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Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 35	Posted - 2015.06.13 15:17:13 - [1] - Quote In line with the introduction of Frigate sized Wormholes, there is a need for a frigate or destroyer sized vessel with a large cargo capacity. Such a vessel would see more transit via Frigate connections than what is currently just raiding gangs or explorers. What I propose is a vessel based on the Venture hull with a 4,000 - 5,000 cubic meter fleet hangar in line with the Venture's current Ore/Gas capacity, based on skills. A bonus for scanning would also be desirable. What I wouldn't propose is +2 warp strength or Covert Ops ability. This is intended as a low skill hauler capable of transiting frigate wormholes. Thoughts? Disciple of Bob
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 18	Posted - 2015.06.13 15:37:15 - [2] - Quote As long as it is not agile nor fast (subwarp), and the hauling capacity is not too close of a unbonused T1 hauler, fine by me. (Probably have it warp slower than T1 combat frigate also. Up to debate.) In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2015.06.13 17:06:20 - [3] - Quote Right, so...doesn't this obsolete most of the regular T1 haulers?
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1182	Posted - 2015.06.13 17:08:21 - [4] - Quote sounds more T2 like the DST's, perhaps a T! version of a hauler only frigate sized would do the job Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 235	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:39:25 - [5] - Quote I see how those got poped up all over a galaxy, more tears more dramma +1 but only because of that
DrysonBennington Aliastra Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:27:30 - [6] - Quote Any new ships are always welcome because they can be used in W-Space where life is a lot more strenuous. Not to mention the Entosis Link being able to control Jove systems, who knows what reverse engineering will the link to do, maybe opening up R-Space, or the space where Jump Freighters find their way into but never out of again due to misaligning beacons. Yes the governments of New Eden never tell you things like this because it is where they slink off and disappear into when the going gets tough or when they sell someone a bad case of Long Limb Roes.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 880	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:45:44 - [7] - Quote This sounds like a thread asking for a way to get towers into frigate holes. For the love of Bob, no. Talking more, Flying crazier, And drinking more Making battleships worth the warp
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:05:03 - [8] - Quote I thought probey frigs had a decent cargo hold. Stick some expanders on and rig it. Hey presto, frig hauler. Even comes with a t2 cloaky version. Just what are you trying to haul anyhow? Oh, I just read the thousands of m3 part. Hell no! More like 1000m3 tops. Thats skills, mods and rigs included! Edit, a heron can probably exceed 1000m3... EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 36	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:25:15 - [9] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: I thought probey frigs had a decent cargo hold. Stick some expanders on and rig it. Hey presto, frig hauler. Even comes with a t2 cloaky version. Just what are you trying to haul anyhow? Oh, I just read the thousands of m3 part. Hell no! More like 1000m3 tops. Thats skills, mods and rigs included! Edit, a heron can probably exceed 1000m3... Because when you kill a capital ship in nullsec and want to take your spoils home with you via your frigate wormhole connection, you can't. Or if you get a hauler spawn and have a butt load of minerals to haul back, you can't. And if it's a fleet hangar you can't launch a tower from it anyway, so there's that irrational fear dispelled. Considering a Prospect has a 10,000 cubic meter ore/gas capacity, I don't think a 4-5K fleet hangar is asking too much at all. Disciple of Bob
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:37:51 - [10] - Quote I know how you feel. I try to get my bowhead through frigate WH connections so I can get ships to my brosefs, but I cant. CCP, please fix this blatant oversight. /first world problems Thats too bad. Find another WH to mine out of or ditch what you cant carry. 4000m3 is a ridiculous amount. Comparing it to an ore bay is Apples and oranges. Ore is fat, therefore they need a large bay to be worth a damn. Luckily it only carries ore. You're asking for something completely different in a fleet hangar. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 37	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:46:09 - [11] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: You're asking for something completely different in a fleet hangar. Thanks Captain Obvious. Why do you think I posted it here? Disciple of Bob
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:57:17 - [12] - Quote If its so obvious to you that fleet hangars are different to ore bays why do you keep comparing them as though there is some standardised scaling between the two? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 38	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:00:49 - [13] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: If its so obvious to you that fleet hangars are different to ore bays why do you keep comparing them as though there is some standardised scaling between the two? I'm not comparing them. A Prospect has 10K, I'm calling for 4-5K. Now, I admit I'm not a mathematician, but those two numbers aren't similar, I'm fairly sure. Disciple of Bob
