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Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1730	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:41:12 - [121] - Quote You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works.
Miyamoto Takedi State Protectorate Caldari State 52	Posted - 2015.06.15 15:16:42 - [122] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. I remember seeing a short lived Nugoeihuvi production that worked along these lines... it's name was in an old dialect, so direct translation is difficult, the word had several nuanced meanings, usually contextual, but there was no context, just a single word title. it was one of the below: maybe there's some old holovids or repeats on one of the more niche baseliner channels Resistance Determination Endurance Stoicism anyway, the first time I saw it I will admit to wondering if the contestants were criminals working off part of their sentence.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4984	Posted - 2015.06.15 16:04:12 - [123] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. Remember how you were going to just shoot things? Can you do that without talking so much? "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Anslo Scope Works 31802	Posted - 2015.06.15 16:20:07 - [124] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. Remember how you were going to just shoot things? Can you do that without talking so much? Ouch. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Scope Works 407	Posted - 2015.06.15 16:33:41 - [125] - Quote Miyamoto Takedi wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. I remember seeing a short lived Nugoeihuvi production that worked along these lines... it's name was in an old dialect, so direct translation is difficult, the word had several nuanced meanings, usually contextual, but there was no context, just a single word title. it was one of the below: maybe there's some old holovids or repeats on one of the more niche baseliner channels Resistance Determination Endurance Stoicism anyway, the first time I saw it I will admit to wondering if the contestants were criminals working off part of their sentence. Why does that sound so familiar to me?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1761	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:14:02 - [126] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana wrote: Did you want to turn the conversation this way, Tuulinen-"haan"? Enjoy your medicine. I serve the corporation. You serve PIRATE corporation. I serve THE STATE. Can you feel the difference?
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 310	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:47:29 - [127] - Quote I do like how you continue to ignore the posts you demanded Diana. and since when has KK been a pirate organisation? oh, wait... would that be since they denounced Heth as a terrorist? Nevermind. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1213	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:01:40 - [128] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana wrote: Did you want to turn the conversation this way, Tuulinen-"haan"? Enjoy your medicine. I serve the corporation. You serve PIRATE corporation. I serve THE STATE. Can you feel the difference? Nope, not really :D
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4993	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:52:50 - [129] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana wrote: Did you want to turn the conversation this way, Tuulinen-"haan"? Enjoy your medicine. I serve the corporation. You serve PIRATE corporation. I serve THE STATE. Can you feel the difference? The State? What in the Maker's Name is The State, anyway? There is no State, tyuii, there are only the Corporations. Jaijii talk about The State. Caldari talk about Wiyrkomi, Ishukone, Kalaakiota, Lai Dai, Nugoeihuvi, Suukuvesta, Hyasyoda and the CBD. Patriot, Practical and Liberal. These are the Caldari. You don't even understand THIS. And apparently you don't understand the difference between a Navy commission and a letter of marque from the State Protectorate. The State Protectorate! You're a Mall Cop, Diana, not a Navy Officer. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1730	Posted - 2015.06.16 22:00:35 - [130] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever. Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. Remember how you were going to just shoot things? Can you do that without talking so much? I can shoot things and provide commentary on what amuses me, both. What is not amusing about someone having to resort to blatant name dropping in order to lend credence or legitimacy to their words or defend their positions? Then again, Diana Kim can be amusing like that sometimes.

Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4997	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:03:10 - [131] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: What is not amusing about someone having to resort to blatant name dropping in order to lend credence or legitimacy to their words or defend their positions? Not much amusing in trying to dress like the edgiest cancer patient, either. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1730	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:56:47 - [132] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: What is not amusing about someone having to resort to blatant name dropping in order to lend credence or legitimacy to their words or defend their positions? Not much amusing in trying to dress like the edgiest cancer patient, either. Quite right, I've never denied my edge. And yes, I have cancer now ever since I started using Tristans and Garmurs. There really might be something carcinogenic in those hull plates but I've yet to receive a response from the DED Occupational Health & Safety Bureau about it. Tragic if it was not for clone technology.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4997	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:03:30 - [133] - Quote You've been catching all sorts in your Tristan according to the AARs. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1732	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:35:18 - [134] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You've been catching all sorts in your Tristan according to the AARs. Probably not recently but according to public record, the Tristan is my third used ship behind the Kestrel and Condor, dear. My Garmur use is a more recent pleasure that is likely carcinogenic.
