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Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2061	Posted - 2015.06.25 16:44:48 - [151] - Quote dood. you got Kelled. Don't flip his switch or he wont stop til it's a threadnaught. Not agreeing or disagreeing with him. In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6325	Posted - 2015.06.25 16:56:54 - [152] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. Once again, it's target selection. Wardec a 100 man corp with 3 POSes, 10 POCOs and manufacturing & trading lines fully active. See if they roll. They won't because they are too heavily invested. Wardec a 2 man corp with no assets and expect them to easily evade you. Stop being terrible and pick your targets properly. You're literally crying that if you pick the smallest, least capable corps that they avoid you. Boo ******* hoo. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
pushdogg Tell Your Mum To Call Me Get Off My Lawn 18	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:04:26 - [153] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. Once again, it's target selection. Wardec a 100 man corp with 3 POSes, 10 POCOs and manufacturing & trading lines fully active. See if they roll. They won't because they are too heavily invested. Wardec a 2 man corp with no assets and expect them to easily evade you. Stop being terrible and pick your targets properly. You're literally crying that if you pick the smallest, least capable corps that they avoid you. Boo ******* hoo. then it wouldnt be easy....
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1121	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:04:32 - [154] - Quote Quendishir wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but forcing people into a war who dont want to be in a war also conflicts that core concept, just becuase wardeccers can do what they want why cant carebears, sorta thing, if someone chooses a playstyle they like then why should someone be allowed to come along and disturb that playstyle, that is simply not playing how you want but playing how someone else wants Welcome to EVE Online, where undocking is consent to PvP, whether you like it or not. It's been that way for ten Goddamn years, and if by now you haven't taken those two brain cells you still have left, rubbed them together and come to this conclusion then maybe, just maybe, the problem is you, and no one else. Stop trying to **** on my game that I came into knowing what it ****** was* becauise you are a self-entitled, risk-adverse ****. Go back to Rift. Isn't Rift the game where you can ride unicorns??? You have to admit that does sound pretty awesome!
Quendishir Your Loss Dead Terrorists 9	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:13:47 - [155] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Quendishir wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but forcing people into a war who dont want to be in a war also conflicts that core concept, just becuase wardeccers can do what they want why cant carebears, sorta thing, if someone chooses a playstyle they like then why should someone be allowed to come along and disturb that playstyle, that is simply not playing how you want but playing how someone else wants Welcome to EVE Online, where undocking is consent to PvP, whether you like it or not. It's been that way for ten Goddamn years, and if by now you haven't taken those two brain cells you still have left, rubbed them together and come to this conclusion then maybe, just maybe, the problem is you, and no one else. Stop trying to **** on my game that I came into knowing what it ****** was* becauise you are a self-entitled, risk-adverse **. Go back to Rift. Isn't Rift the game where you can ride unicorns??? You have to admit that does sound pretty awesome! Rift used to be awesome, before Daglar ** on the players and the architecture for the game's servers was found to be...old, to put it nicely.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1121	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:24:25 - [156] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: It's a pvp sandbox game. You need to understand that every month when your subscription gets extended. In this game you fight other players for your right to play in the sandbox. Thats the inner soul of the game. PvP doesn't have to involve shooting other people. Miners competing for ice are engaging in PvP. The "inner soul" is not "pew pew". This is where you "waah, EVE is PvP" people fall down, you don't understand what PvP is. The core of EVE is people playing how they want in a shared universe, not just firing guns at each other in an arena. Not to call your character a dolt, but you're playing the part of a dolt. I specifically said resubscribe every month and not the common 'undocking is consent to pvp' because what you say is true. The inner soul of playing an MMO is the whole hand holding stuff you espouse. The MMO known as eve is where folks go to do all that sharing and caring with friends while they step on the heads of others to achieve common goals. That could be blowing up a super, cornering the halo implant market or duping some incursion idiot out of a few billion in hard earned isk (hint: 2 of those don't involve undocking). CCP made the call publicly and loud and clear when the allowed GHSC to weasel stomp their marks and get away with it. They went so far as to capitalize on that being the soul of the game when they launched an add campaign based on that little jewel of an operation. Ninnies like you (yeah I just called you a ninny - deal with it) that can't accept the obvious can't be helped. Here's a RL parallel to your desire for a friendly eve. I desire vast riches and a life of ease where I can play eve all day an pwnt noobs 23/7. The difference between me and you is I have enough neurons to understand that what I desire and what is real are 2 different things. I'm also not self entitled enough to run around the real world telling everyone that they should give me the vast riches that I desire. I just go to work, spend time in my garden and raise my family as best I can. For those reading this thread, please understand that the Lucas Kell character is obviously being played as a lunatic that doesn't grasp reality.
