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Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:48:00 - [1] And lost Amarr Bship 5... for the 5th time... yey for 1 mill SP gone :?... one of these days ill make it to 30 mill... if i stop forgeting to update my clone.. Maybe put a warning message like every other thing in the game saying your about to undock without an uptodate clone.. are you sure?
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:01:00 - [2] having a brain..... priceless -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Gonada having a brain..... priceless
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:03:00 - [4] I see Celest are now using weapons that kill your skillpoints
Felysta Sandorn Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:04:00 - [5] Put a bil's worth of implants in your head, then your clone won't bother you so much next time you get podded! :D _________________________________________________________ http://www.murkeye.com/images/sigs/felysta2.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:09:24 Originally by: Gonada having a brain..... priceless While it is rather dumb to not update your clone when you know good and well thats how this game works, it doesnt make sense that this is even an issue at all. Just like learning books are a time sink, clones are an isk sink. Honestly, there is really no point to them. All they do is make you spend money in order to make sure you dont lose a crapload of training after youve been killed, i mean....wtf? How many other mmo's have you risk your long hard career for nothing??.......I mean granted its not that hard to update your clone, and neither is it expensive, its just totally pointless. There are stations out there where you can pod to and there is no medical station, which is honest bull**. I am not saying its likely for this to happen, but its possible to to undock right at the moment there is a suicide ganker outside station or something. I have no idea whether CCP would reimburse your sp if this happened, but if they didnt thats bull. I just dont like clones in general, all it does is make you waste isk, and worry. You could be **** out of 3 years of hard work because of one small accident where you forgot to update your clone, not to mention the 300 some dollars. Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Elphaba II	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:17:00 - [7] Err... every MMO I have played you loose EXP everytime you die. You can recoup that exp when you recover the body.. gotta love EQ.. How is this different, it's just reverse.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:22:16 Originally by: Elphaba II Err... every MMO I have played you loose EXP everytime you die. You can recoup that exp when you recover the body.. gotta love EQ.. How is this different, it's just reverse. No, if you play EQ for 3 years and you die, do you lose 3 years of work?...didnt think so..... Edit: I guess i should rephrase that then, since you dont technically in eve either, but there is the "possibility". That is the part that is retarded to me, the fact that the possibility is even there. Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
JForce The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:22:16 Originally by: Elphaba II Err... every MMO I have played you loose EXP everytime you die. You can recoup that exp when you recover the body.. gotta love EQ.. How is this different, it's just reverse. No, if you play EQ for 3 years and you die, do you lose 3 years of work?...didnt think so..... Edit: I guess i should rephrase that then, since you dont technically in eve either, but there is the "possibility". That is the part that is retarded to me, the fact that the possibility is even there. You are aware that you don't lose ALL the SPs? So if I have 30m SPs, and a clone that holds 25m SPs, and I get podded, I DO NOT lose 5m SPs. It's much less than that, it uses a formula to take SPs away from various high-ranked skills I think. Minmatar: Train two "primary" systems, taking twice the time, for 1/2 the benefit. It's a thing of beauty.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:30:00 - [10] I like clones. I like the fact that if you find yourself stranded in a non med-bay station without an up to date clone, you have to get out using cunning and guile. I like the fact its an isk sink (its something to keep vets spending, and isk sinks counteract inflation). I like that if you're foolish / unlucky enough to get caught without a clone, you lose SP. If I didn't like it, I'd consdider WoW or EQ as a viable alternative way to spend my free time.......... -----------------------------------------------
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:30:00 - [11] Originally by: JForce Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:22:16 Originally by: Elphaba II Err... every MMO I have played you loose EXP everytime you die. You can recoup that exp when you recover the body.. gotta love EQ.. How is this different, it's just reverse. No, if you play EQ for 3 years and you die, do you lose 3 years of work?...didnt think so..... Edit: I guess i should rephrase that then, since you dont technically in eve either, but there is the "possibility". That is the part that is retarded to me, the fact that the possibility is even there. You are aware that you don't lose ALL the SPs? So if I have 30m SPs, and a clone that holds 25m SPs, and I get podded, I DO NOT lose 5m SPs. It's much less than that, it uses a formula to take SPs away from various high-ranked skills I think. Well, that i did not know...... BUT, how much would you lose if you had a 30k clone, and 30 mil sp?? Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
