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Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:35:00 - [1] Reading the whining threads, I thought that perhaps we should put all the "ZOMG! They need to nerf this, or I'll quit Eve!" threads in one place. If we're lucky, they'll make it a sticky... So, if you were the devs, what (if anything) would you nerf in the game? And how would you nerf it? I'm thinking I'd do something about warp bubbles (while fixing the logoff thing), perhaps a device that can be mounted on a ship to dissolve warp bubbles (something expensive, T2, and requiring skills).
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:38:00 - [2] I'd Nerf Tuxford, -50% to Nerfbat damage. (Empty Space - Thinking)
Ilya Murametz Caldari Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:39:00 - [3] Forums, and Forums ***s.... _____________________________________________ Originally by:** some nub ..aka recovering WoW person What lvl can I start PvP ?
Great Artista Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Twilight Moon I'd Nerf Tuxford, -50% to Nerfbat damage. Hahah, I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this thread... Nerf tux... ___________________________________ And I make lots of money, I make more money than you I drive around in my limo, that's what I was born to do And I might like you better if we ****** together.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:41:00 - [5] tuxfords ability to collect a paycheck from CCP Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:43:00 - [6] Badger badger song --- --- ---
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:44:00 - [7] I'd nerf the forum mods, feedback even badly writtin feedback is still feedback, yes a breakdown of what went wrong or why that player X feels like he's just been sharfted by an award winning leak by CCP is better then a large spam of caps in l33t speak. But tbh not all players are native English, or even able to write a constructive post. either that or just add a forum for Rants and Venting. The man without a face... The company without a clue.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Xendie tuxfords ability to collect a paycheck from CCP Thats a close second. ROFL. The man without a face... The company without a clue.
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:47:00 - [9] Caldari, obv. All missiles would do less damage the further away their target is, and if you have to warp out in a hurry, your launchers would be left behind and you have to go fit new ones. Also, shield tanks would have base 0% resist to everything. /flamebait
Axitikus Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:53:00 - [10] T2 ammo, and by nerf it, I'd say do away with it. tech 2 guns should be an upgrade, not a requirement, and t2 ammo makes it such. All the problems we have with EVE right now; ridiculous ranges, ultra short combat, etc, are caused by t2 ammo. Something is wrong when a t2 module is more coveted than an Officer or faction module. Doing away with t2 ammo would do alot more for this game then boosting armor by 50%.
Rask	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:53:00 - [11] nerf Winers - 88% wineing
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:55:00 - [12] In Soviet EVE, the nerf nerfs you!
Rowan Mayfair	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:59:00 - [13] I'd make warp scrams high slot mods.
kirjava	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:38:00 - [14] Nerf the deletion of criticism of decisions that are obviously not the fault of the player. Oh and Nerf the lag as much as Tuxford can possibly do...
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:01:00 - [15] Poor Tux... :( Met him at Fanfest, what a GREAT guy. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:03:00 - [16] Edited by: Patch86 on 21/11/2006 19:04:08 I'd nerf all the "I hate Tux" threads. Seriously, they're either boring or infuriating, neither of which achieves much............. EDIT: I'd also nerf this keyboard. Typing skills ftl \o/ -----------------------------------------------
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:20:00 - [17] I would nerf mining, as mining has only been boosted. Quote: I'd nerf all the "I hate Tux" threads. Oh and I would nerf you you n00b^^ -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:38:00 - [18] Ok what I want to know, we have had three fanfest now, WTF did not anyone of you people steal that frigging nerf bat!?!?!?!? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Kala Veijo Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:47:00 - [19] Id nerf some stabber because artista would get mad about it And remember artista, nerfing caldari doesnt work anymore. Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
FosterK Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:59:00 - [20] Amarr. ...What?! A carebear's ideal vision of EVE...
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:08:00 - [21] Logout tactics and nos.
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Paladineguru on 21/11/2006 20:15:07 missles, id put them on the same chance system as ecm, since it makes no sense that a laser (instantaneous transmission btw at light speed) can miss while some missle can ALWAYS HIT thts not right. missles should have either a chance to miss or be evaded at least as often as guns do. id also nerf only caldari and minmatar getting full acess to multiple dmg types as well as requireing projectiles AND missles to use MORE cap. hell any cap at all its not right that the only people with NO multiple dmg on guns also have to have capacitor. and after that i would nerf ac's range down below 5k after all with thier rof and multiple dmg types theyre more effective than blasters the supposed most effective close range wep:S and then id fire tux for taking bribes from the caldari corporations to make them the pwn race.
