If folks are that worried/OCD about application, you'd not use the rattler vs angels in the first place because you want to shoot explosive at them. CNR/Golem FTW if you're a missile slinger.

With those resists, you're doing better dps with t1 nova than you would be with faction scourge - 56% applied vs 46%. A 25% damage bonus for kinetic just barely restores parity.

Also, if you include time spent warping to/from a mission in DPS, I imagine the Rattlesnake's numbers will drop a bit.

That'd also apply to all battleships other then marauders(2.2 au/s) and the macharial(3.0 au/s).

Edit: forgot the nestor(2.5 au/s)

Geckos track 99% of frigs fine and if they are having trouble there is room in your bay to carry lights, there is not really a need to gimp your fit to kill frigs.

But I do wish CCP would hurry up with their threat to allow TCs to affect missile explosion radius. It would need to be better than TPs, and better enough that we can use the rig slots for anything but rigors/flares. Personally, I'd be happier with improving missile radius/explosion stats across the board and getting rid of rigor/flare rigs entirely.

Well there would still be plenty of room to fit cruises, and they would apply significantly more raw DPS but I'm just thinking in terms of what would actually be the fastest way to pop rats. If I can pop frigs in a single volley with LMs, and allow my gecko to apply 820+ DPS to larger targets, would that speed up the process of farming activities?

With LM Furies, I could still assist my Gecko with about 180 applied DPS (rough estimate) with my current hardwires. With cruise fury I could apply about 500 raw DPS plus 3% hardwire bonuses and no application mods, so in terms of actual DPS... IDK, probably not that amazing.

Do want me to post a couple of fits I was toying with? I mean, I need to fit an RS soon anyway so I'm open to advice about bearing with RS.

Yeah, I don't wanna putz about, but at the same time, I don't wanna be stuck in one spot with sentries. I have 2 fits I'm looking at, one is an active tank with 2x BCUs, 2x Omni and 3x warp rig II, the other is a kinda gimmicky passive tank, which ironically requires a cap booster where the active tank doesn't.

For the Rattlesnake I suggest you put a mobile depot in your cargobay and fit on the fly where you are depending on incoming damage and dps.
The Rattlesnake can have an excellent passive shield regeneration tank if you fit all your lows with shield power relays (meta 4 or tech2 depending on the pricetag), three meds with shield rechargers (tech2) and 3x core denfence field purger I or II rigs.

You will loose some application for the cruise missiles but with the depot you can refit your lows with drone damge amplifiers and ballistic controls as you like (tech2 or faction) and target painter, mwd / mjd and onmidirectional tracking link (bring the scripts) or tow of them.

Use the shield resistance amplifiers (passive, tech2 or deadspace since pith c-type aren't expensive anymore and or what your wallet allows, so buy all 4 of them) and in a Blood Raider level 4 Bloackade you will think this mission is a joke and be done in 25 minutes.

The full recharge fit tanks about 1000dps (can't remember how much, eft will tell you) but the purger rigs are expensive (one costs more than the four pith c-type mods together).

You can safly ignore the frigates until the bigger ships start being pulled by an MTU (bring one) and if you need, bring a web.

@OP: Your statement about Rattler beinf sub cap dps king... (a) Vindicator (a lot more) (b) Typhoon fleet Issue (believe it or not better application). Check them out if dps output is your concern...

"So it's settled, the Rattlesnake is still the King of subcapital dps. Paper/Application that is, blah blah guns apply instantly yadda yadda yadda.

Or just use Rattle as a brawler as hi is.

Using RHML you will get more "paper" damage, not to mention the applied one. Even if we take into account reload time.

It's perfectly viable but less effective when using Sentries as not always will rats be in range of both your weapon systems. So you can move forward and then drop sentries or... what I've been considering is just roll balls deep with the Gecko/Heavy drones and lay waste to all with RHML on my way to the objective/gate. That 35 second reload just annoys me though.

It's something to consider.

Try this.