JForce The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Areconus Originally by: JForce Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:22:16 Originally by: Elphaba II Err... every MMO I have played you loose EXP everytime you die. You can recoup that exp when you recover the body.. gotta love EQ.. How is this different, it's just reverse. No, if you play EQ for 3 years and you die, do you lose 3 years of work?...didnt think so..... Edit: I guess i should rephrase that then, since you dont technically in eve either, but there is the "possibility". That is the part that is retarded to me, the fact that the possibility is even there. You are aware that you don't lose ALL the SPs? So if I have 30m SPs, and a clone that holds 25m SPs, and I get podded, I DO NOT lose 5m SPs. It's much less than that, it uses a formula to take SPs away from various high-ranked skills I think. Well, that i did not know...... BUT, how much would you lose if you had a 30k clone, and 30 mil sp?? That is a good question. Again, you will NOT lose 29,970,000 SPs, but I imagine you'd lose more than if you had a 25m Clone. I'm sure someone will know the formula and how it works. Minmatar: Train two "primary" systems, taking twice the time, for 1/2 the benefit. It's a thing of beauty.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:45:00 - [13] want to test it for us? :) ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Nikla Uthaan want to test it for us? :) Sure, mind lending me 30 mil sp? Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 03:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 22/11/2006 03:55:16 Max is something like 75% of your greatest skill so probably would take racial BS 5 to about 25% and you lose 750k sp
handbanana	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 02:09:24 Originally by: Gonada having a brain..... priceless Just like learning books are a time sink, clones are an isk sink. Honestly, there is really no point to them. All they do is make you spend money in order to make sure you dont lose a crapload of training after youve been killed, i mean....wtf? How many other mmo's have you risk your long hard career for nothing??.......I mean granted its not that hard to update your clone, and neither is it expensive, its just totally pointless. A clone is probably not that expensive, it's the free POD you wake up in when you "reincarnate" that costs isk. Pods are made mostly of Noxcium. Call it insurance. When one is cloning, copies aren't always as sharp as originals, and anything you can pay to make up the difference is worth it.
Death'of'Macros	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Neveren And lost Amarr Bship 5... for the 5th time... yey for 1 mill SP gone :?... one of these days ill make it to 30 mill... if i stop forgeting to update my clone.. Maybe put a warning message like every other thing in the game saying your about to undock without an uptodate clone.. are you sure? I got podded, without an updated clone too... By FIX, those dirty bastards killed me. I'm just a poor lil' alt! Oh well, my owner says that the people at my next destination are nicer and since I only fly shuttles I don't care either way. More seriously, sorry to hear that... but you know you should have updated that ****e!
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:07:00 - [18] I like the clone system personally, simply because it adds depth. It also really does make things a little more dicey for vets, because no matter what you're flying, if someone nails the pod you're going to be spending up large for a new clone.
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:43:00 - [19] Welcome to Eve, enjoy your stay ----
MolRob Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Areconus BUT, how much would you lose if you had a 30k clone, and 30 mil sp?? I tried it once on the test server. I lost around 60% from the skill i had the most SP in. And it was BS lvl5, so ~1.2 M skillpoints lost without a clone.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:59:00 - [21] 5% of your sp. Taken from your 'best' skill. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.11.22 07:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Thor Xian 5% of your sp. Taken from your 'best' skill. I understood it to be 5% of the difference between your skillpoints and your clone's max skill points, taken from your largest skill. For example, I got podded recently, and for the first time in 3 years, had a clone which did not cover my skillpoints. I lost 14440 points from battleship 5 which took me something like 8 hours to retrain. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Zae'dra Xanthe Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:02:00 - [23] LOL! Could you imagine if you lost ALL of your skill points if you died without an updated clone? I guarantee there's be about 10000 pilots that would check their clones 25 times before undocking!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Thor Xian 5% of your sp. Taken from your 'best' skill. I understood it to be 5% of the difference between your skillpoints and your clone's max skill points, taken from your largest skill. For example, I got podded recently, and for the first time in 3 years, had a clone which did not cover my skillpoints. I lost 14440 points from battleship 5 which took me something like 8 hours to retrain. That is correct, I just neglected to mention that part lol. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Areconus I just dont like clones in general, all it does is make you waste isk, and worry. You could be **** out of 3 years of hard work because of one small accident where you forgot to update your clone, not to mention the 300 some dollars. No you can't. You only lose a %ge of the unprotected points. I've had it happen to one of my alts twice (because I have chosen not to waste ISK buying a clone for an Empire carebear alt) and in both cases I only lost about a week's training. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless**
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:20:00 - [26] ...But we didnt kill him :(
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Neveren Maybe put a warning message like every other thing in the game saying your about to undock without an uptodate clone.. are you sure? Its been suggested before, and I think it should be implemented. Its easy to forget to update clone if you take part in lots of pvp. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Zuki Ed Gallente Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:10:00 - [28] I got killed a few weeks ago and lost a few weeks on indy 5, I know that won't happen to me again . But the 5th time is pretty stupid tbh . Good luck recovering! I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! Max sig image file size is 24,000 bytes. --Jorauk
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:10:00 - [29] Wait... you've done this 5 times and you still haven't learnt? Can I have your stuff? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Darkrogue Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:37:00 - [30] I agree 5 times is kind of careless. But I do agree there should be a warning message before you undock. Losing a few weeks to a month of training is WAY to harsh without a warning message. Sometimes you just forget.