Lord Kailethre Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 60	Posted - 2015.06.17 12:03:15 - [135] - Quote This is a silly thread full of silly people. And it's just getting sillier!
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 7	Posted - 2015.06.17 14:37:45 - [136] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: This is a silly thread full of silly people. And it's just getting sillier! Popcorn was invented for many reasons, this is one of them. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Anslo Scope Works 31812	Posted - 2015.06.17 14:38:49 - [137] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: What is not amusing about someone having to resort to blatant name dropping in order to lend credence or legitimacy to their words or defend their positions? Not much amusing in trying to dress like the edgiest cancer patient, either. Civire of our hearts. The Civre we need, but do not deserve, dishing out cold hard facts without fear. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Scope Works 415	Posted - 2015.06.17 15:55:12 - [138] - Quote gets popcorn Go on....
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1762	Posted - 2015.06.22 16:33:18 - [139] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana wrote: Did you want to turn the conversation this way, Tuulinen-"haan"? Enjoy your medicine. I serve the corporation. You serve PIRATE corporation. I serve THE STATE. Can you feel the difference? The State? What in the Maker's Name is The State, anyway? There is no State, tyuii, there are only the Corporations. Jaijii talk about The State. Caldari talk about Wiyrkomi, Ishukone, Kalaakiota, Lai Dai, Nugoeihuvi, Suukuvesta, Hyasyoda and the CBD. Patriot, Practical and Liberal. These are the Caldari. You don't even understand THIS. And apparently you don't understand the difference between a Navy commission and a letter of marque from the State Protectorate. The State Protectorate! You're a Mall Cop, Diana, not a Navy Officer. It looks like you don't understand, go back to your "corporation" and continue playing mercenaries if you wish, but leave the affairs of the State to those, who actually SERVE the State (and who serve the State in Caldari corporations). Got it?
Deitra Vess Scope Works 437	Posted - 2015.06.23 00:05:41 - [140] - Quote Isn't Pyre a Caldari mercenary outfit?

Gorion Wassenar Stimulus Rote Kapelle 95	Posted - 2015.06.23 00:58:02 - [141] - Quote You again seem to fail to grasp the lesson that was so recently taught. Blind obedience to the State is just as detrimental as attacking it. I'd say you need to spend some time with some Hak'len under a Kresh tree. Drink and let the soil's essence lighten your heart. Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR! "DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 317	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:26:08 - [142] - Quote Not an empty repost, I await your response to both Liam and myself. You claim to want responses exactly like those we provided and have continued to ignore them in favour of making continued personal attacks upon both ourselves and other posters within the thread. Diana Kim wrote: I'd prefer you attack my post directly, then I'd have more chance of expanding and explaining my point instead of shrugging off words about me. You have recieved at least two direct responses that have taken your OP apart and refuted each point separately. Rather than respond to these, you have pointedly ignored them. By your actions, you prove your words to be false and those of others to be correct. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1763	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:05:14 - [143] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Isn't Pyre a Caldari mercenary outfit? Currently they are serving Empire. Besides, mercenary actually serve the money, that's where their loyalty belongs to. They don't have home, they don't have anything dear to protect. Only some of them are Caldari, or, should I say, were Caldari... by blood. Of course, there are mercenaries even in the State, who can be called Caldari mercenaries. But they serve only Caldari corporations. Otherwise they wouldn't be Caldari.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1763	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:11:46 - [144] - Quote Okay, lets read what that... person has written as a "direct response to my post". Okay... slowly breath out, and lets look carefully iyammarrok wrote: Liam, don't bother. she took your earlier statement of 'if I were to do so' as 'you do so' .... Diana, while completely capable of discerning the true meaning of your words Second sentence, already lie and attack on me. My post, really?... iyammarrok wrote: CHOOSES to misinterpret them and take offence. Whoa. iyammarrok wrote: Take her response to Pieter, where she says she doesn't care for the intent of his words, merely that her own misinterpretation of them was, mistakenly, taken as an insult. Really?... iyammarrok wrote: then she has the nerve to claim that he is a traitor to the state due to the fact that his corporation is currently on secondment to the Amarr militia. Nice discussion of my post. Or wait, do I look like a post? Not going to read further. In other words, I am tired of iyammarrok-grade stupidity. I'll look through other reply though in a bit~
