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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Risien Drogonne
The dronebay increase to 125 cubic meters should be interesting. I'll make sure to test it lots. Thanks! 
That is interesting. I see a heavy / medium blend (with spare mediums) on the horizon- enough DPS to compete in PvP, but with spares to keep it in the fight (albeit at reduced efficiency) for a while longer.
Will be interesting to hear how testing works out.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:23:00 -
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Please bear in mind how ludicrous the idea of flying Heavies alone on this ship would be- they'd have popped before your enemy was even out of shields. Anyone who new about the game would know that 5 heavies on the Myr = no spares, and that amounts to instant death.
4 heavies and no spares was a ludicrous propostition, and 5 mediums is just a glorified Vexor. This way people can either max out their DPS, or choose a lower DPS set-up that actually works.
I think it could probably do with losing a turret, though.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Edited by: Asariasha on 21/11/2006 21:23:14
Well once more gallentean idiots made it. At first they
cry and whine until other ships get pwned by a nerfbat
followed by immediate additional whine that their ships
are the worst.
And what comes out!? Exactly what was pointed by Nicocat.
Gallente BC will own all other. It's really sad to see
that CCP is so easy to be influenced by forum trolling
and whining and seems not to be able to balance the BCs
in the way experienced players of different races supposed 
Galls havn't wined much at all. However the ombined 30 pages or so of Drake whining, plus the (much smaller) Hurricane whining has been monumental. With everything to from flame-baiting Devs to the more traditional "I quits".......
Myrmidon out-right sucked the way it was first on Sisi. It had the lowest DPS, no room for spare drones, and barely any turrets. It was then buffed with extra turrets- it brought it on par with the rest of the BCs (kinda- its debateable) but was in the complete wrong direction- why boost a Drone ship by giving it more turrets? Now its got the Drone boost it needed in the first place, but it could probably do with losing that turret boost. Its true that with 5 heavies and all neutron blasters it'll out damage other BCs- but that'd be a suicidal setup. On a realistic setup (either 5 mediums, or a medium / heavy mix) its DPS really isn't anything special.
Not having spare Drones is a bit like flying with only the ammo thats in your guns, and nothing in your cargo- sure you'll kick ass, but only for the first 25 seconds...........
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 21/11/2006 21:46:05
double post
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
That said, I wouldnt mind it losing a turret; it's a droneboat after all. Unlike the Caldari fanbois, mind you.
It's already got 2 fewer high slots for weapons than the other BCs do.
Yah, but its a drone boat
The beauty of drone boats is that it doesn't need a full spread of wtfpwn turrets. I've not crunched the numbers so don't know what its DPS is atm, but if it is overpowered (and its distictly poossible that it could be) then the turrets should get the nerf, not the drones.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:50:00 -
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Could be, could be. I'm not really in a postition to be talking about overall balance, so I'm not gonna try and argue it.
I'm sure someoen will crunch the numbers soon enough, though.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
Has anyone actualy weighted this up against an ishtar? Spare drone issue aside it seems we have a super ishtar at 15% of the cost 
That is, rather, the point. BCs are meant to be better than HACs- Brutix can kill an Ishtar, witha good wind behind it. Ever checked the base price of a HAC? Its 20 million- considerably cheaper than the Myrmidon.
It is in fact the whole point that before now it was far inferior to an Ishtar.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Only a fool would use this with exclusively heavy drones, and no replacements in the hold.
Aggreed. At this early stage, I'd guess my choice would be 2 heavies +3 mediums, +4 spare mediums. That gives me long-term cruiser DPS, with an initial short burst of BC sized damage. I mean, we're talking only about 350 DPS from those drones at their peak (I think); hardly uber, is it? How much DPS does the (new) Drake do these days, at optimal range?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:06:00 -
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I do wish people would stop saying "Mryrmidon with 5 Ogre II s and blasters out DPSs everything!". Its just not a set up that works.
Firstly, you'd have to be an absolute moron to fly the Myrmidon with a full flight of heavies and no spares. Ogres have a few thousand HP, cruiser sig and crappy resists. Most BCs do, what, 400 ish DPS? That means, per drone, it takes maybe 10 seconds to kill one. Now if you had to lose 20% of your DPS every 10 seconds, do you think you'd win? It'd be like fighting with no spare ammo- sure your DPS rocks, but it isn't going to last a whole fight. With the new 50% longer battles, you'll have no problem popping each one at a leisurely pace, while the Myrmidon hovers around ineffectualy.
If, however, you replace the absurd concept of 5 heavies and no spares with, lets say, 2 heavies and 8 mediums (3 + spares), you've got a whole different kettle of fish. Your DPS is now, magically, alot lower. I'd love to see someone bring up a graph to see how much lower- but its lower. However, like this, you have spare- people won't neccessarily insta-pop your drones, because they wont know what spares you're packing. And if they do, then you'll end up with a lower DPS over the medium term (about equivalent to a vexor) but atleast you'll still be doing *some* DPS.
So quit pretending that a 5 Ogre Myrm is a wtfpwn mobile.
And Blasters? You've gotta be kidding me.
Firstly, the ship has no turret bonuses, so the incentive to fit blasters isn't there. While most blaster boats are inflated by thhe 25% damage bonus, this thing isn't. The Myrm is slow- its very slow. The odds of it making an effective Thorax-style MWD machine really arn't high. Futhermore its got a bonus to active tank- if you're being forced to fit dual MARs to take advantage of this bonus, you're not going to have any Cap spare for cap-eating guns, let alone MWD cripplage.
I can't see any reason why people would fit anything other than Projectiles on the Myrm, along with a healthy selection of Nos and Neut.
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