Sarpadeon Freedom Guard Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:19:00 - [23] honestly i would nerf tux, i was looking forward to having something other then ferox2.0 (aka gimp), a caldari gank n run closerange ship but noooo.... i find it ironic that the 2nd thing on my list was t2 ammo, as thats what made the drake a little to powerful (javelen HAMs are still overpowered) and the cause of the major imbalances in eve imo.
Stud Longcock	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Paladineguru missles, id put them on the same chance system as ecm, since it makes no sense that a laser (instantaneous transmission btw at light speed) can miss while some missle can ALWAYS HIT thts not right. missles should have either a chance to miss or be evaded at least as often as guns do. id also nerf only caldari and minmatar getting full acess to multiple dmg types as well as requireing projectiles AND missles to use MORE cap. hell any cap at all its not right that the only people with NO multiple dmg on guns also have to have capacitor. and after that i would nerf ac's range down below 5k after all with thier rof and multiple dmg types theyre more effective than blasters the supposed most effective close range wep:S and then id fire tux for taking bribes from the caldari corporations to make them the pwn race. I'd nerf this guy's lips off those Gallente nips.
Ingols	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:30:00 - [25] I would nerf low sec gate camps. Stations and gate guns would now have Warp Jamming and ECM.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Godar Marak I would nerf mining, as mining has only been boosted. Quote: I'd nerf all the "I hate Tux" threads. Oh and I would nerf you you n00b^^ What a very intelligent and well thought out response. I'm glad you contributed such a very meaningful and important jot of information to this thread.......... -----------------------------------------------
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:37:00 - [27] The map, I'd take away most general info you need not know about far away systems and make more corporate specific tools with restricted access. Something's rotten with the state of the servers.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:51:00 - [28] Alts. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Godar Marak I would nerf mining, as mining has only been boosted. Quote: I'd nerf all the "I hate Tux" threads. Oh and I would nerf you you n00b^^ What a very intelligent and well thought out response. I'm glad you contributed such a very meaningful and important jot of information to this thread.......... I aim to please. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
Burakus Panzershrek Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 20:58:00 - [30] I'd nerf gatecamping in lowsec, and nerf blaster falloff. And boost the lucrative-ness of lowsec- better rats and roids. ______________ I once one-volleyed a veldspar asteroid.
Quilan Ziller Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:42:00 - [31] Nothing. The game is quite balanced at the moment, I am against any nerfs, because usually these serve only to pacify the whiny majority that does not want to adapt their chosen playstyle... And I am tired of all the "nerf nos/missiles/drones/ECM/insert-another-module-here" threads. ______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2006.11.21 21:44:00 - [32] I'd nerf Warp to 0 and introduce some way of making a bookmark that you could warp to instead.
Quilan Ziller Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Fto Cruise I'd nerf Warp to 0 and introduce some way of making a bookmark that you could warp to instead. Like... Instas? The only thing that warp to 0 will do is make it harder to gank slowboating noobs in empire. In 0.0 most of gate camps target aligning ships anyway, and everyone has those full sets of instas. I, for one, would like to be rid of my own extensive collection - and the lag. But maybe it is just me. After all, I don't snipe at noob haulers. ______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:00:00 - [34] Alts. Logging out to save your ship/pod and log-in traps.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:08:00 - [35] Amarr. I'd actually eliminate them as a race entirely. Wait... no. That's not harsh enough. I think I would nerf their ships so that they could only equip mining lasers (In my experience, the average Amarr character is a pirate). At that point I would get in a Blasterthron and proceed to gank the ones that still played that were fleeing low-sec to join the carebears. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2006.11.22 10:45:00 - [36] Originally by: Quilan Ziller Originally by: Fto Cruise I'd nerf Warp to 0 and introduce some way of making a bookmark that you could warp to instead. Like... Instas? The only thing that warp to 0 will do is make it harder to gank slowboating noobs in empire. In 0.0 most of gate camps target aligning ships anyway, and everyone has those full sets of instas. I, for one, would like to be rid of my own extensive collection - and the lag. But maybe it is just me. After all, I don't snipe at noob haulers. Lost your sense of humour?
