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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:01:00 -
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I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:08:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
The Hurricane could use that extra 50 grid back, its not like it lost a high slot and should still have the grid based on fitting 8 weapons, but otherwise the drop to 6 turrets was fairly expected imho. The Drake would be better served by a 5% damage to all rather than just kinetic, or possibly the RoF back with 6 launchers.
I'm personally still waiting for the Habringer to get nerfed after all of this... its really unbalanced, but giving CCPs track record I'd be suprised if it doesn't happen.
All in all I wouldn't say its anything to quit over, but it is quite annoying.
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:27:00 -
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Umm, your a 3 year vet and are just now training to use tech 2 cruiser weapons and battlecruiser 5 <_<. Does that even take months of training?
The hurricane nerf wasn't even a huge deal really. I almost perfer 6 guns and 2 nos anyway. A better balance for dmg and tanking.
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Caroglac
Amarr The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:31:00 -
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ive been here for 2 years (on one of my characters) and cant fly t2 cruisers or use t2 med weapons :) some people have priorities other than pvp... for me its industrial stuffs :) but on my main, I have amar BS 5... still cant fly t2 cruisers or med/large t2 guns :)
that said I agree with the OP.. dont nerf something just becouse of a couple whiner's Cap Ship Sales |
Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:32:00 -
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I agree with Azerrad, this is nothing to quit over.
When Revelations hits TQ, if any of the new ships are still broken, Everyone will be complaining on the forums, hardly anyone will buy them, and then they’ll get rebalanced on sisi all over again.
That assumes that Revelations even gets within 50ft of TQ in its current state, remember its still being patched and nothing is set in stone even when it does get to TQ.
Personally I’m really disappointed with the Myrmidon in its current state, for its price it Should be a mini-dominix, I don’t think CCP are taking ISK cost into account when balancing these ships, and that’s a shame, they should be a *little* overpowered, while also being on an even plane with each other but like I said above, that could still change.
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Protunia
Gallente Horadrim
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Protunia on 17/11/2006 22:50:22 Um :) can I have yer stuff??? No really!! Can I have YER STUFF!!!
Seriously though if your leaving the game because of a test server change you were leaving anyways.
thats to bad but I guess after 3 years of playing any game maybe its time for a change? My Character Stats |
Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.18 07:55:00 -
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can I have your character? failing that some of your stuff? or some iskies?
6m sp noob here :) -
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Mathias Orsen
Gold-dust
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Posted - 2006.11.18 09:44:00 -
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What a bucket of gold.... that's just funny... months of training to use a t1 BC. 3 year vet, the only skills you should not have already had would be.... umm... hmm.. ugghh... Somebody help me out here.
Can I have your kestrel?
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:07:00 -
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It is annoying... but nothing to quit over. If you are hinging your account status on tier 2 BCs then you were already half way out the door. Don't blame Tux for your lack of passion for EVE.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Judar
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:14:00 -
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I feel exactly the same. and have posted that i will be cancling my sub if this goes through as well.
Im sick of MMO's using sledgehammers to make delicate changes. Ill find one that has more knowledgable management.
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:34:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
I mean really.
I liked the "silent majority" part tho. always good to have a silent majority on your side because they'll never contradict you.
So bye bye and give me your stuff please.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Judar I feel exactly the same. and have posted that i will be cancling my sub if this goes through as well.
Im sick of MMO's using sledgehammers to make delicate changes. Ill find one that has more knowledgable management.
Good luck... i've played them all.
Star Wars Galaxies... R.I.P. that game blows now.
World of Warcraft... Battlegrounds destroyed world PVP.
City of Heroes/Villians... lack of end game content for 2 years, imbalanced PVP, and bad game direction.
Guild Wars... limited player control, cookie cutter gear, lossless PVP. eh.. no monthly fee isn't so bad.
Lineage 2... griefmongers game of delight. grind at your own risk.
Anarchy Online... graphics suck... graphics suck... graphics suck.
EQ(1)(2)... the one MMO I never played.
Matrix Online... the joke of the internet. I beta tested that game 3 times. In beta... after launch... and after the combat upgrade. Its sony... they'll break it if they didn't make it.
RF Online... standard asian grind fest with sci-fi shenanigans. Ok for about 3 day.
