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Ossprey
Lucri Causa Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:39:00 -
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user ossprey is banned Last Login: 2006.11.18 22:01 Number of Visits: 2972 Reason: hoarding rigs and selling for 100mil+ per unit
First Of all I'm only selling them at market Value or Below being 50 million in batches as large as I can Produce. this is going with the market Feature of the game. SECONDLY I am not Hording these Rigs as I sell evry single one I'm produceing, this includes researching the Manu Times in the one RND slot I'm able too run. I have taken RIG request's and Am trying too produce these at the best posible Rate. SO if the Test players want to not Buy rig's then I'll not produce them and they just have too Eve-Mail me the fact But this BAN goes Against All that CCP wanted as these rigs are not Seeded by the GM's and can be sold at a FAIR market Value!! And as for Hording I just Canceled my Own orders as too Group my sell orders of the same types so as too keep the number of my sales slots open. and as I'm Transshipping them several systems for construction the cost is inline with what the market Demands.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:36:00 -
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Why on earth didnt you just sell your stuff for 100 isk a piece anyways, its the test server who cares about profits
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TomParad0x
Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.20 20:15:00 -
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Why the hell would you need to sell them that price?
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.20 20:57:00 -
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why the **** did you even sell them for 100 mill? Oo
its the test server for gods sake you cant take those profits with you to TQ
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Kala Veijo
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.20 21:45:00 -
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Selling them for 100mil is crime against other players tbh.
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Ossprey
Lucri Causa Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:05:00 -
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If You read the Post I sold the Items for 50 mil or Less than Half what evryone else was selling for And Yes I did Need the ISK on the test server Cause the Dev's will not A) give out ISK B) Spawn Rigs
And It was Either that Or detting 80 or so Dreads And Hold ON !! You blow one 100 ISK raven that automaticly gives you 53 Mil uninsuredor any Tier 2 BS And I was testng manufactureing of rigs* Like I was asked too.
*Please see Bug repots filed
but you guys will need to Do the Mass production without me. BTW the Dev that BANNED me if he did Check my hanger he would have SEEN that I had no RIGS unless he was thinking of the ones in manufactureing that material Cost of 300K units of each Salvage too produce times 5 BPO's that adds up too a LARGE amount of KIT
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Takaharu Tsuyoshi
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:11:00 -
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Buy 100 isk ship, self destruct, collect usual insurance money.
There's your free isk.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 21/11/2006 00:17:45
Originally by: TomParad0x Why the hell would you need to sell them that price?
Probably to stop someone from buying out his stock and actually hoarding them? or at least make it a bit harder.
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TomParad0x
Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 21/11/2006 00:17:45
Originally by: TomParad0x Why the hell would you need to sell them that price?
Probably to stop someone from buying out his stock and actually hoarding them? or at least make it a bit harder.
Ok, worst case, some one buys out his stock ( which from what i am reading is quite a bit? ), report them for hoarding.
Originally by: Ossprey If You read the Post I sold the Items for 50 mil or Less than Half what evryone else was selling for And Yes I did Need the ISK on the test server Cause the Dev's will not A) give out ISK B) Spawn Rigs
And It was Either that Or detting 80 or so Dreads And Hold ON !! You blow one 100 ISK raven that automaticly gives you 53 Mil uninsuredor any Tier 2 BS And I was testng manufactureing of rigs* Like I was asked too.
*Please see Bug repots filed
but you guys will need to Do the Mass production without me. BTW the Dev that BANNED me if he did Check my hanger he would have SEEN that I had no RIGS unless he was thinking of the ones in manufactureing that material Cost of 300K units of each Salvage too produce times 5 BPO's that adds up too a LARGE amount of KIT
Insure the raven then? Or better yet, try a tier 3 BS, they give more when self destructed, or even a freighter / dread / carrier if you can use one.
From what i can tell, rig BPOs dont need that much to build: Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard: ( Why the hell is a f e g, in s a f e guard censored? ) Malfunctioning Shield Emitter: 27 ( 27*100 = 2700 isk ) Charred Micro Circuit: 67 ( 67*100 = 6700 isk) Fried Interface Circuit: 81 ( 81*100 = 8100 isk) Total Cost: 17,500
Ok, say you wanted to make 1k of these: Malfunctioning Shield Emitter: 27000 ( 27000*100 = 2,700,000 isk ) Charred Micro Circuit: 67500 ( 67500*100 = 6,750,000 isk) Fried Interface Circuit: 81000 ( 81000*100 = 8,100,000 isk) Total Cost: 17,550,000
So far i could make 1k with less than id get from self destructing one raven without insurance. Granted you would need to make more, i see no viable need to sell for 50mil each, less yes, not 50 mil and whoever is selling it for 100 mil are the ones who should be banned.