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:02:00 - [37] Nerf the caldary description on the character creation screen. All races are fighters, not just them. Plus their ships are ugly :P
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:05:00 - [38] Clones. You die. You're dead. Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:06:00 - [39] Logging in and out, NPC corps, and the caldari race description. Old blog
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:15:00 - [40] I'd nerf alts by reducing the amount of characters you can have on an account to One. I'd nerf level 4 missions by moving all level 4 agents to low security space and 0.0. I'd nerf Logging out by putting a 45 second countdown timer on the Eve client as a wait to log out. I'd nerf lowsec sniping by dropping the ranges of all ships, removing the range bonus that sensor boosters give you and give them a larger locking time bonus. I'd increase the locking and firing range of lowsec station and gate sentry guns to 300km, with a falloff of 200km, and buff their damage by 100%. I'd nerf the ability to hide in an NPC corp to avoid war declarations, after your initial three months in Eve, you'd have to start your own corp, or join player corp. I'd nerf logging in by removing the automatic warp back to your exit point when you get back in game. When you log out, you'd warp 50au away, and when you logged in you'd be sitting at the spot you landed at when you'd completed the 50 au warp. Probably a few other things too that I can't remember off hand.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Wild Rho on 22/11/2006 11:19:14 I'd nerf the local channel as it makes 0.0 space safer than low sec. Oh and I wish people would grow up and get off tux's back. He isn't the only one who is involved in making changes, he's just the only one we have direct contact with via the forums and he sure as hell doesn't deserve the crap some idiots here give him. I don't envy his job and I don't always agree with the changes that come in but at least I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 22/11/2006 11:19:14 I'd nerf the local channel as it makes 0.0 space safer than low sec. Oh and I wish people would grow up and get off tux's back. He isn't the only one who is involved in making changes, he's just the only one we have direct contact with via the forums and he sure as hell doesn't deserve the crap some idiots here give him. I don't envy his job and I don't always agree with the changes that come in but at least I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better. That too... And omg... that's a lolsig.
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:41:00 - [43] Edited by: infraX on 22/11/2006 11:41:47 I'd nerf nos by adding a stacking penalty so that addiing more and more nos gets diminishing returns. I's too uber in Kali and requires bugger all skills.
Nerdalus Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:46:00 - [44] I would nerf forum topics about nerfing
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:54:00 - [45] Nerf Captial ships so they can't cyno out if they are in a warp disruptor bubble or scrambled. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:55:00 - [46] i'd nerf everything that wasn't minmatar. oh and all the people that cry about tux being a bad boi. <3 Tux ---------------------------------
Shirakus Minmatar Nubs.	Posted - 2006.11.22 12:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Paladineguru missles should have either a chance to miss or be evaded at least as often as guns do. Missiles don't always miss, if you are actively defending yourself from them. Smartbombs and Defenders can stop incoming missiles. There's also the option of flying faster then the missiles so they can't catch you. It's up to you if you want to use the available options to defend against missiles or if you skip it, but don't whine and say they never miss.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 12:02:00 - [48] I'd nerf the "THERE MUST BE 4 RACIAL TYPES OF EVERYTHING" concept.
d'Mortaigne PAIN.	Posted - 2006.11.22 12:10:00 - [49] I would nerf Amarrships, lasers and cap. Clearly a very, very overpowered race. Oh perhaps nerf armortanking too while we are at it. --------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Lubomir Penev Gallente Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Verone I'd nerf logging in by removing the automatic warp back to your exit point when you get back in game. When you log out, you'd warp 50au away, and when you logged in you'd be sitting at the spot you landed at when you'd completed the 50 au warp. You just offered everyone super safespots, right now you need Astrometrics 5 ans some time to make them... Intended consequence?
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Verone I'd nerf alts by reducing the amount of characters you can have on an account to One. QFE Alts are an exploit...