Rattlesnake (brawler):
Low:
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Middle:
LMJD
500 MWD II - fixed it for you lol
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large (Medium) Shield Buster II

High:
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Rigs:
2xLarge Core Defense Field Purger II
1xLarge Core Defense Field Extender II

Drone Bay:
Gecko
2xCaldari Navy Warden
2xFederation Navy Garde
5xHobgoblin II

Fury/Navy Inferno/Scourge Heavy Missile.

The distance to the rats in most lvl 4 missions are between 30-60 km so everithing is in range. Use MJD to jump "in to" not "from" if range is 90-120 km.

If you are willing to spend about 1,5 bill for hull and some faction modules, you will get comfortable, unstoppable, ungankable, effective mission runner.

Facerolling missions was never an issue for me or the point of this thread. Also this fit will crumple in some missions, particularily for the Gallente Epic Arc. Note I said crumple and not pop. I'm sure you could do it, just with a warp out or two.

Speaking of your fit why the faction drones? Tech 2 drones already have cruiser level ehp from the snake's bonus. Just curious why the trade off of 8%(10% if your crazy/dedicated and have racial drone spec'd to 5) to have them live longer. I'm referring to the faction sentries, Gecko is a special case for the Snake due to limited Bandwidth/Bay. I carry 2 EM and 2 Kin sentries to hit all resist holes(shooting into secondary is fine) along with the Gecko.

Personally I wouldn't bother with those 5 lights as they're unbonused. Gecko has more then enough tracking to take down frigates, especially when that frigate is chasing after you and moving in a straight line.

I made this thread because I had just finished making a thread about Golem needing 4 painters to apply well to frigates and thought I'd look to see how my old buddy the snake held up. It held up fine, I just decided to stop using furies on it because of poor application with them.

Why not just fit an mjd for the blockade instead of the 9-10 holes and rigs you are wasting... A Domi will do in 15 moins what your uber passive rattler will do in 25... uh....

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Sure blaster vindi can do in the neighborhood of 1.7k dps at what ...

Or just use Rattle as a brawler as hi is.

Using RHML you will get more "paper" damage, not to mention the applied one. Even if we take into account reload time.

So I guess with RHML, you'd hit BS rats first with the gecko plus missiles, then allow your gecko to kill all the smaller stuff while your missiles reload? That seems like the most efficient method to using RHMLs to me.

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Sure blaster vindi can do in the neighborhood of 1.7k dps at what ...10% of the range? Your ~1.7k dps at 9 optimal/11 fall off with void or ~1.2k at 17 optimal/30 fall off with Null vs Rattle's ~1.4k dps applyable out to 84 km(1/2 of it is delayed from missiles) and ~700 to 93.75km(lock range without modules). Outside of niche uses in Incursions, sitting on top of rats spawns in anoms, etc the Vindicator can't compete due to it having to travel to apply it's beastly dps. As soon as the Rattlesnake lands on grid 95% of the time you can start apply dps right away. The other 5% you gotta putter 10km or so to get into lockrange so you can apply that dps vs the 90km the Vindi would have to travel(probably less because your stern look would draw the rats attention and they would meet you half way).

TFI applies missile damage better but so does the CNR/Golem. However, those three are left behind when you add in drone damage from the snake.

DPS is only part the equation. There's a reason the Machariel is considered the king of level 4s. It's not because of it's dps, because most of the time you'll be in fall off which is a reduction down to 50% dps(god forbid double falloff). It's a combination of dps, mobility(a BS that can keep pace and even move faster then some cruisers) and warp speed.

There's many things when looking at mission boats. Here's my top 2 priorities

1) Looks. You look good you feel good. You feel good, you don't hate your life while grinding standings/make some iskies.

2) Ease of use. Sure cruise missiles have travel time but they also don't often have to deal with changing ammo types based off range. Usually target size. With guns, I focus on small targets first before they get under my guns. With missiles, I focus on bigger targets so they deal less damage and then deal with the small targets. Other missiles like Torpdoes...yeah....that's a whole other bag of worms I'm not getting into.