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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:36:24 -
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I read lots of kill mails and I have noticed that lots of people fly with ships that have one or more empty slots. Is fitting ships in EVE too slow stuff or is there other reason for not having fully fitted ships? Should contract system have better interface for selling fitted ships so it could become business for some to fit ships for others?
This is open discussion why EVE capsuleers fly with ships that have empty slots and what could be done to fix this problem?
Mikhem
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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:38:11 -
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Why is this a problem? |
Terminus Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
United Interests
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:41:52 -
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I fly unfitted when it is either brand new (I only do this in high sec) or if I'm just trying to get somewhere |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:47:12 -
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Mikhem wrote:I read lots of kill mails and I have noticed that lots of people fly with ships that have one or more empty slots. Is fitting ships in EVE too slow stuff or is there other reason for not having fully fitted ships? Should contract system have better interface for selling fitted ships so it could become business for some to fit ships for others?
This is open discussion why EVE capsuleers fly with ships that have empty slots and what could be done to fix this problem?
This is only a problem if you are obsessed with killboard stats.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9999
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:52:26 -
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Anyone else remember that thread here about a year or two ogo where a cap pilot (I want to say Phoenix?) Undocked to have a look at his new ship without first fitting the damn thing, couldn't redock and was asking for help.
Within five minutes ge posted again" never mind, someone blew it up [sad face ]".
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics
CODE.
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:55:33 -
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I use Antimatter and Void S to solve this problem. CCP doesn't need to do anything, we got this. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:58:55 -
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I think the solution is "Fly better".
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:12:25 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I think the solution is "Fly better".
Too much effort. Cant CCP do it for us?
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5786
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:17:16 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I think the solution is "Fly better". Too much effort. Cant CCP do it for us?
Nah.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21786
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:18:26 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I think the solution is "Fly better". Too much effort. Cant CCP do it for us? Nah.
What if we made like..20 threads about it?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9999
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:19:56 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I think the solution is "Fly better". Too much effort. Cant CCP do it for us? Nah. What if we made like..20 threads about it?
That only works for cearbears dude.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:26:26 -
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Sometimes fitting is tight, the only mod that would fit is barely useful at all, local prices are just a scam and the next station wirh decent prices is 20 iumps away. In those cases I just don't care my fit has a tooth missing 
Remove insurance.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:28:32 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:What if we made like..20 threads about it? That only works for cearbears dude.
So.. 30 then?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1886
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:46:19 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:What if we made like..20 threads about it? That only works for cearbears dude. So.. 30 then?
Just say it's for the newbies.
Also, on topic, unfitted ship seem to be kinda good at plexing on the cheap... |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:48:10 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:What if we made like..20 threads about it? That only works for cearbears dude. So.. 30 then? Just say it's for the newbies. Also, on topic, unfitted ship seem to be kinda good at plexing on the cheap...
Or QOL
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
755
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:18:54 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Anyone else remember that thread here about a year or two ogo where a cap pilot (I want to say Phoenix?) Undocked to have a look at his new ship without first fitting the damn thing, couldn't redock and was asking for help.
Within five minutes ge posted again" never mind, someone blew it up [sad face ]".
Was this the guy who tried using a highsec gate? There was a TMC article about a guy who bought a Phoenix in lowsec to do highsec PVE. When he tried jumping the Phoenix into highsec, well...
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Paranoid Loyd
5746
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:23:53 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Anyone else remember that thread here about a year or two ogo where a cap pilot (I want to say Phoenix?) Undocked to have a look at his new ship without first fitting the damn thing, couldn't redock and was asking for help.
Within five minutes ge posted again" never mind, someone blew it up [sad face ]". Was this the guy who tried using a highsec gate? There was a TMC article about a guy who bought a Phoenix in lowsec to do highsec PVE. When he tried jumping the Phoenix into highsec, well...
That was pretty good stuff.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=299481
https://www.themittani.com/features/alod-you-cannot-jump-here
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10002
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:00:55 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Anyone else remember that thread here about a year or two ogo where a cap pilot (I want to say Phoenix?) Undocked to have a look at his new ship without first fitting the damn thing, couldn't redock and was asking for help.
Within five minutes ge posted again" never mind, someone blew it up [sad face ]". Was this the guy who tried using a highsec gate? There was a TMC article about a guy who bought a Phoenix in lowsec to do highsec PVE. When he tried jumping the Phoenix into highsec, well... That was pretty good stuff. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=299481
https://www.themittani.com/features/alod-you-cannot-jump-here
HA! yes that's the one!
i remember reading it as it was posted and thinking "best not post I know nothing about caps".
cheers ,bookmarking that one
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:13:09 -
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If you're talking all slots being empty, I don't know, maybe they just bought it.
If you're talking 1 slot empty, CCP balances ships based on "all skills at 5", and especially the power grid and CPU are limited on most ships. Create a newbie and try to fit a standard T1 cruiser with medium modules, and you'll see you won't have enough grid to fill all the slots, even if you go for the smallest medium guns (talking about a fit that's appropriate, rather than random).
