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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
153
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:41:39 -
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So, I log back in after a week or so of training another character and I find an evemail telling corp members to hide in station or spend time away from EvE because of an active wardec.
I don't quite understand why someone would hide for over a week from another corp/alliance. I'm frustrated by this. I've expressed displeasure with the idea of hiding and it was met with a brick wall. I don't want to quit the corp because the guys are mostly cool but damn.
So, Bad Neighbors, I'll do my best to undock tonight when I get home from work for some gudfights even if no one else will.
...there's even a bulletin stating "DO NOT LOSE A SHIP".
Screw you, this is EvE. |
Paranoid Loyd
5772
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:43:37 -
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Mostly cool is not a good reason to stay in a corp with people who don't jive with your playstyle.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
154
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:47:45 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mostly cool is not a good reason to stay in a corp with people who don't jive with your playstyle. I vote for AWOX! 
Now there's a thought.
Guess I'll join belligerent undesirables tonight and get some pointers. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:48:54 -
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Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.
*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers. |
Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
154
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:51:22 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.
*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.
Yeah, but at least I'm doing SOMETHING. I'd rather lose a few ships defending the corp than hide out in WoW or whatever other candy land they are hiding in. |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
878
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:55:46 -
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I support this OP. Why play a PVP oriented game and not want to lose a ship. If you die mail me the kill mail. I will love you long time.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1299
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:18:25 -
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OP gets it.
Get out there and fight them. Fight them in Velators, but fight them.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
155
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:18:30 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:I support this OP. Why play a PVP oriented game and not want to lose a ship. If you die mail me the kill mail. I will love you long time.
Absolutely. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
743
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:20:21 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:So, I log back in after a week or so of training another character and I find an evemail telling corp members to hide in station or spend time away from EvE because of an active wardec. I don't quite understand why someone would hide for over a week from another corp/alliance. I'm frustrated by this. I've expressed displeasure with the idea of hiding and it was met with a brick wall. I don't want to quit the corp because the guys are mostly cool but damn. So, Bad Neighbors, I'll do my best to undock tonight when I get home from work for some gudfights even if no one else will. ...there's even a bulletin stating "DO NOT LOSE A SHIP". Screw you, this is EvE.
War dec aversion is pretty rampant - it has a lot to do with the risk aversion of the typical wardec victim, along with the generally one sided nature of most wardecs. It's laudable that you're willing to pick up the flag and defend it, but if you're the only one doing it, it may not be worth defending in the first place.
Honestly, if the corporation differs that much from your desired play style, it may be time for a change.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2528
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:04:33 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.
*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.
Undocking solo against a more experienced aggressor without having a good reason to expect to win is a dumb idea in any scenario.
Fun story. The proliferation of the highsec T3 fleet happened in response to a downturn in resistance offered by defenders that happened around the time that dec-shield was a thing.
Prior to that is was typical for people to fly the least threatening thing they could use while still being combat effective, because presenting a target that was minimally threatening encouraged defenders to actually mount a resistance. However the likelyhood of defenders mounting any kind of resistance whatsoever, regardless of the type of ship the aggressor is in became so low that it became more practical to just fly the thing most capable of catching and killing any given individual ship you could locate, hence T3s became the order of the day.
In an environment where I can keep 20 members of a 70 man alliance docked up in a station just by being in system with them, completely by myself without any possibility of them attempting to engage me regardless of what I am in, there's no reason for the rest of my corp members to not by flying around in T3s picking off their oblivious mission runners.
I'm looking at Vae. Victis. on that one, worst alliance ever. |
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
943
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:44:48 -
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So I decided to help a friend out this week with nothing better to do. The target corp were fielding fleets of 10+ pirate battleship heavy with a smattering of logi. To fight we brought 2 prots 2 guards a kronos and a full neut domi. They wouldn't leave the station. Quite literally out numbered 2-1 with a bhal on field the fight would have come down to my ability to counter neut a bhal vs their ability to call the correct target and focus fire. But fear of the imaginary t3 blob kept them from fighting. If roles were reversed I gaurentee the wardeccers would lose that. The issue is the risk adversity not the war itself. Honestly if more people fought back I wouldn't be able to fly nice things
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
943
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:46:34 -
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PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:47:15 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.