EVE Online... over 3 years playing... and I can't get enough. You can be on the edge of the community's vission or sit back and keep to yourself. Be a grief god or the johnny do-right sherrif. Want to trade or go into all out combat? Its all there. Despite the bugs or the ship nerffings.... its still better than them all. Even if the Drake is rubbish now. There is always hope Tux just wants to be a hero later on down the road and buff it.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/11/2006 11:23:53
Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
We dont know for sure that the devs listened to the community... but they made the wrong choice in nerfing the hurricane. There is simply no point in removing a turret for a missile launcher slot, when everybody was SO excited about getting a ship that was pure.
The dps doesnt go down that much if you fit assault missiles, but its just a useless change that makes the ship much less fun to fly. We were all looking forward to getting that 7 turret gunship. The nerf to 6 turrets not only makes it less fun to fly, it hurts its use with artillery as well.
I wont quit over game balancing, but im disappointed they took this route with that ship. Gallente ships have pure gunboats so why cant the minmatar? We HATE the mixed weapon systems ffs, because they dont have ANY advantages, only more training time.
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Lt Angus
Caldari Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.18 11:21:00 -
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I got all excited about the drake, a caldari pvp ship, well thats didnt last long
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alski When Revelations hits TQ, if any of the new ships are still broken, Everyone will be complaining on the forums, hardly anyone will buy them, and then theyÆll get rebalanced on sisi all over again.
The trouble is, that assumes that all things are represented equally, but they're not. Try and get ANY boost to missiles put forward and every laser, hybrid, projectile and drone user jumps all over it. Four onto one, balance goes out the window. I'd LOVE ot believe that people can argue dispassionately for things (and certain well educated individuals do seem to be able to)...but most people are just trying to kepp their own ship and weapon system on the top of the pile.
Conversely, changes which affect all turrets tend to have a 3 to 2 majority, and changes that affect drones...well, everybody uses drones to some extent, so these do tend to get argued more rationally.
Balancing weapon systems by a poll of the player base is not the best sytem IMO. There are too many ulterior motives and (not very well) hidden agendas at work. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once." |
Pesadel0
Vagabundos THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/11/2006 11:23:53
Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
We dont know for sure that the devs listened to the community... but they made the wrong choice in nerfing the hurricane. There is simply no point in removing a turret for a missile launcher slot, when everybody was SO excited about getting a ship that was pure.
The dps doesnt go down that much if you fit assault missiles, but its just a useless change that makes the ship much less fun to fly. We were all looking forward to getting that 7 turret gunship. The nerf to 6 turrets not only makes it less fun to fly, it hurts its use with artillery as well.
I wont quit over game balancing, but im disappointed they took this route with that ship. Gallente ships have pure gunboats so why cant the minmatar? We HATE the mixed weapon systems ffs, because they dont have ANY advantages, only more training time.
QTF i mean, the hurricane was the perfect minmatar gunship,i didnt liked the maelstrom and i loved the hurricane.
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Wolfgang Jager
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:42:00 -
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I confess, I am too am thinking of leaving, but not over the drake/hurricane thing. Ultimately balance issues always suck and the companies running MMOs never seem to get them right.
What simply blows my mind is how pathetic everything else in Kali seems to be, despite the incredibly long build up and hype. Factional warfare has seemingly been nerfed down to a kiddy-pool version of WoW battlegrounds, completely excluding the nationalist RP corps - not to mention all the "other" factions completely left out of it....
I'll give it a few months to change my mind on the matter, but if things aren't much better than they look atm, I'm gone. (Not to go anyplace else either, I've played most the other MMOs out there currently and they all have much worse problems imho)
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codepic
Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
3 years and you didn't notice they almost without exception change stuff before final release?
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Sister 9
Phung Hoang Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: codepic
3 years and you didn't notice they almost without exception change stuff before final release?
was going to say this too
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Bravehearts Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
i will tell you what is a waste of time, tryng to get on the test server and waiting hours to do so becuase people are just there for the free pvp ] |
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Hydrian Alante
The Loot Company
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:10:00 -
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Has someboday allready called an wwwwwwwwwwwwwambulance?
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Ruze
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
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Just comes on the forum to let everyone know he's quitting for good and to spend a dozen paragraphs explaining why. Then does it again three months later.
Sample Quote: "For real, this time."
Punishment: Forced to actually quit."
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Chronojam
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:22:00 -
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Less than one year vet here, realizing that the Myrmidon which I've been training for for months is going to suck ass.
Luckily I realize that gunnery skills, drone bonuses, and spaceship command apply to more than just a single ship. Also, battlecruisers applies to my Brutix, which is now going to be better than ever.