Now, im not saying what you were doing is bad, testing the construction of rigs, selling them for others to use - thats good. The problem was you charged to much. Selling 1k rigs, at 1 mil per unit would bring in 1 billion, way more than enough to cover the cost of construction. In fact, i could sell them for 20k a per unit and make enough to cover it.
Please correct me if im missing something...
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:52:00 -
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My alt got banned as well. I was putting a couple of the more popular rigs up for around 20M.
I was putting em up for 20M so that people wouldn't buy them all out at once, and if people were asking for isk I was more than willing to hand it out to keep testing going.
I thought I was doing a service by helping get these items on the market so people could test them, but I guess not. Oh, and this comes right after a BH member tells me to stuff it when I asked about people putting rigs up for 100M a piece, and being told that "ISK has no meaning here so it doesn't matter."
I fail to see why my alt should be banned from the TEST server when what I was doing was helping the test process by putting up items that were not on market. Besides that fact, I think we were all given the skills to build them, so it is simply by choice that people were buying off market and not building for themselves, which contradicts any accusation of "hording" as these items were not seeded in the first place.
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Mirirar
Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.21 02:58:00 -
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Wow... bringing your case to the forum is sure to gather sympathy from the GM's.
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TomParad0x
Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.21 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 My alt got banned as well. I was putting a couple of the more popular rigs up for around 20M.
I was putting em up for 20M so that people wouldn't buy them all out at once, and if people were asking for isk I was more than willing to hand it out to keep testing going.
I thought I was doing a service by helping get these items on the market so people could test them, but I guess not. Oh, and this comes right after a BH member tells me to stuff it when I asked about people putting rigs up for 100M a piece, and being told that "ISK has no meaning here so it doesn't matter."
I fail to see why my alt should be banned from the TEST server when what I was doing was helping the test process by putting up items that were not on market. Besides that fact, I think we were all given the skills to build them, so it is simply by choice that people were buying off market and not building for themselves, which contradicts any accusation of "hording" as these items were not seeded in the first place.
Already addressed the problems here in my post... If some one buys you out and your making THAT many rigs, report them for hoarding. They can check his hanger, and look into who bought the rigs and match the person.
Other than that, there is no reason to sell something like that for that much isk.
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.21 03:40:00 -
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Here's the contradictory points to the reason for the ban:
-Items are not seeded, thus cannot be "horded" nor "resold" by the definitions of these terms on sisi -I was building the items myself, spending the time to do so to keep people able to test them (listing at 20m as opposed to 100m that most people were doing.) -I was told by a BH member that "It doesn't matter what people sell them for because you can build them yourself and isk has no value here" (And I was putting them up a LOT cheaper than others who had listed)
So much for trying to help out I guess.
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.11.21 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Here's the contradictory points to the reason for the ban:
-Items are not seeded, thus cannot be "horded" nor "resold" by the definitions of these terms on sisi -I was building the items myself, spending the time to do so to keep people able to test them (listing at 20m as opposed to 100m that most people were doing.) -I was told by a BH member that "It doesn't matter what people sell them for because you can build them yourself and isk has no value here" (And I was putting them up a LOT cheaper than others who had listed)
So much for trying to help out I guess.
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Elaron
Minmatar Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mirirar Wow... bringing your case to the forum is sure to gather sympathy from the GM's.
GM's have nothing to do with the test server, leaving any avenue for appeal limited.
OP, you might be better off mailing Kieron directly about this if you feel hard done by.
Elaron
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TomParad0x
Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.21 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Mirirar Wow... bringing your case to the forum is sure to gather sympathy from the GM's.
GM's have nothing to do with the test server, leaving any avenue for appeal limited.
OP, you might be better off mailing Kieron directly about this if you feel hard done by.
I agree, I think their case deserves a review as they were doing a good thing.
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Wen Jaibao
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:53:00 -
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Blow up your freighter or battleship for ISK like everyone else does. Oh wait, you cant now can you, since you got banned. Maybe this will teach you a lesson. Should have sold them for 100isk, I mean what were you thinking? Its the testserver, not TQ where you can rip everyone off all you want.
