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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:07:00 -
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People leaving "DICE" (BoB) for "ATUK" (The Five) just so that they have 2 chances at the next up and coming alliance championships ?
I personally think that "The Five" should not be allowed to enter the championships, they might be an in-game alliance, but it isn't an "ACTIVE" alliance at all. It's just a "ready to use" figure head alliance to double the odds, not what I would have expected from the mighty BoB at all.
/emote shakes his head is dismay
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: ParMizaN on 17/11/2006 23:10:52
They did that last time too. I don't particularly like the fundamental mechanics of the tournament so I won't comment on it any more.
Edit: changed "year" to "time"
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Uglyone
Deep Can Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:23:00 -
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i can only see this as a "Exploit" of gamemechanics.
they should be judged as exploiting and not be allowed into the alliance championchips with either of thealliance five or bob due to attempts to exploiting the system.
let other people use the 2 slots in the championship instead.
i seriously doubt that ccp will do anything about it afterall.
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BaronWaste
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: BaronWaste on 17/11/2006 23:35:53
I don't see this as any different than Finite Horizon joining The Red Skull to compete. Just because everyone knows that's how they are doing it, they are not breaking any rules, and nothing should be done about it IMO. \
If you don't like it, then do it yourself next time and give LV the same odds.
Edit: I just want to say is that there's no way to prevent this from happening. If you want to keep "inactive" alliances out of it, please give me a good way to tell the true inactives from the non-inactives.
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HoKu Ziare
Catalyst Reaction
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Uglyone
i can only see this as a "Exploit" of gamemechanics.
they should be judged as exploiting and not be allowed into the alliance championchips with either of thealliance five or bob due to attempts to exploiting the system.
let other people use the 2 slots in the championship instead.
i seriously doubt that ccp will do anything about it afterall.
Maybe because its not an exploit?
Just a thought...
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Uglyone
i can only see this as a "Exploit" of gamemechanics.
they should be judged as exploiting and not be allowed into the alliance championchips with either of thealliance five or bob due to attempts to exploiting the system.
let other people use the 2 slots in the championship instead.
i seriously doubt that ccp will do anything about it afterall.
Hows it an exploit? What about the other corps that have started alliances just so they can take part and then once over will probably leave them till next year?
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Major Stormer on 17/11/2006 23:35:20
Heh.....So......basicly....2 teams of BOB....wow.....
CCP please do something, thats serously SAD. And shame on BOB for this, for shame!!!
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If you don't like it, then do it yourself next time.
Stop giving advice.....you SUCK at it.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:34:00 -
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You do realize that CCP actually encourage people to join or create alliances to compete?
If an alliance wants to field a secondary team, then it's up to them. And like someone pointed out... this was also done in the last tourney as well, and BoB wasn't the only alliance to field two teams.
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Angeldust
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:37:00 -
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 The BoB haters are out again.
If its ok for new alliances being created for the purpose of a tournament, why is it a problem if an existing one is being used ?
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Tetovo
Caldari
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:39:00 -
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TO be honest,Veritas did this last time and there wasn't much whining. Interesting how people seem to come out whining like its the end of the world about the pettiest of things when it involves bob. More high quality teams competing=better tournament.
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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 17/11/2006 23:41:15
Originally by: Uglyone
i can only see this as a "Exploit" of gamemechanics.
they should be judged as exploiting and not be allowed into the alliance championchips with either of thealliance five or bob due to attempts to exploiting the system.
let other people use the 2 slots in the championship instead.
i seriously doubt that ccp will do anything about it afterall.
I don't consider it an exploit, but I do hope that CCP will only consider *REAL* and *ACTIVE* alliances for the tournamnet.
BoB is very much alive and kicking, no problem with them taking part. The Five on the other hand only has 27 members (just checked in game) and can not realistically be considered an alliance and as such should not be allowed to enter.
Allowing this to happen would just be inviting every alliance in EVE to invest a "few" billion ISK to make "a few alliances" with "a few" PvP teams.
What next ?
Stain Empire revived (also 27) ?
Curse Alliance revived (currently 1) ?
Every man and their dog moving alts into dead alliances ?
CCP, it may be an alliance in game, but only by name. Not by nature.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:41:00 -
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Nothing new there. Seems like a mighty 'big deal'.
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BaronWaste
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:42:00 -
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We have 70 members, are we inactive?
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:43:00 -
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Just consider it an open tourneyment with a 1b buy-in.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:48:00 -
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For me it looks like legal, but morally questionable trick. Btw, there is the difference between those who create the alliance to participate (because they could have no chance at all) and those, who are already there, but feel the need for a 2-nd slot to improve the odds. But may be BoB are not the only ones who are doing that, they just attract the most attention.