Lan Wang V I R I I Triumvirate. 838	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:31:46 - [157] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but forcing people into a war who dont want to be in a war also conflicts that core concept, just becuase wardeccers can do what they want why cant carebears, sorta thing, if someone chooses a playstyle they like then why should someone be allowed to come along and disturb that playstyle, that is simply not playing how you want but playing how someone else wants It's a pvp sandbox game. You need to understand that every month when your subscription gets extended. In this game you fight other players for your right to play in the sandbox. Thats the inner soul of the game. Me, Leto, your grandma or anyone else cares all that much if you buy into it or not. Logging in is consent to be a part of a pvp sandbox game. That's it - the whole explanation. If you don't like it - there are literally 100s of non pvp sand box games out there - feel free to go enjoy them, BUT if you come into our pvp sandbox and demand it gets changed because you don't want to be in a pvp sanbox - we will take a dump on you. (and you have it coming to you). I'm not being a douche here. It is a pvp game. If that's not what you want to buy into and play, then pick another game. It's a total @55 move by you folks to subscribe and then try to radically change the game because you don't like pvp. Me, Leto and your grandma aren't the problem - you are. Who doesnt like pvp? I think you mistake me for some sort of carebear which im not, i just dont care if someone wants to run missions or wants to mine because thats how they want to play, i dont complain if i wardec someone then they drop corp because i go to where the pvp isnt restricted and fight people who fight back, but that doesnt change the fact that if someone can try and make someone pvp then the other party can counter that. Blueballing is pvp and thats exactly what dropping corp is. If you dont like that people can blueball you then pick your targets better EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1121	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:36:44 - [158] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: dood. you got Kelled. Don't flip his switch or he wont stop til it's a threadnaught. Not agreeing or disagreeing with him. In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. If you feel that paying a war dec fee is equivalent to paying for kills on your kb - just wow. The system is fair. You can drop a dec on anyone you like. The guys you put the dec on can do anything (inside the bounds of the EULA) they feel is appropriate as a response. Rolling their corp is a valid response. If you understood the war dec fee isn't equivalent to paying for kills, then you would be able to take a moral victory knowing that your war dec caused them to dissolve (even if only temporary). Your 'I'm paying for kills' outlook will only lead you to the already evident frustration and anger. Thats not an angle that will ever pay off in eve - you're trying to pay eve (a devastatingly beautiful chaos generator) for a predictable outcome. It's a silly gambit at best.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1121	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:43:03 - [159] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but forcing people into a war who dont want to be in a war also conflicts that core concept, just becuase wardeccers can do what they want why cant carebears, sorta thing, if someone chooses a playstyle they like then why should someone be allowed to come along and disturb that playstyle, that is simply not playing how you want but playing how someone else wants It's a pvp sandbox game. You need to understand that every month when your subscription gets extended. In this game you fight other players for your right to play in the sandbox. Thats the inner soul of the game. Me, Leto, your grandma or anyone else cares all that much if you buy into it or not. Logging in is consent to be a part of a pvp sandbox game. That's it - the whole explanation. If you don't like it - there are literally 100s of non pvp sand box games out there - feel free to go enjoy them, BUT if you come into our pvp sandbox and demand it gets changed because you don't want to be in a pvp sanbox - we will take a dump on you. (and you have it coming to you). I'm not being a douche here. It is a pvp game. If that's not what you want to buy into and play, then pick another game. It's a total @55 move by you folks to subscribe and then try to radically change the game because you don't like pvp. Me, Leto and your grandma aren't the problem - you are. Who doesnt like pvp? I think you mistake me for some sort of carebear which im not, i just dont care if someone wants to run missions or wants to mine because thats how they want to play, i dont complain if i wardec someone then they drop corp because i go to where the pvp isnt restricted and fight people who fight back, but that doesnt change the fact that if someone can try and make someone pvp then the other party can counter that. Blueballing is pvp and thats exactly what dropping corp is. If you dont like that people can blueball you then pick your targets better I like the blue ball mechanic. I also like that no one is immune to anything. I like the chaos. If you feel that some folks are entitled the ability to be free of the chaos then I feel that you are wrong. NO ONE gets a free pass for anything.