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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
1097
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Posted - 2015.06.08 22:07:59 -
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Rinai, possibly one of the biggest obstacles to peace might be blowhards like your glorious leader here. Pretty sure you and I could get on quite amicably with respect to the Gallente Militia space. |
Julianus Soter
Moira.
Villore Accords
277
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:05:56 -
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I appreciate that I've been upgraded from "warcriminal" to "blowhard"... my thanks.
The legislation proposed in this transmission, if you had bothered to read it, is indeed one of the surest steps to peace we can take. Unfortunate that you don't seem to take such serious attempts at reconciliation to heart.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
633
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:52:12 -
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He does have a point. Nobody is forcing you people to make these discussions about Soter's personality rather than his policy proposals.
However you feel about Soter, or others like him in the Federation... none of that should matter when it comes to negotiating a livable peace. That's one thing he understands that many here do not: peace is not something you make with your friends. Its something you make with your enemies. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
4937
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Posted - 2015.06.09 14:56:41 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:He does have a point. Nobody is forcing you people to make these discussions about Soter's personality rather than his policy proposals.
However you feel about Soter, or others like him in the Federation... none of that should matter when it comes to negotiating a livable peace. That's one thing he understands that many here do not: peace is not something you make with your friends. Its something you make with your enemies.
It's also not something we'll be making with Julianus Soter and yourself, Rinai. It's something that our handlers will be making with his handlers - unless the peace process underway in Pakshi turns out very differently than I expect, that is.
Besides, you're assuming the issue we have with Julianus is his policies and not his personality and, bereft of arguments in the face of his vision and brilliance, we're reduced to attacking his personality. That is not so - Julianus' vision for the administration of Gallente sovereignty space is entirely a matter for those charged to actually administrate star systems to belittle and ignore, not us. The thing we take issue with is him coming in here every four or five days to trumpet every banal little achievement as if he's changed the face of the cluster forever - like a potty-trained crechekid declaiming that "he's a big boy now."
Things that happen in the warzone routinely:
1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
634
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Posted - 2015.06.09 16:00:30 -
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Ugh. Y'know what Pieter? Childish is as childish does.
There are all kinds of topics posted to the IGS over subject matter that I find banal and routine. Guess what I do?
I don't respond. I leave people to the discussion of topics of more interest to them than they are to me.
How dare you spread your petty mess over this subject and claim to be the adult. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1741
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Posted - 2015.06.09 16:16:33 -
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I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".
If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.
The Federation must be destroyed. |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
634
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Posted - 2015.06.09 18:05:45 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The thing we take issue with is him coming in here every four or five days to trumpet every banal little achievement as if he's changed the face of the cluster forever - there's a big difference between a proud father hanging his kid's artwork on the fridge and petitioning to hang it in a gallery.
Things that happen in the warzone routinely:
1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped
First off, hyperbole much? Soter posted his last topic two months ago. He's hardly spamming "every four or five days."
Second, this point of this topic isn't that we took one system, although I've done that exact thing in the past. It is that every Gallente system is back under Federation control. That isn't an every day occurrence.
Have you considered what it would take for the Caldari to claim such an accomplishment? They'd have to take systems like Nennamalia and Eha that haven't changed hands in years. It would require a coordinated campaign of many pilots and entail months of effort. That's of course assuming that all determined opposition hadn't retreated from the field.
To recapture these constellations we confronted a determined foe. We coordinated major contributions of effort Fleet Commanders, Pilots, and Corporations well beyond the everyday activities of the Militia. That's what this accomplishment required, and that's what we are proud of. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1020
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:35:42 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".
If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.
The Federation must be destroyed.
You were right, her cheeks do dimple when she scowls.
Payment has been forwarded.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
1718
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Posted - 2015.06.10 09:18:22 -
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Okay, okay, standard protocols for propaganda thread ****-posting aside (I believe the requisite quotas of, "Why my good sir/madam it appears you are quite mad/salty," Followed by, "Why no my good sir/madam it appears it is in fact you who is quite mad/salty," Has been fulfilled). I suppose credit is due to the FDU for running the timers down on all those military complexes to make the Federation whole again.
No doubt a mind numbing task, but for the past half-decade I believe the Villore Accords (and their militia allies) have always been up to the task of the mind numbing. I raise a toast now to all you patriotic soldiers and FNA graduates of their degrees in warp core stabilization enlisted with the FDU -- without you such a victory would be impossible. Having secured such glory, it is only right the Villore Accords be accorded the relevance they no doubt deserve - as the most competent and capable FDU organization led by the most competent and capable leader - by a grateful Senate.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
639
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Posted - 2015.06.11 01:59:49 -
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Actually, I think its to the credit of both the Caldari and the Gallente involved in fighting over the last month in the Esesier / Anchauttes / Alamel area that neither side was fielding much in the way of Warp Core Stabs.
In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a group of Caldari pilots more willing to field Battleships and other heavy ships during a campaign. Our opponents were far from risk averse, which was very refreshing. GMVA pilots definitely enjoyed bringing out the heavy stuff themselves. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
247
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Posted - 2015.06.11 03:16:12 -
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Reading your posts, I cannot tell whether this whole charade is a game to you, or if you truly believe you are "defending freedom," as nationalistic Gallenteans like to say. I would certainly hope that facing the loss of valuable crewmen, and constantly uprooting millions of local inhabitants of the systems being fought over would not be a simple war game for you, Rinai.
Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Officer
Gÿ+ [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
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Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
225
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:42:37 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped
You forgot:
3. Lowsec markets
4. ???
