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Dark Kavar	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:11:00 - [1] I've been hearing mixed opinions, but is it really necessary to have tech II artillary cannons on a tempest just starting out? Otherwise it's another 114 days of training time on top of 2 months for the required skills and level IV of the secondary skills for me.
Aversin Gallente JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:17:00 - [2] Nope back in the day I used t1 1400mm's just fine. However t2 are just soo much better, if you're serious about the med-long range tempest, go t2. Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:33:00 - [3] Currently the T1 artys are so poor they are nigh on useless for PvP. (Yes I'm sure there are those of you out there who are going to say that with your 5 mil in gunnery and your 7 T2 gyros etc they are fine, but really, IDFC) ----- There is no Spoon
Sm0kE	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Cheese999 (Yes I'm sure there are those of you out there who are going to say that with your 5 mil in gunnery and your 7 T2 gyros etc they are fine, but really, IDFC) They are fine. But its not 5m in gunnery, think higher... ------------------------------------------------
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.20 08:40:00 - [5] what is artillary? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes It contains my ingame name and corp ticker - Serj
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:17:00 - [6] It's not just artillery - with T2 ammo you are virtually useless in fleet combat unless you have T2 guns and T2 ammo loaded (or the ability to do so). For PVE, just use what you like :) _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
dietbong	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:18:00 - [7] artillery is one of the two projectile weapons. Auto Cannons is he other. this weaponary is usually used by minmatar...
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Dark Kavar I've been hearing mixed opinions, but is it really necessary to have tech II artillary cannons on a tempest just starting out? Otherwise it's another 114 days of training time on top of 2 months for the required skills and level IV of the secondary skills for me. pve whise proablly not that much needed, iam not a 100% sure, but pve whise its just a time thing, with t2 u would need less time. PVP whise, well for me it is, eve combat these days is quiet often at 150km+ u can go there with t1 long range but u do a lousy damage, when it comes to short range quake is ur friend, emp isnt that bad either ;) In the end u need to have t2 cause its a big difference, in damge and range, but when u r absolut new and the pest is the only bs u can fly in combat, u might wanna start with t1 just to give u a feeling for combat situations in direct damage dealer bs. Cause it makes no sense to have a t2 pest and no clue about it. And how can it be that u need 100+ days for t2 l howis? No other t2 howi skilled so far?
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.11.20 10:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Kavar I've been hearing mixed opinions, but is it really necessary to have tech II artillary cannons on a tempest just starting out? Not really. A proper T1 setup can hit at 160km+ and T2 is getting nerfed anyway. In a few weeks, people who need longer range in fleet battles, will train for the Rokh anyway. Although, 1400mm T2 + Quake L sure does nice damage.
Mordorg Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.11.20 10:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Dark Kavar I've been hearing mixed opinions, but is it really necessary to have tech II artillary cannons on a tempest just starting out? Not really. A proper T1 setup can hit at 160km+ and T2 is getting nerfed anyway. In a few weeks, people who need longer range in fleet battles, will train for the Rokh anyway. Although, 1400mm T2 + Quake L sure does nice damage. Unless your using scouts, I hardly consider Being at optimal + falloff to be effective. Sure you can hit, but a 50% miss rate sucks. But as for quake, Yum. I love Quake. Its too bad they are nerfing it. Yes it did huge damage, but under most circumstances its not usable. But those 3k+ wreaking hits sure make you feel good.
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:25:00 - [11] Originally by: dietbong artillery is one of the two projectile weapons. Auto Cannons is he other. this weaponary is usually used by minmatar... Serj Darek's Ironic Musing of artillAry glanzes of dietbong missing the point completley. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes It contains my ingame name and corp ticker - Serj
Perani	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Serj Darek Originally by: dietbong artillery is one of the two projectile weapons. Auto Cannons is he other. this weaponary is usually used by minmatar... Serj Darek's Ironic Musing of artillAry glanzes of dietbong missing the point completley. what does "glanzes of" mean?
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Serj Darek what is artillary? I think he is talking about those Minmitar turrents. Forsch Defender of the empire It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Dark Kavar	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Dark Kavar And how can it be that u need 100+ days for t2 l howis? No other t2 howi skilled so far? nope, just starting out training minmatar ships since I originally started with caldari
Imhotep Khem Total Mayhem.	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:49:00 - [15] No, T1 works just fine. Just don't fight people 3x your age, or use EW... ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
Riddick06	Posted - 2006.11.21 12:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Mordorg But as for quake, Yum. I love Quake. Its too bad they are nerfing it. Yes it did huge damage, but under most circumstances its not usable. But those 3k+ wreaking hits sure make you feel good. How are they nerfing quake exactly? in damage or gimping your ship up even more..
Liu	Posted - 2006.11.21 12:41:00 - [17] what is weaponary?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.11.21 13:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Serj Darek what is artillary? I think he is talking about those Minmitar turrents. I think they're overpowdered. Unless you're fighting Rouge Drones, then they rock. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
Liu	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Serj Darek what is artillary? I think he is talking about those Minmitar turrents. I think they're overpowdered. Unless you're fighting Rouge Drones, then they rock. just dont try using them on a caracel or a diemos (or any fraction ship, btw)

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