Maybe I'll just pick up an Eos or Navy Vexor and not ***** about a single ship that didn't turn out my way in the first patch version it was released in =)
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi EVE Online... over 3 years playing... and I can't get enough. You can be on the edge of the community's vission or sit back and keep to yourself. Be a grief god or the johnny do-right sherrif. Want to trade or go into all out combat? Its all there. Despite the bugs or the ship nerffings.... its still better than them all. Even if the Drake is rubbish now. There is always hope Tux just wants to be a hero later on down the road and buff it.
I concur. I could throw three years of UO onto that list, then it just changed into a different game overnight with Age of Shadows.
Eve ftw. ================
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Pick Me
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:47:00 -
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So, a vet that post with an alt that he is leaving? Are you selling your main on ebay? Why would you use an alt?
Then, there is a question, if what you say is true, you would have left when the Raven were nerfed... Which you did not. So you are lying. |
Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:57:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? ----
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Spei Prodetor
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Spei Prodetor on 18/11/2006 17:34:16
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Judar I feel exactly the same. and have posted that i will be cancling my sub if this goes through as well.
Im sick of MMO's using sledgehammers to make delicate changes. Ill find one that has more knowledgable management.
Good luck... i've played them all.
Star Wars Galaxies... R.I.P. that game blows now.
World of Warcraft... Battlegrounds destroyed world PVP.
City of Heroes/Villians... lack of end game content for 2 years, imbalanced PVP, and bad game direction.
Guild Wars... limited player control, cookie cutter gear, lossless PVP. eh.. no monthly fee isn't so bad.
Lineage 2... griefmongers game of delight. grind at your own risk.
Anarchy Online... graphics suck... graphics suck... graphics suck.
EQ(1)(2)... the one MMO I never played.
Matrix Online... the joke of the internet. I beta tested that game 3 times. In beta... after launch... and after the combat upgrade. Its sony... they'll break it if they didn't make it.
RF Online... standard asian grind fest with sci-fi shenanigans. Ok for about 3 day.
EVE Online... over 3 years playing... and I can't get enough. You can be on the edge of the community's vission or sit back and keep to yourself. Be a grief god or the johnny do-right sherrif. Want to trade or go into all out combat? Its all there. Despite the bugs or the ship nerffings.... its still better than them all. Even if the Drake is rubbish now. There is always hope Tux just wants to be a hero later on down the road and buff it.
You forgot planetside - Good for the avid fps fan but when a sniper bullet comes through some giant rock on the otherside of a river dont complain when it kills you they wont fix it. oh yeah Exploits galore.... no end game.... not real gratification... and consistant aimbot use cus ppl have no skill....
Edit: also i've only ever quit this game one time and thats when i got a standard responce over server logs when i got podded before my ship went down... cost me a cool billion... but i came back 2 months later when i wasnt mad anymore and figured out that eve is still the best mmo out there....
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alski I agree with Azerrad, this is nothing to quit over.
When Revelations hits TQ, if any of the new ships are still broken, Everyone will be complaining on the forums, hardly anyone will buy them, and then theyÆll get rebalanced on sisi all over again.
That assumes that Revelations even gets within 50ft of TQ in its current state, remember its still being patched and nothing is set in stone even when it does get to TQ.
Personally IÆm really disappointed with the Myrmidon in its current state, for its price it Should be a mini-dominix, I donÆt think CCP are taking ISK cost into account when balancing these ships, and thatÆs a shame, they should be a *little* overpowered, while also being on an even plane with each other but like I said above, that could still change.
I know that wont happen. Look how long it took them to say anything about the nighthawk?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 18/11/2006 17:44:04
Originally by: cy4n1d3 I was one of the silent majority who has been reading these forums in the past month and the few whining posts about the Drake and Hurricane being overpowered. I didn't post though, because I didn't think the devs would be stupid enough to listen to these people, because those who actually engage in solo pvp know that these ships have been needed in their pre-nerf form for a long time to fulfull a niche of low cost, effective solo pvp ships for caldari and minmitar. I've been training for months to use these ships to their full potential when they were released, and now that's all wasted. I'm not going to waste any more time. Thanks.
Can I have your stuff? I'll still be depressed that they're turning Gank BCs into junk BCs, but I have confidence Tux or some other dev will see that these changes were a bad idea.
Unless they're planning to make combat last longer by also nerfing gankships.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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