Otherwise, filling up the slots may not make sense. Specific example: T1 industrial fitted for cheap, for carrying junk. I can put a cloak, tractor beam, mining laser, or gun in them high slots, but why add one or more 2-million-ISK module to a ship that otherwise costs about 800k (fitted with T1 cargo expanders and T1 cheapo shield extenders and hardeners)? Adding a non-covops cloak would just give the gankers better kill stats (same with tractor, laser, or gun - gun is useless if I'm warp-stabbed in all low slots). |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:59:31 -
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OP, maybe they can't find what they need in the system they're in, so they're traveling to another to fit up. just a thought.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:06:43 -
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Sometimes you have stuffed your ship full of over sized modules, already popped in a fitting rig and hardwire ... so you forget about the small neut that you could squeeze into the remaining high slot for less effectiveness of the main purpose of your ship.
... or you are a miner that goes, "Feck it, going to lose it anyway, so let me max the yield and forget about the rest. Lost ship is just part of business costs. *Shrug* "
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:24:41 -
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I call them GummyBears.
Used to get upset that people couldn't bother fitting (or reasonably fitting) their ships.
Now I build ships. Lots of ships.
Business is good.
All praise the GummyBears. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
2169
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Posted - 2015.06.11 00:43:12 -
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Often happens in factional warfare defensive plexing.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.06.11 00:50:41 -
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Depends on the ship. Often there is a high or two empty on a hauler or a drone ship.
Or maybe the pilot wants to minimise the financial consequences of a kllright being activated on them. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.06.11 03:35:54 -
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Real men hull tank. 
(Defensive PLEX-ing You have to love how these people make things up out of thin air.
WAIT, that's "emergent game play" and "content creation!")
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
226
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Posted - 2015.06.11 05:27:30 -
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Probably the answer is in your question.
Killboard... a lot... ships... flying... unfitted...
Probably those who already lost their ships to gankers or WT decided - Hell, i'm not gonna do it once again or at least would undock partial fitted.
like myself, lost +1.0b tengu to afk piloting    actually no, i was activelly piloting and then GF Viber me, so i have to text back and here we go https://zkillboard.com/kill/47049960/
btw i still have killrights on them if someone wish to have a quick iskies we can sort it out |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
166
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:09:35 -
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I'm sure there are lots of perfectly good reasons for it. Some were even outlined here already. But I have to say, I've had the same experience as the OP...I review some killboards and my jaw freaking drops at what I see.
About an hour ago I was perusing Marauder kills...saw a very shiny Paladin kill that had NO tank fitted at all.
Looking up transport ships, I've seen dozens of DST's fitted with no tank or anti-tank. Or dramatically undersized tank (you put WHAT sized shield extender on that?!).
You ever want a really good laugh, you should check out the killboards with transport ships. Anti-tank blockade runners getting ganked out of the gate in hub systems with lots of isky cargo, some DST's loaded up with so much shiny defense modules they become a tank magnet just for that, etc etc. Especially in the DST category I've seen a lot of kills where no tank is being fitted, most slots empty, on a ship carrying a lot of cargo through hostile space.
It's how I make my daily quota of facepalms. If I'm ever deficient, I just browse there until I find something that makes me cry out, "Oh good GOD no!", facepalm, then go about my day. There may be good reasons for some of those things, but it's still fun to look at.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
414
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Posted - 2015.06.11 12:47:20 -
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There are numerous reasons for fitting with one or two slots empty:
Ran out of fitting space: Once you've got your guns, tank, prop...etc fitted you may find you're up against the limit of PG or CPU - particularly if you're fitting a very pointed set-up you may lose more from sub'ing a low or rigslot out to a fitting mod than you would gain from fitting the extra slots.
No (limited, negligable) value in fitting: Fitting Blasters (and even rails) on a Falcon is questionable - what else do you want in those highslots?
Heatsinks: Empty slots sink heat from your other modules meaning they can be overheated for longer. If you're flying a stealth bomber (for example) and never leaving K-Space maybe the probe launcher isn't needed and you're better off spacing your launchers and leaving an empty slot.
Couldn't get what you need: If you're fitting a ship in a backwater perhaps you can't get that Gotan's Cap Recharger on the market... If you have huge stocks of certain modules you might choose to dip into them rather than buying yet another... |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
750
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Posted - 2015.06.11 14:33:32 -
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i sometimes fly my unfitted archon around to pick up stuff to fit it
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
282
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:28:35 -
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Here is my idea to fix this empty module slot problem: Fitted ship contract buy orders. If someone wants fitted ship and it needs certain qualities he makes buy order where he/she tells what kind of ship he/she needs. Then capsuleers have chance to drop fitted ships in this buy order visible and their price demand for ship and then capsuleer who made buy order decides what ship he/she wants to buy and pays price for it.
Comments are welcome for this idea!
Mikhem
Link library to EVE music songs.
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