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:01:00 - [31] well for me i manage around 5 accounts, and when im autopiploting somewhere or clone jumping and leave them somewhere, its easy to forget to update the clone. yes 5th time.. Witha 30k clone.. so ive lost nearly 6 million SP since ive joined eve.. fun fun.. im just glad my Amarr titan is only at rank 3 right now.. If i lost time off that id cry.
PerrinAybarra Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:20:00 - [32] well seeing how you seem unable to figure it out your clone grade is on your character sheet when you open it. Since you say you use jump clones then it is pretty obvious at the top when you need to stop your skill training to jump. It takes 2 seconds to read the info.
Xtreme Wrath Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Neveren ...for the 5th time... Once - It happenes to everyone. Twice - Ok you just forgot because you wanted to get back to the fleet fight in a hurry. Thrice - You may have intellectual challenges. More than 3x - you sir, are a moron. Also to those whining about clones and cost and such... hey dont buy one... they are OBVIOULSY highly overrated eh? And anyone that has his clone at a station without Med facilities... well see above under "More than 3x" Chuck Norris uses a live rattlesnake for a condom.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Neveren And lost Amarr Bship 5... for the 5th time Ahahahahahahahaha. FIFTH? Ive lost mining barges 5 3 times now on my alt :) (that's mining barge V, 3 times, not Mining Barges 53 times lol). Not quite as bad, IIRC its only a rank 3, 4 or 5 skill but yeah, i know the pain :)
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Darkrogue I agree 5 times is kind of careless. But I do agree there should be a warning message before you undock. Losing a few weeks to a month of training is WAY to harsh without a warning message. Sometimes you just forget. you dont get a warning message when you leave your house in the morning, and the self-lock locks and you realise your keys are inside. I just check once a week that my SP arent going near to my level (I leave around 20% spare in case I end up somewhere for a while with no access to a medical bay). when I'm podded, the first thing I do is buy a new clone since my clone is always set to jump me back to a station with a medical facility :)
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:08:00 - [36] I'll have to point Blacklight at this thread... You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Ifni I'll have to point Blacklight at this thread... Dammit you beat me to it! Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Tadis Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Tadis on 22/11/2006 17:29:32 Im the in joke of the corp, having podded myself, or been podded 10 x times now without a clone. I wish dying in Eve was as painless as WoW ;p EDIT: As if to really take the ****.... I jsut lost Heavy drone Operation V since posting in this thread due to not having a clone. AGGHHH!!!! ___________________________________
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:12:00 - [39] Originally by: Tadis Edited by: Tadis on 22/11/2006 17:29:32 Im the in joke of the corp, having podded myself,
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:33:00 - [40] Yarr, i lost 15 days off Large Hyrbid 5 :( Lesson for the day: Getting podded shortly after you've outgrown your current clone - Not so bad. Getting podded after getting podded and not updating your clone - Horrible. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Biatchslap	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Neveren And lost Amarr Bship 5... for the 5th time... LMFAO 5th time Then u deserve to lose it seeing as you never learnt the first 4 times
Patric Murphy Heroes Of Blood	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Tadis Edited by: Tadis on 22/11/2006 17:29:32 Im the in joke of the corp, having podded myself, or been podded 10 x times now without a clone. I wish dying in Eve was as painless as WoW ;p EDIT: As if to really take the ****.... I jsut lost Heavy drone Operation V since posting in this thread due to not having a clone. AGGHHH!!!! LMAO. You,need some kind of award for that. best post ever. No, i cant spell, Yes, i have an education. Please try to keep your responses related to what I said, not the typo's.
Kerosene Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 08:00:00 - [43] There are really 2 mistakes here. The first is losing skillpoints 5 times. The second is letting the whole world know just how daft you are. Tip. Next time you do something insanely stupid, don't tell eve-o. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Halada Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:48:00 - [44] SO sorry for your lost Bobbit alt forum pwnage
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Halada SO sorry for your lost Oh come on, for the sheer comedy of it it was worth it. The op; I do apologise for laughing and feel for the lost time, but **** man, you funny. There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:07:00 - [46] Ive been playing for over 2 years... not that hard to make 5 mistakes over that time period =)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:53:00 - [47] I've been playing over 1 year, and not lost a single SP to date. So you're still pretty far behind -----------------------------------------------

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