Joia's post.
Please, correct me, If I'm wrong - a colour vision defect is different for different people.
If so, we have even more reasons to make UI customizable (including icon's colour AND themes setup - remember RGB sliders).
And thats exactly the level where the old Icons worked perfectly - important differences were transported through more than one channnel (shape AND color). No matter what kind of visual impairment you had, you never could confuse an empty white bracket with a red cross. And such clear distinctions also helped reaction times and instant sitiuational assesment of non vision impaired players. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to anticipate that the reduction of this grown funtionality will create frustration with part of the players. (and as we could learn in this thread exactly that was predicted by some CSM member)
yeah, good riddance with part of your loyal supporters and customers - for what gain ever ....
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.25 15:50:09 -
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Eraza wrote:I feel I need to put this into perspective, after reading carefully through the graph at eve offline, and various wikipedia articles. Incarna, the most cursed patch in eve history, knocked the player count from 56k(an unusual peak in itself, 4k higher then the months around), to 51k, a month later, that's 8% of the playerbase, if we count in an extreme way. A more balanced way would be to ignore the unusual top on june 19th, two days before Incarna release, and say, compare the 53k average peaks on may, to the 50k average in july, which is closer to 5% of the player base In contrast, last week's peak was the lowest one since 2007, that I find at 33k, down from 39k a month before. long term data isnt in yet, but: If i'm reading this right, that's a drop of 7k players, and at 15% of the player base. And the down curve is still going. Making Carnyx, do significantly MORE DAMAGE THAN INCARNA. On top of that, the graph since 2014 does NOT look good, but I'll need to do more research before I'm willing to guess why that is. But the bottom line is, at incarna, players complained their ****** off. Then they staged a protest and shot up a statue. At Carnyx, it looks like people just said "**** this, I quit" Player login data thanks to http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Please someone tell me this is wrong.(and if so, why/how)
Sadly, there is no one who can tell you that - cause you got it all right. 
I came to similar findings somewhere in the middle of this thread. Even considering the general downward trend for the last half a year you can clearly see an acceleration of the losses for those last weeks since the Carnyx expansion.
That said I feel double bitter when i read how "fellow-players" tell others to get lost and quit.
... same goes for the arrogance and ignorance from CCP staff.
Of course all the fanbois in this thread are absolutely correct when they now say, that a correlation doesnt prove a connection between two variables - but once you come out of the ivory tower and step into business, there is a limit of how long you can lie to yourself.
I at least really belief that sub par "expansions" effect player numbers. 
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:44:13 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:
or just leave and play other games...
I hear the sov testing is going great... PL took all of DARKNESS sov in 20mins.
/me gets popcorn and goes back to playing XCom
oh, that sounds interesting .....
I-¦m not involved at all in sov gameplay, but it it seems those that warned of the trolling potential of Fozzie sov were quite on the righ track.
These changes are the other reasons why so many players dropped out during the last 6 months - CCPs plans created a lot of negative anticipation for all those that were fascinated by the classical powerplay (and skilled for a Titan ).
In the end no one of the old players joined up with the expectation to play "wack a mole in space". |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:57:20 -
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Dear moderators, how about awarding some medal of honor for the "Troll of the thread" ? |
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