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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:00:00 -
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I still vote for having one of the Amarr BS (doesn't really matter which one) turned into either a droneship or a missileship. Or both.
This game really lacks armortanking missileboats. At the same time I'd also love all the Khanid T2 ships to be turned into missileboats.
I'm really disliking that Amarr got nothing but lasergank/tank ships, with the only difference between the ships being their balance in either the lasergank or the tank direction. Boring. =/
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:09:00 -
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In case some of you are unsure, yes afaik this is a very bad typo. One of the worst.
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Lenaria
Caldari
Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Aion Amarra
I still vote for having one of the Amarr BS (doesn't really matter which one) turned into either a droneship or a missileship. Or both.
This game really lacks armortanking missileboats. At the same time I'd also love all the Khanid T2 ships to be turned into missileboats.
I'm really disliking that Amarr got nothing but lasergank/tank ships, with the only difference between the ships being their balance in either the lasergank or the tank direction. Boring. =/
You cant turn Amarr BS into drone or missile ships. If its will be better/equal Dominix/Raven - then other races will rightfully cry, and its bad from RP and game logic perspective anyway. If you make it worse than these ships, than amarrian will cry about yet another useless insult from CCP. So, forget about drones and missiles as primary weapon. Still, that leaves alot of options like split weapon system, EW bonuses, NOS bonuses, and many other funny things like 25% higher sensor strenght per lvl. You just need to have fantasy, there are a LOT of possibilities to make ship unique without stepping in other races gardens...
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
I speak for 'us' as the majority not wanting another battleship that fills the same role as the armageddon and apocalypse.
You made your bed, mr 'lasers and armor' amarr specialist. Lie in it.
Aint our fault you have such a one dimensional race 
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Forsch
I speak for 'us' as the majority not wanting another battleship that fills the same role as the armageddon and apocalypse.
You made your bed, mr 'lasers and armor' amarr specialist. Lie in it.
Aint our fault you have such a one dimensional race
It is a bit one dimensional race. I don't think the way to fix it is to have them borrow some other race speciality but we have been discussing giving Amarr some oomph. It won't happen in Kali 1 though, more on this later.
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:18:00 -
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Players, please no more whining about what you want to change about the abaddon, make 1000 new threads. The point of this thread is to bring to light a slight error in programming, and to analyze its effect on multiple setups. Ive not seen a new build yet today, if its been fixed, then ignore this thread altogether. If not, then reply sensibly on what effect it has on your setup and stop whining. Stop. Stop. Stop. The Abaddon is what CCP made it to be. A heavy tanked high damage laser vessel. It fills the Amarr warfare philosophy quite well. Want drones? go Gallente. Want missiles? Hop in a raven like us Caldari cheaters. Otherwise, stop complaining and trying to make a missile drones wtfpwning vessel that does not fit the Amarr style whatsoever, save for the arbitrator and its tech II counterparts.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Forsch
I speak for 'us' as the majority not wanting another battleship that fills the same role as the armageddon and apocalypse.
You made your bed, mr 'lasers and armor' amarr specialist. Lie in it.
that would be ok if our lasers would be more powerful than hybrids/projectiles/missiles/drones to make up for their shortcomings and amarrian predictability and if our armor tanks were actually better than those of other races and if we wouldnt be better off fitting projectiles to tank.
as it is now we are specializing in mediocre tanks and sub-standard weapons.
just introducing more amarrian ships that have the same problems (or in case of the abaddon worse problems) than our already existing ones does not help at all. this was already obvious months ago when the abaddon was first announced and several ideas were put forward on how to fix this.
instead of actually doing anything about it tux seems to have decided to just sit back and introduce even more broken designs.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
It is a bit one dimensional race. I don't think the way to fix it is to have them borrow some other race speciality but we have been discussing giving Amarr some oomph. It won't happen in Kali 1 though, more on this later.
its quiet understandable that you dont want to do a complete overhaul of the failed racial concept of amarrian ships right away for kali 1.
but why do you insist on adding a tier3 bs that does not provide anything new at all to the amarrian fleet while it inherits all of the problems our existing ships have and actually is worse off in many situations due to the lack of the laser cap use reduction?
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Wizzkidy on 22/11/2006 18:25:25
Originally by: Tuxford
It is a bit one dimensional race. I don't think the way to fix it is to have them borrow some other race speciality but we have been discussing giving Amarr some oomph. It won't happen in Kali 1 though, more on this later.
This is what I like to hear 
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YOYO MAMA
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:41:00 -
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cough-NOSasAmarianweaponsystem-cough
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Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Luric Vizjier on 23/11/2006 00:02:51
Guys, "oomph" really implies something special, so i'm excited.
I forsee so many possibilities from this "oomph".
And no, not NOS. I forsee some kind of Laser modulation mod, giving huge increase to damage in exchange for massive amounts of cap (active mod please). Or the long awaited XL Armor Rep (maybe w/ the Apoc getting a bonus change *nudge nudge*).
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Luric Vizjier
Guys, "oomph" really implies something special, so i'm excited.
I forsee so many possibilities from this "oomph".
normally i would agree with you there.
then i remember what good things tux has done for amarr so far and his lack of understanding regarding such issues like the hp-boost.
when he was first handed the nerfbat i was pretty optimistic and liked his ideas. now he will have to have some really good ones to try and change my opinion of the quality of his work. looking on the recent changes to amarrian ships i expect a 1% grid and 5% laser damage boost to be "oomph".
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.23 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Etherios
Come on guys get hold of ur selves the problem was and still is the CAP... the damage bonus will get fixed.
Put somethought before whinning plz 
Well my friend who knows the thought behind some of these things...ya it wouldn't make sense but maybe they think the Abaddon would be too overpowered or something without hurting it like this.
As far as others have mentioned about the Abaddon filling a role different than the Apoc or Geddon I think the Abaddon might. Hear me out. The Geddon can deal damage but can't tank worth a ****. The Apoc can tank great but the dps isn't all that good. I think with the right setup and skills the Abaddon might be a good solo pvp ship (now that it is a damage bonus and not an rof thing) You can now replace some of the armor hardeners and heat sinks with cap power relays (especially with T2 when they come out). Also with rig that allows you to lower cap usage of turrets I think it will be an okay ship. Until you run into someone with multiple NOS and then you're screwed like with every other Amarr ship)
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Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Almarez
Originally by: Etherios
Come on guys get hold of ur selves the problem was and still is the CAP... the damage bonus will get fixed.
Put somethought before whinning plz
Well my friend who knows the thought behind some of these things...ya it wouldn't make sense but maybe they think the Abaddon would be too overpowered or something without hurting it like this.
As far as others have mentioned about the Abaddon filling a role different than the Apoc or Geddon I think the Abaddon might. Hear me out. The Geddon can deal damage but can't tank worth a ****. The Apoc can tank great but the dps isn't all that good. I think with the right setup and skills the Abaddon might be a good solo pvp ship (now that it is a damage bonus and not an rof thing) You can now replace some of the armor hardeners and heat sinks with cap power relays (especially with T2 when they come out). Also with rig that allows you to lower cap usage of turrets I think it will be an okay ship. Until you run into someone with multiple NOS and then you're screwed like with every other Amarr ship)
Abaddon would be WTFBBQ Overpowered with the cap use bonus. The thing is already a godlike tanker (while using weak guns), imagine being able to fire much more powerful arsenal while supporting that massive tank? Totally unreasonable power. While it'd be nice for it get this bonus, it ain't gonna happen.
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