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1763	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:39:42 - [145] - Quote Liam Antolliere wrote: To be considerate to you as the original author of this thread, I will indeed address the petition itself. Before I do so, I will point out that even if the petition is written respectfully and honestly (which it appears to be), the reason you are receiving the responses you are receiving is because of the above mentioned dilemma; that being your usual demeanor in discussions and why people do not listen to what you have to say; because of how you often say it. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you the certain kind of species, called GALLENTEANS. While claiming to be "considerate" and going to address the petition itself, this one with his first action starts talking about me by spreading gallentean propaganda. I mean... can we REALLY talk with gallenteans? Can we take them seriously?.. Just shoot them down, with such approach diplomacy will never succeed. But very well, lets try to speak with a gallentean, like he would be a human, ignoring his blabbering. Liam Antolliere wrote: I believe you raise valid concerns regarding the nature of these prison camps and of the illegitimacy of their existence and operation. I also believe having them declared a DED threat assessment would alleviate the political and military web their existence has woven, as it would enable those of us with the means necessary to deal with them candidly. Hmm. Okay, consider me surprised. I don't get though what you are getting with it? To admit your own government installation as a DED threats, this is pretty much unusual. I honestly sense some sort of a trap here, but let it be this way. Liam Antolliere wrote: Regarding your first point: I believe it is more a matter for the Federation and its people to label the SDII as a "terrorist" organization (or, more appropriately, an extralegal organization) and to dissolve it internally. CONCORD has no jurisdiction within the Federation itself. Though, I will state for the record that I already view the SDII under such terms. If it would be for the Federation and its people if SDII acted only inside the Federation. Unfortunately, being called department of internal investigations, its hands spread way outside of the Federation, thus this decision should be taken on international level. Liam Antolliere wrote: Regarding your second point: I cannot agree with this request. the Federal Navy is a legitimate military organization operating legally within the confines of that identity. Further, the actions of the late Admiral Noir have been under suspicion since the incident and investigation has repeatedly suggested a very well hidden level of foul play at work, including potential assassination with intent to impersonate. I heard that story too. I prefer to base my opinions on facts, not rumors. Liam Antolliere wrote: Regarding your third point: A lack of public terrorist activity does not alleviate the responsibility of the organization, particularly given that its goals and purpose for existence have not changed. Further, I would like to illustrate the double standard of attempting to acquit one organization for its past crimes while simultaneously suing another for its past crimes. Goals and purpose of the organization? Templis Dragonaurs is an ancient culture preservation society. It became "terrorist" only because of gallentean actions, when they blockaded our homeworld. Peoples were desperate. Was what they did correct? No. But blaming those, who are alive and tend for Caldari culture for actions who died 200 years ago is... well... Let's say that a smart and compassionate person wouldn't do this. As for "double standards", this is rather hypocritical. As it is our corporation who is considered terrorist and yours are not, while what your corporations (Navy and Black Eagles) did, brought death of way greater number of civilian lives that TD ever killed. Besides, I would like to point out on a huge significance in our judgements: I tend to judge peoples for what they are doing, not what someone did years ago. I repeat one more time, everyone who were involved in disposal of Nouvelle Rouvenor had either died in explosion or died from the age (those, who were supporting them with funds and services); while those, who funded Noir's attack, participated in Operation Highlander on gallente side, who torture Caldari PoWs and commit genocide in Caldari colonies - they are still alive, and they are ones who must be judged.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1763	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:52:00 - [146] - Quote Liam Antolliere wrote: Regarding your final point: The Federation cannot be reasonably faulted for the military decisions and direction of the Caldari State, its Navy or any of its officers. The decision to lower the Titan into low orbit was made by the State, not the Federation. Second, if an investigation into the events leading up to and surrounding that day is to be undertaken, it should be under the notion of investigating a breach of international treaty, not a war crimes investigation; which is a political investigation, not a police one. Oh, really? So it was a Caldari fault? You know, if you land your cruiser near gallente colony and I'll blow it from the orbit, so it's remains will splatter all over colony, engulfing it in flames and molten carbides, I will blame you and will say you killed poor civilians by landing your ship there. Fair? Or no? Let's discuss it further without iyammarrok-grade stupidity. Anyone will understand that responsibility for attack lays on attacking side. If I'd blown your ship and kill peoples with its remains, it would be my responsibility, not your. And downing titan on Caldari Prime was GALLENTE fault, not our. That's rather easy to comprehend, I don't even know why I have to explain this over and over again. Look. It was Caldari decision to support ground troops on the planet, because gallenteans have violated the treaty and started armed conflict on our homeworld. And only after our titan moved to vulnerable positions, gallente fleet landed "to kill it". I'd like to note, that they did it not before the titan moved to support ground troops, but right after we did it. Yes, it is a breach of international treaty, but gallenteans could have done it cleaner and attacked titan itself first, instead of luring it towards planet. Thus, besides investigation of internation treaty violation, I would stand on requirement to investigate criminal action of Gallente federation in mass murder, genocide and using of military operation to cause terror and deaths among Caldari citizens. If gallente were doing what they were claim to do "to kill titan, that was threatening our planet", they wouldn't start ground operation at all.