5. Profit |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
639
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Posted - 2015.06.12 05:21:47 -
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Korsavius wrote:Reading your posts, I cannot tell whether this whole charade is a game to you, or if you truly believe you are "defending freedom," as nationalistic Gallenteans like to say. I would certainly hope that facing the loss of valuable crewmen, and constantly uprooting millions of local inhabitants of the systems being fought over would not be a simple war game for you, Rinai.
What mystifies me is the difficulty of having a genuine discussion related to the conduct of the Militia Wars.
On the one hand, we are mocked as naive for expressing a belief that our actions have any relevance whatsoever. Then at the exact same time, someone else shows up to chide us for what... not taking our mission or ourselves seriously enough?
How dare I not subscribe to the prevailing affectation of cynicism around here, am I right? Perish the thought that an organization engaged in the CEWPA Conflict actually invest itself in the outcome of that conflict.
For the record: yes, I believe I am defending freedom by helping to restore the territorial integrity of sovereign Federation space. I do believe in the universal value of individual Liberty as a basic right for all humanity. Personally, though, I don't subscribe to the perspective that conquest of Caldari systems makes them "free" that some of my comrades espouse. I believe the best form of government is what people choose for themselves, even if they choose one as corrupt as the CEP.
That's why I support Soter's proposal for granting ongoing work permits and a path to Federation citizenship. Eventually, there will be a peace settlement. At that point both sides need to recognize the rights of those displaced during the conflict to stay and pursue productive lives, or "vote with their feet" back to the government of their choice. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
556
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Posted - 2015.06.12 08:12:05 -
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Two mad dogs, barking at each other. It's only entertaining briefly: get those ships undocked and kill each other already, without all this empty capsuleer bravado.
It's really a one in a million situation to find a thread where Kim-haani is the one making most sense.
As for the original thread content, that's a marvelous and commendable achievement - more territory to control means more thinly spread Gallente Navy forces, which will make things more enjoyable for the Guardian Angels in the area.
As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
4959
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:01:14 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.
Not empty quoting - dirt always accumulates in the corners of a house the owner is too busy to clean regularly.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1843
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:50:06 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".
If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.
The Federation must be destroyed. You were right, her cheeks do dimple when she scowls. Payment has been forwarded.
Oh my gosh that is adorable |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
251
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Posted - 2015.06.13 16:20:41 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Two mad dogs, barking at each other. It's only entertaining briefly: get those ships undocked and kill each other already, without all this empty capsuleer bravado.
It's really a one in a million situation to find a thread where Kim-haani is the one making most sense.
As for the original thread content, that's a marvelous and commendable achievement - more territory to control means more thinly spread Gallente Navy forces, which will make things more enjoyable for the Guardian Angels in the area.
As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.
I wouldn't call a single comment of calm and collected criticism barking from a mad dog. Her response, I would argue, is equally calm and collected, even if a tad irritated in tone which is understandable.
Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Officer
Gÿ+ [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
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Emoh Aidem
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.14 08:01:56 -
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Vizage wrote:Squids? A depressing show of true colours from Villore. Perhaps you should choose a better venue for your questionable choice of words.
But the Calamari is always fresh when served in Gallente controlled stations. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
864
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Posted - 2015.06.14 08:12:34 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:I appreciate that I've been upgraded from "warcriminal" to "blowhard"... my thanks.
The legislation proposed in this transmission, if you had bothered to read it, is indeed one of the surest steps to peace we can take. Unfortunate that you don't seem to take such serious attempts at reconciliation to heart.
Mr Soter we will have to do something then in regards to such an upgrade in title. A metal will have to be commissioned in your honor. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
864
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Posted - 2015.06.14 08:20:01 -
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I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy.
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1855
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Posted - 2015.06.14 15:01:21 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy.
Is that what we are called in the Federation? A ... Corptocracy?
I don't really know what that is, I'm afraid. We have a few words to describe our structure here. My personal favourite is Tiirotiuul.
... which I suppose translates into The Way of Winds, and I suppose isn't very helpful to you! Let me try again, I'll pull up a Gallente political reference this time.
There it is. Corporate Feudal State. It even has our name in the title! There we are, I think that is a little more descriptive. It's not simply rule-by-corporations. It is corporate rule within a traditional power structure. Is that better? |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1046
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:20:49 -
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Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.
In governing direction, they are opposites. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
4975
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:52:51 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.
In governing direction, they are opposites.
These days, I wonder if there's even much in it anymore in terms of which is more authoritarian...
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1865
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:57:06 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.
In governing direction, they are opposites.
I guess that is unsurprising! When we were approached by the Luminarians, we received many of their ideas, and when we were pulled into interstellar politics we were put into the shape that those ideas presented. We are a different people, though, and have different ideas, so even though we have this similar shape, its contents are very different.
Interesting! |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
871
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:55:26 -
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Scherezad wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy. Is that what we are called in the Federation? A ... Corptocracy? I don't really know what that is, I'm afraid. We have a few words to describe our structure here. My personal favourite is Tiirotiuul. ... which I suppose translates into The Way of Winds, and I suppose isn't very helpful to you! Let me try again, I'll pull up a Gallente political reference this time. There it is. Corporate Feudal State. It even has our name in the title! There we are, I think that is a little more descriptive. It's not simply rule-by-corporations. It is corporate rule within a traditional power structure. Is that better?
-Redacted- After reading what others have said. No need to beat a dead horse. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
871
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Posted - 2015.06.14 20:06:08 -
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Scherezad wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.
In governing direction, they are opposites. I guess that is unsurprising! When we were approached by the Luminarians, we received many of their ideas, and when we were pulled into interstellar politics we were put into the shape that those ideas presented. We are a different people, though, and have different ideas, so even though we have this similar shape, its contents are very different. Interesting!
If nothing I started an open discussion about the differences between the State and the Federation. Note I didn't say Gallente Federation or Caldari State since they are more than made of more than just Gallente or Caldari. |
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