IMHO, only active alliances should participate, but who can judge on the alliance being active or not, that's the problem.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:49:00 -
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Didn't RA field a team last year in what was TRUST as well?
To be honest BOB could have faced The Five in the first round knocking one of them out so what does it really matter? How do you define what is a dead alliance and what's not?
If a corporation starts an alliance just to enter the tourny then leave it until the next year is that then to be considered a dead alliance? Because if that was the case you would be limiting the amount of teams and making it alot less fun.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/11/2006 00:13:36
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Didn't RA field a team last year in what was TRUST as well?
The TRUST players were from us afaik.
Seems to be common practise.
/edit sorry, for writing 2nd V-team, to be correct they started for TRUST, so it was the TRUST team.
cdt/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
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matty01
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:55:00 -
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BoB not the only ones doin it, some xenobytes goin back into SE to get into tourny (ie: creamster)
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:58:00 -
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Stop whining. LeMonde has categorically stated time and again that people should create alliances or join one if they want to participate. Joining a dead alliance or creating a new one is essentially the same thing.
TRUST was D2's secondary team last time, if I'm not mistaken. If you don't like the tournament mechanics, go to the proper forum.
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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
You do realize that CCP actually encourage people to join or create alliances to compete?
I think CCP wants people to create alliances for other reasons, and none of them have anything to do with the tournament.
Originally by: Raem Civrie
If an alliance wants to field a secondary team, then it's up to them. And like someone pointed out... this was also done in the last tourney as well, and BoB wasn't the only alliance to field two teams.
Ah, so you are saying "it's been done before so that make it right" ?
I think not, but then again, I am a man of principles, maybe you are not.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:02:00 -
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i'll be the first in line to hate bob normally, but give it a rest on this one 
even if it was an exploit, there are much worse activities going on in eve than this.
After seeing the prizes I think anyone would do anything to get either of those battleships. Hell, i'd run through a corn field, backwards, NAKED if it gave me better odds of competing for those babies.
cant wait to see the fights
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:03:00 -
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Um, just becuase more people then BOB does it, doesnt make it right. I personally cant stand the idea. I like the idea of REAL alliances fighting in a alliance torney somehow.
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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: BaronWaste
We have 70 members, are we inactive?
I don't think so, is your alliance dead ? You tell us ?
Stain- Alliance, The Five, Curse Alliance are all KNOWN dead entities, I'm sure that BoB can afford the 1 billion ISK to make a "few more", but do they HAVE to use a KNOWN dead entity for the alliance tournament ?
Pathetic, end of story. Same for any alliance that feels the desire for a 2nd team, it only shows that they don't believe in THEIR team and need more than one iron in the fire.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:10:00 -
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Can we have a forum vote on who we should ahve in the tourney? can we? uh? uh?
If there are active ppl in an alliance to accept applications, then what measure are you going to use to decide if it's active? Player power to decide recruitment policies?
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:13:00 -
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So it would be ok if there was another alliance created ?
It's just that it's The Five that's got up your nose ?
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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Can we have a forum vote on who we should ahve in the tourney? can we? uh? uh?
If there are active ppl in an alliance to accept applications, then what measure are you going to use to decide if it's active? Player power to decide recruitment policies?
When was the last time the "The Five" accepted an alliance application ?
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:13:00 -
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Seriously some people need to grow up its like play school in here sometimes, "mummy he has 2 balls I only have one" 
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: thoth foc
Can we have a forum vote on who we should ahve in the tourney? can we? uh? uh?
If there are active ppl in an alliance to accept applications, then what measure are you going to use to decide if it's active? Player power to decide recruitment policies?
When was the last time the "The Five" accepted an alliance application ?
By the sounds of it recently 
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:18:00 -
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It actually shows, that given alliance have more than 7 capable pilots, who want to represent their alliance.
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Jaabaa Prime
Dental Drilling Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet
ARE you really that stupid do you realise thier is people in ATUK who also are in LV what did you do log in one day and say omg thier was a membership jump it must be only for the tourny ? do you stair weekly watching ATUK membership go up and down just to have soemthing to post on ?
Since thier is ATUK in LV who have chars in ATUK does that mean LV is useing ATUK for a 2nd team ???? Prob not
anyone who has any clue about ATUK would know it never 100 percent shut down nor has it ever gave up the allince and why should it as it was the excutor (sp) , its full of old school members who play when they have time yes membership in atuk goes up and down it always has since script retired yes it isnt active on the war front dont mean its not thier or wont surface one day.
Oh wait, I guess I am stupid:
After a three year rollercoaster ride through eve ATUK will be closing its doors after this weekend., as script said, closed and the reason for DICE being even formed.
So how about YOU get a clue ....
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