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2061	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:49:35 - [160] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. Once again, it's target selection. Wardec a 100 man corp with 3 POSes, 10 POCOs and manufacturing & trading lines fully active. See if they roll. They won't because they are too heavily invested. Wardec a 2 man corp with no assets and expect them to easily evade you. Stop being terrible and pick your targets properly. You're literally crying that if you pick the smallest, least capable corps that they avoid you. Boo ******* hoo. I don't cry unless the hooker dies before I'm done. Even then, only sometimes. Just stating an opinion. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Lan Wang V I R I I Triumvirate. 838	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:09:42 - [161] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but forcing people into a war who dont want to be in a war also conflicts that core concept, just becuase wardeccers can do what they want why cant carebears, sorta thing, if someone chooses a playstyle they like then why should someone be allowed to come along and disturb that playstyle, that is simply not playing how you want but playing how someone else wants It's a pvp sandbox game. You need to understand that every month when your subscription gets extended. In this game you fight other players for your right to play in the sandbox. Thats the inner soul of the game. Me, Leto, your grandma or anyone else cares all that much if you buy into it or not. Logging in is consent to be a part of a pvp sandbox game. That's it - the whole explanation. If you don't like it - there are literally 100s of non pvp sand box games out there - feel free to go enjoy them, BUT if you come into our pvp sandbox and demand it gets changed because you don't want to be in a pvp sanbox - we will take a dump on you. (and you have it coming to you). I'm not being a douche here. It is a pvp game. If that's not what you want to buy into and play, then pick another game. It's a total @55 move by you folks to subscribe and then try to radically change the game because you don't like pvp. Me, Leto and your grandma aren't the problem - you are. Who doesnt like pvp? I think you mistake me for some sort of carebear which im not, i just dont care if someone wants to run missions or wants to mine because thats how they want to play, i dont complain if i wardec someone then they drop corp because i go to where the pvp isnt restricted and fight people who fight back, but that doesnt change the fact that if someone can try and make someone pvp then the other party can counter that. Blueballing is pvp and thats exactly what dropping corp is. If you dont like that people can blueball you then pick your targets better I like the blue ball mechanic. I also like that no one is immune to anything. I like the chaos. If you feel that some folks are entitled the ability to be free of the chaos then I feel that you are wrong. NO ONE gets a free pass for anything. nobody gets a free pass, they can be engaged anytime they undock, they just avoided the pay2kill mechanic EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6325	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:12:58 - [162] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: It's a pvp sandbox game. You need to understand that every month when your subscription gets extended. In this game you fight other players for your right to play in the sandbox. Thats the inner soul of the game. PvP doesn't have to involve shooting other people. Miners competing for ice are engaging in PvP. The "inner soul" is not "pew pew". This is where you "waah, EVE is PvP" people fall down, you don't understand what PvP is. The core of EVE is people playing how they want in a shared universe, not just firing guns at each other in an arena. Not to call your character a dolt, but you're playing the part of a dolt. I specifically said resubscribe every month and not the common 'undocking is consent to pvp' because what you say is true. The inner soul of playing an MMO is the whole hand holding stuff you espouse. The MMO known as eve is where folks go to do all that sharing and caring with friends while they step on the heads of others to achieve common goals. That could be blowing up a super, cornering the halo implant market or duping some incursion idiot out of a few billion in hard earned isk (hint: 2 of those don't involve undocking). CCP made the call publicly and loud and clear when the allowed GHSC to weasel stomp their marks and get away with it. They went so far as to capitalize on that being the soul of the game when they launched an add campaign based on that little jewel of an operation. Ninnies like you (yeah I just called you a ninny - deal with it) that can't accept the obvious can't be helped. Here's a RL parallel to your desire for a friendly eve. I desire vast riches and a life of ease where I can play eve all day an pwnt noobs 23/7. The difference between me and you is I have enough neurons to understand that what I desire and what is real are 2 different things. I'm also not self entitled enough to run around the real world telling everyone that they should give me the vast riches that I desire. I just go to work, spend time in my garden and raise my family as best I can. For those reading this thread, please understand that the Lucas Kell character is obviously being played as a lunatic that doesn't grasp reality. Barrage of personal attacks aside, get off your high horse. I don't want a "friendly eve" but at the same time I don't want an EVE where people like you demand that every single aspect of the game be dominated by players with the better laser skills. EVE is a lot more than just pew pew. And really, the difference between me and you is that I understand that EVE is a game, played