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:08:52 - [14] - Quote No you're definitely not a mathematician if you dont know what scaling is. Fact is, saying 'ore bays are such a size. Therefore a fleet hangar of this size is ok' is making comparisons between the two. I like the idea, but drop the fleet hangar. Its a specialist feature and lets face it, you only want it so you dont have to make a choice between capacity and mobility. Drop the capacity to around 1000m3, Its just a frig and you can make multiple trips and call friends to help you haul if its THAT important you go through a frigate-WH. And you can even keep the probey bonus. Oh look, a heron. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 38	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:20:38 - [15] - Quote This proposal isn't about the agility factor at all. It's about the mass. As far as scaling goes... do you even EVE? Since when did CCP give a damn about scaling? 5,000 cubic metres remains 5,000 cubic metres regardless of what you put in it. As this is merely a video game, things like scaling are, and have been demonstrably, fluid. And seriously, enough with the Heron. Yes, there are very poor alternatives, everyone knows that. Disciple of Bob
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:38:43 - [16] - Quote So If scaling between the two is meaningless (which is what ive been saying), why would the size of a prospects ore bay justify the size of a fleet hangar? Thats right its a game. So 10 000m3 of ore bay is not the same has 5000m3 of fleet hangar is not the same as 5000m3 of cargo capacity. Stop comparing them as though the existence of one justifies the other. If this isn't about mobilty, then why not just make it a normal cargo bay? Why does it have to be a fleet hangar? Especially for a low-álevel frig sized hauler. A heron isnt a poor alternative. It has everything you've asked for save for the fleet hangar you just said you didnt need and a huge capacity that comes too close to existing Indies for my liking. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 38	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:44:32 - [17] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: So If scaling between the two is meaningless (which is what ive been saying), why would the size of a prospects ore bay justify the size of a fleet hangar? Thats right its a game. So 10 000m3 of ore bay is not the same has 5000m3 of fleet hangar is not the same as 5000m3 of cargo capacity. Stop comparing them as though the existence of one justifies the other. If this isn't about mobilty, then why not just make it a normal cargo bay? Why does it have to be a fleet hangar? Especially for a low-álevel frig sized hauler. A heron isnt a poor alternative. It has everything you've asked for save for the fleet hangar you just said you didnt need and a huge capacity that comes too close to existing Indies for my liking. This ship's purpose justifies its cargo capacity. The Venture hull sets a precedent that small ships with large capacities [of any kind] are not out of line with game mechanics. I suggested a fleet hangar as POS towers cannot be launched from them, but I already covered that several posts back. The Heron is a ghetto hauler. Enough already. Disciple of Bob
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2436	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:51:29 - [18] - Quote Um. Scaling. You do realise that a single heavy missile is about the volume of a cigarette packet? That a mammoth is 1,500m long, several hundred metres abeam and likewise deep, and it can carry one olympic swimming pool's volume of cargo. Scaling schmaling. Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:04:15 - [19] - Quote As ive said, the precedent set by the venture is irrelevant because its a completely different, and heavily restricted, kind of bay. The ships purpose justifies a larger than normal bay. Which a heron has. If deploying a pos tower is a problem, then restrict the bay size. Heron again. Whats wrong with a ghetto hauler when you want something for low skill and low wallet? It does the job. Perhaps not as well as you want, but maybe you arent meant to haul so easily through frig WHs EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2437	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:09:54 - [20] - Quote Oh. i see. You're a harry potter fan using your magic spell reducto absurdum. Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 39	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:16:03 - [21] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: As ive said, the precedent set by the venture is irrelevant because its a completely different, and heavily restricted, kind of bay. Yeah, totally irrelevant. Because we're not talking about two different kinds of Industrial Frigates or anything... Look, if this was the 'Features & Ideas on how to use a Heron' thread then I'm right there with you, mate. But it's not. A Heron cannot do what I am proposing. So you know, let it go, man. Let it go. Disciple of Bob