*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers. Undocking solo against a more experienced aggressor without having a good reason to expect to win is a dumb idea in any scenario. Fun story. The proliferation of the highsec T3 fleet happened in response to a downturn in resistance offered by defenders that happened around the time that dec-shield was a thing. Prior to that is was typical for people to fly the least threatening thing they could use while still being combat effective, because presenting a target that was minimally threatening encouraged defenders to actually mount a resistance. However the likelyhood of defenders mounting any kind of resistance whatsoever, regardless of the type of ship the aggressor is in became so low that it became more practical to just fly the thing most capable of catching and killing any given individual ship you could locate, hence T3s became the order of the day. In an environment where I can keep 20 members of a 70 man alliance docked up in a station just by being in system with them, completely by myself without any possibility of them attempting to engage me regardless of what I am in, there's no reason for the rest of my corp members to not by flying around in T3s picking off their oblivious mission runners. I'm looking at Vae. Victis. on that one, worst alliance ever.
Well in most of these cases the level of pvp knowledge and experience amongst the defenders is so low that a gang of properly fit and flown T1 cruisers will cut them to ribbons.
The tendency of highsec pvp'ers to undock overwhelming force in the form of faction/deadspace fit pirate or advanced cruisers just ensures that the people who do have the pvp chops to fight decline to do so because their chances are effectively zero.
The people that will give you good fights, are by and large not in highsec. I understand fully the appeal of making a profit through the wardec system but you can't be surprised when anyone with a brain does everything possible to avoid you, leaving you to slaughter the new and the perpetually foolish.
OP, there is no value in undocking ships to certain defeat. Unless you can find a way to turn the tables, I would not give them the satisfaction.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:49:55 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc
If it's a small time grief corp and a couple of people from this sub jump into the fight, that would qualify as a way to turn the tables and make things interesting.
I will have to look up the aggressor and see what he's dealing with.
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Leto Thule
Origin.
Black Legion.
2837
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:07:03 -
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OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.
Ships are ammo.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
943
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:20:46 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc If it's a small time grief corp and a couple of people from this sub jump into the fight, that would qualify as a way to turn the tables and make things interesting. I will have to look up the aggressor and see what he's dealing with.
I can take a half dozen reasonably skilled (sp's wise) pilots who can fly bc's or better and dunk the average marmite/fa/whoever happens to be gate camping gate camp. certainly not if they see it coming. but if you can hide your forces right up until you are ready to engage then you can dunk the mercs 3/4. mostly the sudden local spike will send them docking up except the poor sod/s who are pointed. It's well known amongst mercs that this is the case but the thing is so few people try it that it's a non issue.
as for bad neighbors I know a bunch of them. same applies to them you just gotta bait them right
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
943
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:21:35 -
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Leto Thule wrote:OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.
Ships are ammo.
I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands 
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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
159
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Posted - 2015.06.13 01:09:18 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Leto Thule wrote:OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.
Ships are ammo. I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands
I wish it were. I'm the only active player during the entire dec. They're all offline and will be.
I'll go corp shopping. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1928
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Posted - 2015.06.13 02:06:33 -
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Also, do some homework on the aggressors. Check out their killboards for ideas as to what they fly. EVE Who for their roster, watch list em if you can. Run locates on the online ones. Sharpen your machete, look for a weak spot, and put the tongs to them.
Be the scary thing under the bed, or at least have fun trying to be.
Just an idea.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
950
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:38:50 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Leto Thule wrote:OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.
Ships are ammo. I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands I wish it were. I'm the only active player during the entire dec. They're all offline and will be. I'll go corp shopping.
This makes me a sad panda. What are you intrested in in the game other then not backing down for no reason? 