for entertainment by a range of people with different desires, while you think anyone that isn't exactly like you should leave. Kids these days The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6326	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:15:51 - [163] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: In truth I agree with Vimsy. The problem with the whole corp rolling thing is that one party is paying for a service, yet the provider of said service is allowed to renege for a negligible price in comparison to that of the costs paid. Rolling the corp isn't the issue so much as the money spent being wasted. If either the dissolution of a corp resulted in a refund of the wardec fee or cost as much as the base fee for issuing a wardec there would be no issue. Once again, it's target selection. Wardec a 100 man corp with 3 POSes, 10 POCOs and manufacturing & trading lines fully active. See if they roll. They won't because they are too heavily invested. Wardec a 2 man corp with no assets and expect them to easily evade you. Stop being terrible and pick your targets properly. You're literally crying that if you pick the smallest, least capable corps that they avoid you. Boo ******* hoo. I don't cry unless I'm on a forum or watching a noob outsmart my wardecs. FTFY The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Paranoid Loyd 5992	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:26:15 - [164] - Quote Wow you guys really got Lucas's panties in a bundle, nicely done. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Mortlake Disciples of Bob 437	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:37:01 - [165] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: get off your high horse. Horse height envy confirmed.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6326	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:37:17 - [166] - Quote mmhmm, you'll find that difficult to do, but keep on believing. I tend not to get emotional over video games. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6326	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:39:03 - [167] - Quote Mortlake wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: get off your high horse. Horse height envy confirmed. Dat horse though... The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Paranoid Loyd 5992	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:39:29 - [168] - Quote I can tell by your poorly thought out replies. You are usually on point, I may not agree with you but your arguments are usually solid. Your last two replies show your frustration. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6326	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:42:13 - [169] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: I can tell by your poorly thought out replies. You are usually on point, I may not agree with you but your arguments are usually solid. Your last two replies show your frustration. My last two replies show boredom. One was to someone too busy scribbling down cleverly worded insults to make a point and the other one was to someone making a joke about dead hookers. Hardly going to have me reaching for the most eloquent responses. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Leto Thule Origin. Black Legion. 2916	Posted - 2015.06.25 22:08:12 - [170] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: I can tell by your poorly thought out replies. You are usually on point, I may not agree with you but your arguments are usually solid. Your last two replies show your frustration. Careful. You'll get some unknown alt all rowled up about how your not pro-ganker if you say Lucas knows how to communicate. Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.

Quendishir Your Loss Dead Terrorists 10	Posted - 2015.06.26 03:07:05 - [171] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Wow you guys really got Lucas's panties in a bundle, nicely done. Lucas's panties are ALWAYS in a bunch. It's like watching Holeysheet. You laugh at how stupid they act and try not to take them seriously. That's not to say Lucas doesn't make valid points at times, but they are generally few and far between.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6327	Posted - 2015.06.26 06:43:48 - [172] - Quote Quendishir wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Wow you guys really got Lucas's panties in a bundle, nicely done. Lucas's panties are ALWAYS in a bunch. It's like watching Holeysheet. You laugh at how stupid they act and try not to take them seriously. That's not to say Lucas doesn't make valid points at times, but they are generally few and far between. lol, who are you and what did I say to make you all mad? Understand that all the insults in the world are only going to end up getting you in trouble with the ISDs. Some random on the internet going "Grrr, Lucas is terrible" is never going to get to me. I'm an opinionated jerk in the Imperium. Let's just say I'm used to being barraged by insults from you kids when you're angry. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 2574	Posted - 2015.06.26 08:03:22 - [173] - Quote The closing and recreating corp is annoying, but not really our biggest problems. After about 13000+ wars I think we had it 4-5 times. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