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:34:00 - [52] Originally by: Verone I'd nerf alts by reducing the amount of characters you can have on an account to One. I'd nerf level 4 missions by moving all level 4 agents to low security space and 0.0. I'd nerf Logging out by putting a 45 second countdown timer on the Eve client as a wait to log out. I'd nerf lowsec sniping by dropping the ranges of all ships, removing the range bonus that sensor boosters give you and give them a larger locking time bonus. I'd increase the locking and firing range of lowsec station and gate sentry guns to 300km, with a falloff of 200km, and buff their damage by 100%. I'd nerf the ability to hide in an NPC corp to avoid war declarations, after your initial three months in Eve, you'd have to start your own corp, or join player corp. I'd nerf logging in by removing the automatic warp back to your exit point when you get back in game. When you log out, you'd warp 50au away, and when you logged in you'd be sitting at the spot you landed at when you'd completed the 50 au warp. Probably a few other things too that I can't remember off hand. No point in posting my nerf list when someone else has already covered it. SIGNED on all points. No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Wild Rho He isn't the only one who is involved in making changes, he's just the only one we have direct contact with via the forums and he sure as hell doesn't deserve the crap some idiots here give him. Hes an official spokesperson, hence he gets all the grief. If you had been clever I wouldnt have to explain this to you -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:00:00 - [54] i agree to the alts. nunber of possible alts: 0 and introducing discounted 2. acounts 1. acount full price , 2. 50% 3. and all following 25% therfor alowing ppl to play multiple aspects of the game without going bankrupt. alt spammage is getting rediculus. i personal play with my main and never used a alt. alt remove the " it has consequences if u do xxx" of the game.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Verone I'd nerf Logging out by putting a 45 second countdown timer on the Eve client as a wait to log out. That won't prevent a "CTRL-ALT-Delete, End EVE Process" attempt at shutting down EVE instantly. Nor an unplugged cable. The best you can do is keep the the ship in the game for 45 seconds even if the client disconnects. I can use Windows to kill the client any time I want. Here's a question, how many of these nerfs would you all still do if you were paid like a dev (based on how big your player base still is)?
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:59:00 - [56] I think I would nerf Gallente. The entire race. They have had it waaaayyy too good for too long. I would double the amount of capacitor blasters and rail guns required for all ammo types except iron. I would also add a penalty of 5000% percent signature size for the use of a mwd on their ships and have a - 50% speed penalty for afterburners on their ships. Then I would change the graphic for all of their ships to look like the Exequror regardless of what ship it actually was. They would all look like Exequrors. Exequrors for Gallente. Yes. That would do it.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:07:00 - [57] id nerf the hurricane again, and then tell em all its seleene`s fault ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
K1K1R1K1 Team Machine Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:15:00 - [58] I'd nerf.... YOUR MOM!!! BQWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!! Or not... anyways, I'd nerf balance. The races need to be different and overpowered in whatever aspect they are supposed to excell at. _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
Pressure Line Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:54:00 - [59] the Imicus (gallente tier 2 frigate) its clearly overpowered. I should never have been able to break an Omen tank with 46 (raw) dps :\|
Raneru Gallente Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:27:00 - [60] I'd remove ECM completely and give all current ships with ECM bonuses a mining laser range bonus. Then i'd change the T2 missile requirements so you need to learn other missile related skills to 5 like turret users do with gunnery skills.
GrumpyCat	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Nerf Captial ships so they can't cyno out if they are in a warp disruptor bubble or scrambled. As far as i know, you can't jump drive(cyno) if scrambled. Not sure about bubbles.
Raquel Smith Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:31:00 - [62] I'd forbid people from logging out and ban people whose connection was lost for any reason. Downtime? BANNED! LOGGING OUT = CHEATING. /too subtle?
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:27:00 - [63] move all level 4s except those with -15 - -20 rating to low sec/0.0
bunghole1	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:51:00 - [64] I'd nerf n00b corps and and Macros and Alts. I'd nerf everyone but rare and T2 BPO holders...oh wait nvm, they already do that every week. I'd nerf Seleene.
Cmnd Smurf	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:05:00 - [65] I agree with the nerfing of nerfing, the objective of nerfing is game balance, and I have 2 issues with that. 1) if something is over powered then every body will use it, game blanced. 2) New stuff should be better than old stuff, an M1A2 tank will cap a T62 before the T62 get a shot off unless the T62 is realy sneaky, lucky, or has a lot of mates. a modern cruiser could sink an ww2 battle ship before it even knew about the cruiser. So stop with the nerfing, and let the player balance it out by buying the good stuff and ditching the stuff that doesn't work or gets superseeded. null
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:57:00 - [66] Logging. Guess I hear that: 'He logged.' about 10 times a day. CTD/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.11.23 03:30:00 - [67] i woul dmake eve a little bit more like wow oO
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.23 20:43:00 - [68] Nerf nos.

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