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DuTot
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:17:00 -
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exactly the same as various other people posted happened to me. i saw that rigs were not available on the server, so i produced some to test for myself and put them on the market, for a high price with the same consideration as everyone else: that some random genius would not buy all of them out so that multiple people could test them.
it is hilarious logic that on a server where isk is more of a statistical number, players are trying to gain something. if there was an option to limit buys to 1 per character i would have put the things up for 1isk, as i am sure the other people would have aswell. since that is not available, isk is at least an attempt to curb the buyout problem.
a bunch of players are tryng to HELP CPP by producing rigs to allow testing of them, something CCP should welcome. since we these players cant create 10000000 items there needed to be at least an attempt of controling buyouts, so that more than a few people could test and HELP CCP identifying problems with rigs. overly active ISD/BH/DEVS then ban these players from a) trying to assist them in testing kali voluntarily b) adressing an apparent oversight on ccp's part, hence improving the testing of kali
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Snikkt
Gallente Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Snikkt on 21/11/2006 22:24:32 100M is WAY too much, however.
In order to pick up a few for testing, I'd need to insurance fraud several dozen ships, seeing as I cannot fly anything bigger then a BC.
------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ossprey user ossprey is banned Last Login: 2006.11.18 22:01 Number of Visits: 2972 Reason: hoarding rigs and selling for 100mil+ per unit
First Of all I'm only selling them at market Value or Below being 50 million in batches as large as I can Produce. this is going with the market Feature of the game. SECONDLY I am not Hording these Rigs as I sell evry single one I'm produceing, this includes researching the Manu Times in the one RND slot I'm able too run. I have taken RIG request's and Am trying too produce these at the best posible Rate. SO if the Test players want to not Buy rig's then I'll not produce them and they just have too Eve-Mail me the fact But this BAN goes Against All that CCP wanted as these rigs are not Seeded by the GM's and can be sold at a FAIR market Value!! And as for Hording I just Canceled my Own orders as too Group my sell orders of the same types so as too keep the number of my sales slots open. and as I'm Transshipping them several systems for construction the cost is inline with what the market Demands.
It serves you right for trying to help others! I'm glad I didn't find the time to test rigs myself, otherwise I would have probably shared your fate and then said "fsck this. they can hire a bigger QA dept if they want testing."
CCP, how can a player hoard something that didn't exist without their efforts? Does this mean bans will be handed out to any players that build rigs and do not sell it, or sell it at above what is deemed a fair price on a server where isk has no value?
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Snikkt
Gallente Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam
Originally by: Ossprey user ossprey is banned Last Login: 2006.11.18 22:01 Number of Visits: 2972 Reason: hoarding rigs and selling for 100mil+ per unit
First Of all I'm only selling them at market Value or Below being 50 million in batches as large as I can Produce. this is going with the market Feature of the game. SECONDLY I am not Hording these Rigs as I sell evry single one I'm produceing, this includes researching the Manu Times in the one RND slot I'm able too run. I have taken RIG request's and Am trying too produce these at the best posible Rate. SO if the Test players want to not Buy rig's then I'll not produce them and they just have too Eve-Mail me the fact But this BAN goes Against All that CCP wanted as these rigs are not Seeded by the GM's and can be sold at a FAIR market Value!! And as for Hording I just Canceled my Own orders as too Group my sell orders of the same types so as too keep the number of my sales slots open. and as I'm Transshipping them several systems for construction the cost is inline with what the market Demands.
It serves you right for trying to help others! I'm glad I didn't find the time to test rigs myself, otherwise I would have probably shared your fate and then said "fsck this. they can hire a bigger QA dept if they want testing."
CCP, how can a player hoard something that didn't exist without their efforts? Does this mean bans will be handed out to any players that build rigs and do not sell it, or sell it at above what is deemed a fair price on a server where isk has no value?
There is no such thing as a fair price when money is no object, however, getting a hold of money, however useless, is still difficult in some cases, making extremely overpriced things such as Osspreys rigs unneeded.
Like I stated above, some players that would like to test out these things cannot due to player price gouging, and some of them cannot commit insurance fraud to the degree needed to shell out 100+ million for one rig which they just want to test.