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 317	Posted - 2015.06.23 08:51:12 - [147] - Quote Regarding your misinterpretation of Liam. Liam Antolliere wrote: If I were to stand here and tell you the absolute truth of a situation but do so through the use of insults, demeaning terminology, dismissive arrogance or antagonistic taunts then you'll no more listen to what I'm saying than a wall would. Diana Kim wrote: No, you have said that I DO SO "through the use of insults, demeaning terminology, dismissive arrogance or antagonistic taunts". Regarding your willful misinterpretation and ignorance of Pieter Diana Kim wrote: I am asking you for not what you have meant, but for what you have written. and finally regarding your ignorance of the majority of my own post. These were not attacks, but statements of FACT. if you do not want these things brought up, stop doing them. your choice to ignore the very portion of that post that you asked for, speaks volumes as to your character and intent. I didn't expect more from you, but I had hoped you would at least try to prove me wrong instead of relying on ad hominem attacks. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Deitra Vess Scope Works 437	Posted - 2015.06.23 15:01:46 - [148] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Isn't Pyre a Caldari mercenary outfit? Currently they are serving Empire. Besides, mercenary actually serve the money, that's where their loyalty belongs to. They don't have home, they don't have anything dear to protect. Only some of them are Caldari, or, should I say, were Caldari... by blood. Of course, there are mercenaries even in the State, who can be called Caldari mercenaries. But they serve only Caldari corporations. Otherwise they wouldn't be Caldari. They are serving the Empire, your ally. Thus they are serving the money of your ally. The well being of your ally positively effects your own efforts does it not? Maybe its some cultural difference but that does not seem like a good reason to ostracize them. In the end it seems to positively effect your own efforts. If it is the fact that they are not all Caldari then let me ask: Hypothetically speaking if I had some change of heart, left Scope Works, withdrew from the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, decided that I wanted to try to be a State citizen, tried for employment with Kaalakiota before enlisting In the State Protectorate and subsequently formed a mercenary corporation with like minded individuals, mainly Sebiestor, would it still in your eyes be seen as a Matari corporation? Would I be seen as a loyal Caldari citizen after disavowing my own culture to take on yours? Please note I'm not trying to defend Pyre. I shoot at them and they shoot at me. I'm just curious as to what you would consider a loyal Caldari corporation and to what extent that goes to. Also if it is not apparent I have no clue as to how to go about trying to be a Caldari citizen. Its just not something I have ever really had a reason to look into so excuse me if I got that wrong on how to become one if its even really possible.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5055	Posted - 2015.06.23 17:20:33 - [149] - Quote To be a Caldari citizen you simply have to be a citizen of a registered Caldari Corporation. Most Corporations are aligned with or owned by one of the Okusaiken, the eight big Megacorporations that run most of the State. So, to reiterate, despite what Miss Provist-Pants over there thinks, Pyre Falcon is a registered affiliate of Kalaakiota Corporation and many of it's employees are citizens of that Corporation or others within the State. I am not at liberty to explore the specifics of our contracts with the Empire or Kalaakiota, but I doubt I need to prove my bona-fides as a Caldari citizen anymore than I already have, do I? Being a 'good' Caldari is, of course, a much more complex matter than simply being a Caldari citizen, but I doubt that a mouthy half-breed has much to teach me there, either. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Deitra Vess Scope Works 439	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:04:16 - [150] - Quote well, at least I kinda got it. I would imagine if your an affiliate of Kalaakiola there would be something going back to your mother megacorporation right? Not asking what, still there is some connection financially or otherwise right? I've always kinda assumed something aside from loyalty still bound you to them.



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