Quendishir Your Loss Dead Terrorists 11	Posted - 2015.06.26 08:21:42 - [174] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Quendishir wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Wow you guys really got Lucas's panties in a bundle, nicely done. Lucas's panties are ALWAYS in a bunch. It's like watching Holeysheet. You laugh at how stupid they act and try not to take them seriously. That's not to say Lucas doesn't make valid points at times, but they are generally few and far between. lol, who are you and what did I say to make you all mad? Understand that all the insults in the world are only going to end up getting you in trouble with the ISDs, not make me all sad. Some random on the internet going "Grrr, Lucas is terrible" is never going to get to me. I'm an opinionated jerk in the Imperium. Let's just say I'm used to being barraged by insults from you kids when you're angry. It was not an insult, it was stating a fact. You, like Holeysheet, are renowned for your shiptoasting on the forums. Unlike Holey, however, I granted that you do make points at times, but otherwise you do nothing but talk about how high sec is bad, etc. It's pretty much an expectation when you post that you'll tell us how bad we are for being in high sec for any reason, and how real PvP happens in null, and how yadda yadda yadda. As for who I am...if you don't know who I am, that's your problem. I'm posting on an alt right now, but the alt is rather well-known. I've never hidden my affiliation with my main.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6328	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:40:32 - [175] - Quote Quendishir wrote: It was not an insult, it was stating a fact. Calling someone stupid is an insult. Are you not aware of this? Quendishir wrote: You, like Holeysheet, are renowned for your shiptoasting on the forums. I don;t really know holy, but I was under the impression he was fine until he made marmite mad, now he's automatically a shiptoaster? How fickle you guys are. Quendishir wrote: Unlike Holey, however, I granted that you do make points at times, but otherwise you do nothing but talk about how high sec is bad, etc. So if I understand this correctly, you are saying that if I make a point that something in highsec is bad, it can't be a good point? You've obviously not read my posts if you believe that's the main topic of my posts, but yes, in a post about highsec mechanics, expect me to be on one side or the other. In this one, the cries from you guys are effectively that when you wardec a 1 man corp using no space assets, you're upset that they easily evade you. That is your fault, not the fault of corp rolling mechanics. If you grew a pair and went after targets that can't reasonably corp roll, it wouldn't happen to you. Quendishir wrote: It's pretty much an expectation when you post that you'll tell us how bad we are for being in high sec for any reason, and how real PvP happens in null, and how yadda yadda yadda. Really? Please link me to all these posts when I talk about all the real PvP in null. I fully accept that what I do for PvP in null is take part in mass F1 pushing blobs which takes absolutely no skill. What I don't do is whine on when a rookie target evades us because we made a mistake. I fully accept that some real PvP happens in highsec, but the majority of it is people wardeccing industry groups and noobies because the mechanics favour picking soft targets. This is an undeniable fact. Wardeccers have nothing to gain by going after someone that can fight back. But suggesting that shooting those rookies is somehow superior is laughable. Quendishir wrote: As for who I am...if you don't know who I am, that's your problem. I'm posting on an alt right now, but the alt is rather well-known. I've never hidden my affiliation with my main. Quite honestly, I don't care. Whoever you are you're a nobody to me. Your opinion of me is worth less than nothing, and if you can't even enter a discussion like this without having to constantly troll and insult and avoid the actual point of the thread then I have no time for you. Not to be harsh, but that's the truth. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2639	Posted - 2015.06.26 13:17:29 - [176] - Quote Holysheet has never been a good poster, he's been a raging idiot the entire time I've been aware of his existence which is several years at this point. The funny thing is I actually sympathize with his gripes with marmite.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 2575	Posted - 2015.06.26 13:27:54 - [177] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I don;t really know holy, but I was under the impression he was fine until he made marmite mad, now he's automatically a shiptoaster? How fickle you guys are. It's not us. When Holey was in Marmites he was doing fine. Ok, sometimes a weird moment, but in most cases ok. Since I told him he couldnt sit on the undocks again, he rage quit, war decced us and he started to send us typical Holey rage mails. So please dont blame us for his failure. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6328	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:54:00 - [178] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: I don;t really know holy, but I was under the impression he was fine until he made marmite mad, now he's automatically a shiptoaster? How fickle you guys are. It's not us. When Holey was in Marmites he was doing fine. Ok, sometimes a weird moment, but in most cases ok. Since I told him he couldnt sit on the undocks again, he rage quit, war decced us and he started to send us typical Holey rage mails. So please dont blame us for his failure. Don't worry, I'm not. What happens between you guys is your business. I just found it funny that with some people the historic posting quality changes when their current opinion of that poster does. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 830	Posted - 2015.06.26 15:47:54 - [179] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: That what you are saying there is called scale. The more corp features you use the longer it takes to reform. The more members in the corp the longer it takes to reform. Like I said, the ease of corp rolling scales with the size and complexity of the corp. I'm talking about scaling risk with rewards that's all. There are certain rewards even a single player gets from using a starbase instead of a station. Does the risk scale properly to that gain? Is there a meaningful decision there? I don't think there is. It also promotes anti-social gameplay. If they can afford the overhead the individual members are better off creating their own personal corp instead. The opposite is more desirable and healthier for a social game. The one man starbase corp should be the one questioniong throwing up a research tower, not the twenty man one. Lucas Kell wrote: And most jobs complete in under a day do they? Obviously you've not ventured very far into industry mate. It's not very often I'm running a job under 5 days long. What are you manufacturing? A HAC or DST can be completed in 1 day 3 hours, T1 battleship in 2 hours. I've got 80 or so unique blueprints for modules/items and none of them take close to a day for a single run. I'm not sure if you develop capital components or Marauders or something but your average manufacturer can keep his jobs at a day. Lucas Kell wrote: If he takes specific precautions to avoid the risk, then yes, he minimises his risk. I haul though null and have zero risk of dying because of the precautions I take. In any activity in EVE if you take the right precautions you will bring your risk to a minimal level. If a 1 man corp chooses to avoid any jobs over 24 hours, avoid using corp trading, log in every day to make sure he's not decced and pack up if he is, then yes, he minimises his risk. What you are talking about is punishment, not risk. Risk can be mitigated, punishment can't. I'm not sure hauling through nullsec is the most direct or fair comparison but none the less I can secede that finding ways to mitigate risk is part of the game. Perhaps you are correct about the language I'm using then. The punishment is hardly severe enough is my point. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6328	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:11:14 - [180] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: I'm talking about scaling risk with rewards that's all. There are certain rewards even a single player gets from using a starbase instead of a station. Does the risk scale properly to that gain? Is there a meaningful decision there? I don't think there is. A single person with a pos has the same amount of risk as a 200 man corp with a pos, they just have less options to mitigate that risk. Your problem is that if they are able to mitigate that risk you think it's unfair. If they log on every day and run no jobs over 24 hours long and dismantle the pos if wardecced, they've simply mitigated the risk of holding that pos well. McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: It also promotes anti-social gameplay. If they can afford the overhead the individual members are better off creating their own personal corp instead. The opposite is more desirable and healthier for a social game. The one man starbase corp should be the one questioniong throwing up a research tower, not the twenty man one. See this is why I don't think you are talking about risk. You state here "overhead" as in the cost of operation you believe is too low. Overhead is not risk, it's cost. and both a one man starbase corp and a 20 man corp have to ask the same question: "Is the ownership of this pos and the efforts to mitigate the risk of it's loss worth the reward gained". Their size is irrelevant in that and a 20 man corp has all the same options to pull down the pos that a single person corp does, with the benefit of multiple people to help tear it down and monitor the status of wars. A one guy corp running a pos where he can't log in for a weekend could mean the loss of his pos, that's less likely to happen if there's 20 people available to deal with it. At that point both groups can corp roll if they feel that is a viable option. The difference is that a 20 man group tends to choose options which limit that ability, such as longer queues, more structures and complex roles. McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: What are you manufacturing? A HAC or DST can be completed in 1 day 3 hours, T1 battleship in 2 hours. I've got 80 or so unique blueprints for modules/items and none of them take close to a day for a single run. I'm not sure if you develop capital components or Marauders or something but your average manufacturer can keep his jobs at a day. What kind of peasants are producing 1 at a time? Unless I'm specifically limited by number of runs on a BPC, I'll be producing in bulk. McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: I'm not sure hauling through nullsec is the most direct or fair comparison but none the less I can secede that finding ways to mitigate risk is part of the game. Perhaps you are correct about the language I'm using then. The punishment is hardly severe enough is my point. Why should they be punished though, that's what I don't get. It sounds like you want portions of the game mechanically restricted from use by a single person. I just don't see why that should be the case. If one person wants to do something a group can do he should be able to try. if he wants a pos he can have one and if he can find a way to make that work, fair play. if he wants to try to take and hold sov and a station, again, fair play. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!



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