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
950
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:40:13 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Also, do some homework on the aggressors. Check out their killboards for ideas as to what they fly. EVE Who for their roster, watch list em if you can. Run locates on the online ones. Sharpen your machete, look for a weak spot, and put the tongs to them.
Be the scary thing under the bed, or at least have fun trying to be.
If you can drop a few frozen corpses at your corpmates' feet when they come back then that would be sublime.
If it turns out they have numbers on you and a healthy board full of kills, make them chase you. It can be fun for the both of you.
I just don't like 'hiding' that much.
Just an idea.
For watch listing them may i suggest http://eve-tools.com/ using the in game browser. It has an auto add feature 
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
766
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:52:33 -
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My troll radar has gone bonkers. It has no idea what to make of this.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1933
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Posted - 2015.06.13 09:50:57 -
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Just gave OP a reread...
Bad Neighbors?
These guys?
http://evewho.com/corp/Bad+Neighbors
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98339943
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1109
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Posted - 2015.06.13 10:50:11 -
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Naw https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005362/
These guys.
It's a bunch of Ex-Marmite/Forsaken dudes.
Honestly I fought them before, They are alright PvPers but nothing impossible. I'm contracted against the, right now so OP if need some help give us a ring. Regardless have fun with the War. Go pew pew and what not.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
953
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Posted - 2015.06.13 10:52:06 -
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Half the guys are still in marmite on other toons 
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Valkin Mordirc
1109
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Posted - 2015.06.13 10:55:33 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Half the guys are still in marmite on other toons
Oh opps, Didn't you just offer to whack them? XD
Or did you pull out of Marmite completely now?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
953
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:04:09 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Half the guys are still in marmite on other toons Oh opps, Didn't you just offer to whack them? XD Or did you pull out of Marmite completely now?
Read my bio lol
And yah for the sake of teaching a half dozen people how to not be scared of wardecs ill go up agaisnt anybody for a couple of days :P. hell i think marmite assisted against my current corp... hmm. I normally avoid fighting them as a rule while im taking a break but for the sake of teaching ill forsake that rule. probably die for my efforts but thats ok as long as a bunch of others had some fun with me. I prefer targets that keep me on my toes to the ones that i can literally breeze through their home system with 12 in local and have no fear my lone t3 will encounter trouble
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:26:48 -
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Thanks. Flew around for a couple hours looking for WTs last night, found none. Found no corp members online anywhere either. I'm not trolling I'm just frustrated with not having found a good fit for my playstyle. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1309
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:26:11 -
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Well, OP, I'm sure a lot of the folks posting here would love to have you join their corp, because you get it.
If I wasn't hip deep in the World of Warships Closed Beta I'd hire you, but I am, so there it is.
If you can't find a corp you like, I recommend Brave Newbies (cuz they take anybody). They have a nullsec presence so you can go on down and find out what null-life is all about. They also shoot stuff and blow up a lot.
And if you absolutely have too......you can always join The Uni.
Just don't expect to pvp a lot with them. In their defense, you CAN learn a lot about most aspects of the game with them.
Red vs Blue is another bunch of cool guys to hook up with, and you will definitely learn some pvp skills, especially in the fine art of Frigate Fu.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:48:14 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Well, OP, I'm sure a lot of the folks posting here would love to have you join their corp, because you get it.
If I wasn't hip deep in the World of Warships Closed Beta I'd hire you, but I am, so there it is.
If you can't find a corp you like, I recommend Brave Newbies (cuz they take anybody). They have a nullsec presence so you can go on down and find out what null-life is all about. They also shoot stuff and blow up a lot.
And if you absolutely have too......you can always join The Uni.
Just don't expect to pvp a lot with them. In their defense, you CAN learn a lot about most aspects of the game with them.
Red vs Blue is another bunch of cool guys to hook up with, and you will definitely learn some pvp skills, especially in the fine art of Frigate Fu.
Thanks for that.
I was in E-Uni for a month. Learned the basics but you're right, not much PvP. Thanks for the tips on where to look. I was thinking Pandemic Horde or RvB.
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