That's like making all new ships cost 100+ million, to prevent hoarding. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
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Deimos Regal
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:41:00 -
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Personally I see this as reinforcement that CCP does not want the market to be usefull as a weapon.
Everything in EVE eventually falls back on who has the most SP in gunnery and stuff. Someone, a corp, or alliance has no control over who purchases their goods. And now it seems that CCP doesn't even want us to sell our goods unless they deem it a reasonable cost.
How can the market be player driven when CCP ends up directing it anyway?
Sure isk doesn't carry the same weight on the test server, but how can you "test" the market if the market is broken to begin with?
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Erfnam on 21/11/2006 22:48:07
Originally by: Snikkt There is no such thing as a fair price when money is no object, however, getting a hold of money, however useless, is still difficult in some cases, making extremely overpriced things such as Osspreys rigs unneeded.
Like I stated above, some players that would like to test out these things cannot due to player price gouging, and some of them cannot commit insurance fraud to the degree needed to shell out 100+ million for one rig which they just want to test.
That's like making all new ships cost 100+ million, to prevent hoarding.
I would agree with you, except that players who can't afford to take the lazy route of buying rigs or insurance fraud, can always build the rigs themselves. Or they can ask if some one could give them isk or a rig for testing. Now if some one were to go around and buy up all of the rigs on market and just resell them at a higher price, they are hindering testing. My main objection to the ban is that a player spent the time to gather the materials to build rigs, and then was banned for sharing them other players. If the GMs object to the price, they could always contact the builder and ask him to lower the price, or they could seed the rigs so players would not have to provide them.
Edit: No good deed goes unpunished.
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Snikkt There is no such thing as a fair price when money is no object, however, getting a hold of money, however useless, is still difficult in some cases, making extremely overpriced things such as Osspreys rigs unneeded.
Like I stated above, some players that would like to test out these things cannot due to player price gouging, and some of them cannot commit insurance fraud to the degree needed to shell out 100+ million for one rig which they just want to test.
That's like making all new ships cost 100+ million, to prevent hoarding.
No it isnt. Because all the new ships are seeded in quantities of 99,999,999. Right there your argument is void. There is a limited amount of rigs which can be produced per day due to limitations on factory skills, bpo's, etc.
And also, like I said, I was listing mine for 15-20m so that a single ship loss's insurance (battleship that is) would cover the cost of the rigs and so that people weren't buying them out.
Aside from that fact is the simple fact that a BH member told me that "It doesn't matter because money is no object here so if you don't like it go build them yourself." So I did, AND made them far easier to grab off market than the 100m+ pricetags. And besides that fact, all the chars on sisi were GIVEN the skills to do it, so its not like people couldn't go and build the rigs for themselves in the first place.
At least Erfnam has some sense.
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Ryo Jang
Central Defiance Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deimos Regal Personally I see this as reinforcement that CCP does not want the market to be usefull as a weapon.
Everything in EVE eventually falls back on who has the most SP in gunnery and stuff. Someone, a corp, or alliance has no control over who purchases their goods. And now it seems that CCP doesn't even want us to sell our goods unless they deem it a reasonable cost.
How can the market be player driven when CCP ends up directing it anyway?
Sure isk doesn't carry the same weight on the test server, but how can you "test" the market if the market is broken to begin with?
ITS THE TEST SERVER FFS
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.11.22 02:18:00 -
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The action itself is irrelevant, but what's obvious here is that the BH/whatever responsible is clearly not sufficiently grounded for the role.
I guess that's what you get for free labor.
What a moron.
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:25:00 -
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God **** greedy carebears! Serves you right IMO.. Go GMs/DEVs
Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming God **** greedy carebears! Serves you right IMO.. Go GMs/DEVs
Um... ok? Here let me quote something for you:
Originally by: Ryo Jang ITS THE TEST SERVER FFS
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2
Originally by: Kunming God **** greedy carebears! Serves you right IMO.. Go GMs/DEVs
Um... ok? Here let me quote something for you:
Originally by: Ryo Jang ITS THE TEST SERVER FFS
Then why do you put the stuff up at more than 100 ISK?!
If you are complaining about hoarding, then contact a GM about your problem. So holster your weapon cowboy, this aint wild west where you make your own rules.
Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:55:00 -
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Non seeded item, therefore the reason for the ban which was "Hoarding and reselling" is invalid, ESPECIALLY since everyone is free to make them on their own.
You're making yourself look like a fool more than anything right now tbh.
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