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 780	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:22:44 - [22] - Quote Apex Bex wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: So If scaling between the two is meaningless (which is what ive been saying), why would the size of a prospects ore bay justify the size of a fleet hangar? Thats right its a game. So 10 000m3 of ore bay is not the same has 5000m3 of fleet hangar is not the same as 5000m3 of cargo capacity. Stop comparing them as though the existence of one justifies the other. If this isn't about mobilty, then why not just make it a normal cargo bay? Why does it have to be a fleet hangar? Especially for a low-álevel frig sized hauler. A heron isnt a poor alternative. It has everything you've asked for save for the fleet hangar you just said you didnt need and a huge capacity that comes too close to existing Indies for my liking. This ship's purpose justifies its cargo capacity. The Venture hull sets a precedent that small ships with large capacities [of any kind] are not out of line with game mechanics. I suggested a fleet hangar as POS towers cannot be launched from them, but I already covered that several posts back. The Heron is a ghetto hauler. Enough already. The Venture's cargo capacity is not out of line because it can only hold ore. It's designed as a quick and cheap miner in dangerous space. It's not a hauler and it's not good at hauling anything besides raw ore. A hauling frigate is not balanced with mining frigates. It's balanced with the rest of the hauling line up. The industrial class ships are bigger, bulkier and slower than frigates. The lowest base cargo among the T1s is 2,100 m3. A frigate hauler then should not exceed that cargo capacity no matter the fitting. The ship is smaller, quicker and faster. The trade off of that is less room for cargo. Here's the kicker. The Magnate with a full rack of cargohold expanders and rigs will reach 1,750 m3 in cargo space. There's your hauling frigate. A new ship would be either redundant or OP. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2517	Posted - 2015.06.14 06:06:06 - [23] - Quote Apex Bex wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: As ive said, the precedent set by the venture is irrelevant because its a completely different, and heavily restricted, kind of bay. Yeah, totally irrelevant. Because we're not talking about two different kinds of Industrial Frigates or anything... You're talking about a mining frig and a hauling frig as if they are the same thing, but they arent. They are two different roles. Thats why you want to give them two completely different bays in the first place. This is also why i dont compare the capacity of my bustard to my rettie, despite them both being medium industrial ships. You said yourself this is just a game, which is why the capacity of one, has no bearing on what the capacity of the other should be. It could have a maintenance bay of 20million m3 and carry battleships through frigate sized WH's if thats what we wanted it to have. If your only argument for having such a huge capacity is 'cause venture', then i dont buy it. A hauler frig should sacrifice more than that for aligning twice as fast and taking nearly five times as long to lock as the speedy T1 indies. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 235	Posted - 2015.06.14 06:06:15 - [24] - Quote McCCHM Very well said and good summary.
Specia1 K State War Academy Caldari State 88	Posted - 2015.06.14 10:01:12 - [25] - Quote Wow, someone just stole your idea and posted it. I didn't like that idea either... -1
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 39	Posted - 2015.06.14 12:37:18 - [26] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: If your only argument for having such a huge capacity is 'cause venture', then i dont buy it. A hauler frig should sacrifice more than that for aligning twice as fast and taking nearly twice as long to lock as the speedy T1 indies. I can't tell if you're being deliberately argumentative or just trolling. I'm not calling for a Venture with a cargo hold. I'm just saying base it off the hull as it's a frigate sized industrial. As far as it's aligning properties, warp speed etc, I seriously couldn't care less. It could align like an Aeon and warp like a Freighter and there'd still be a use for it because of low mass wormholes. Regarding T1 Industrials having a lower base cargo, that's true. They also have the ability via rigs and modules to greatly exceed 5,000 cubic metres too. Importantly, they still don't go through low mass wormholes. Disciple of Bob
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2519	Posted - 2015.06.14 16:29:37 - [27] - Quote Apex Bex wrote: I'm just saying base it off the hull as it's a frigate sized industrial. And im saying thats poor logic considering how differently the two ships will work. The existence of one does not justify the other, especially in a game. They are apples and oranges. The T1 probey frigs are fine examples of hauler frigs (I couldnt even imagine a magnante could carry so much), and even have the probe str bonus you wanted. Sometimes you just have to take multiple trips/bring friends/ditch what you cant carry/wait for a better hole. I once took 20 trips in a DST so we could get Rorqual parts into a WH. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Iain Cariaba 1526	Posted - 2015.06.14 16:39:46 - [28] - Quote Apex Bex wrote: because of low mass wormholes. Wait for a bigger wormhole. Oh, and welcome to the wonderful world of living full time where the Devs never intended people to live full time. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Will troll for a t-shirt.
Apex Bex Boundless Exploration 39	Posted - 2015.06.14 21:44:41 - [29] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: yada yada yada You're in no position to accuse me of poor logic when your objection was scaling. Disciple of Bob
Dustpuppy New Eden Ferengi 136	Posted - 2015.06.15 09:49:05 - [30] - Quote Apex Bex wrote: What I propose is a vessel based on the Venture hull with a 4,000 - 5,000 cubic meter fleet hangar in line with the Venture's current Ore/Gas capacity, based on skills. A bonus for scanning would also be desirable. Thoughts? As long as the cargo capacity is in line with the ship size then I am fine with it. But why don't you just ship the raw materials into the WH and just build the frigs where you need them?

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