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Dark Opaque Theme State War Academy Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.06.15 10:40:18 - [1] - Quote Please show some maturity by not starting a pointless platform war or reply with "lol, buy a pc". Any input from CCP on this? Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my AMD card are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? http://www.anandtech.com/show/9375/nvidia-acquires-game-porting-group-tech-from-transgaming Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my AMD card are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? (And yes I know I'm currently on my way out but was planning on coming back some day)
Hicksimus Xion Limited Resonance. 634	Posted - 2015.06.15 10:58:43 - [2] - Quote Dark Opaque Theme wrote: Please show some maturity by not starting a pointless platform war or reply with "lol, buy a pc". Please show some maturity and buy a PC if you want to game properly....clearly you have the money to do so and it would be ignorant to not understand that choosing a Mac is choosing a lesser gaming experience. Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Cynadore 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 22	Posted - 2015.06.15 11:46:58 - [3] - Quote Buys a non compatible computer with tiny market share. Complains about compatibility.
Mag's the united 19579	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:09:18 - [4] - Quote I thought most people that buy a mac, end up dual booting windows on it anyway? It is after all only a PC, that Apple laughingly charge the gullible more for. I do love to join in the laughter though, so thanks for that. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 883	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:14:36 - [5] - Quote lol, buy a pc Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 248	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:15:46 - [6] - Quote All my buddies use computers. Welcome to the 21st Century. I survived Win95
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11399	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:16:03 - [7] - Quote I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it!
Mag's the united 19580	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:18:10 - [8] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:27:14 - [9] - Quote Can't you use bootcamp to boot into Windows and play from there? I thought that was a thing most Mac users did nowadays. Next you will be complaining about the lack of Linux support.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 769	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:32:39 - [10] - Quote have been using macs for years and have switched to pc because they are just more flexible and reliable and cheaper, macs are mostly fashion statements these days "oh look you use a dell, well i have an applemac which is much better", no sorry they simply are not. get a pc for gaming... EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design

0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 17	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:40:27 - [11] - Quote If it helps even a bit, if your computer can-¦t run EvE, there is a pretty high chance it can-¦t run other (new space/mmo) games either, well at least well... Only option is to upgrade when it stops to work, unfortunately. Maybe you could get some money back in exchange for newer PC laptop/desktop (lot cheaper than new Mac-¦s).
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:42:46 - [12] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: have been using macs for years and have switched to pc because they are just more flexible and reliable and cheaper, macs are mostly fashion statements these days "oh look you use a dell, well i have an applemac which is much better", no sorry they simply are not. get a pc for gaming... I mean to be fair Macs are still a superior platform for many professional users. Just not at all for gaming.
Brapi Neville Observations Inc. 2	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:42:46 - [13] - Quote "Can make thousands per month on Mac, must pay hundreds for PC to play EVE" - Apple Mac graphic designer 2015
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 769	Posted - 2015.06.15 12:54:36 - [14] - Quote The Slayer wrote: Lan Wang wrote: have been using macs for years and have switched to pc because they are just more flexible and reliable and cheaper, macs are mostly fashion statements these days "oh look you use a dell, well i have an applemac which is much better", no sorry they simply are not. get a pc for gaming... I mean to be fair Macs are still a superior platform for many professional users. Just not at all for gaming. superior in which way? only difference between a pc and mac is operating systems and some software only available on each platform. dont get me wrong i think macs are good i just feel pc's are much more flexible and cheaper to maintain i see no real disadvantage switching to pc from mac, i switched because i wanted to game and a gaming machine was cheaper than a mac alternative EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2517	Posted - 2015.06.15 13:45:16 - [15] - Quote I guess I better set a REALLY long skill queue then.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2541	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:11:18 - [16] - Quote Breaking news: macs are bad for gaming.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1895	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:21:38 - [17] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Breaking news: macs are bad for gaming. More details at 11. Now back to your movie.
Juzuv Jebot Raven Sword PMC Ltd 0	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:30:21 - [18] - Quote Just FYI - Cider is just pretty wrapper for bog standard WINE. And WINE works perfectly fine with EVE client although with some performance drop. So maybe you could, I dunno, just install WINE from homebrew or Macports or whatever and use that along with the Windows client? Chances are it will actually work better than the official version since that is using ancient build of WINE.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5840	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:30:23 - [19] - Quote Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 247	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:33:07 - [20] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. The laserdisc version of "Wrath of Khan" has the most echos on Kirks scream of "Khan" out of any of the commercially released versions. True story.

Apoq Surrat Amarritus Patriotus 1	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:36:59 - [21] - Quote This is bs, mac users have no excuse to complain about EVE. If your unsatisfied with how it runs in OSX, use bootcamp and install windows, then run the standard EVE pc client. My Mac Pro runs Windows 8.1 Pro perfectly, and games just fine in windows when I'm not booted into OSX. The older tower version of the Mac Pro can have up to 12 cpu cores, 128gig ram, and any vid card you want up to and including a Titan X. So, if Mac OSX isnt fast enough in games for you, just install Windows using bootcamp and dual boot into it. Problem Solved. Apple MacPro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 32gig ecc ram, SSD, 4x HD, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition. Running OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1309	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:49:46 - [22] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. You so young. I still own vinyl LPs and cassette tapes. And I have working equipment for both. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2518	Posted - 2015.06.15 16:15:08 - [23] - Quote I feel like these 'Mac whine' threads are really more 'whine AT Mac' threads. Btw OP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=429550&find=unread
TheresCoffeeInThatNebula Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.06.15 16:33:21 - [24] - Quote I have a Mac. Macs suck at gaming, yes. But for productivity, nothing beats them. I have yet to see a version of windows that LOOKS LIKE NOONE PUKED ON IT. And that's why I use Macs. o7
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3448	Posted - 2015.06.15 17:13:53 - [25] - Quote Although its true that Macs have 10% of the market, it can be clearly seen, from most of the replies in this thread, that it is the top 10%. Also, my Mac uses an NVIDIA card. Also, there are many ways to get Eve on a Mac. If needed, CCP will swap to some other method. Also, there is nothing in that article to suggest that Cider will stop supporting all Macs. Why would they take a small market and make it smaller? Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 9133	Posted - 2015.06.15 17:23:55 - [26] - Quote I like platypuses. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 248	Posted - 2015.06.15 17:27:14 - [27] - Quote Tollen Gallen wrote: I like platypuses. Ure moms a platypussy
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11407	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:15:14 - [28] - Quote Soldarius wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. You so young. I still own vinyl LPs and cassette tapes. And I have working equipment for both. HAH, i'll see you vinyl LPs and cassette tapes (i still have some too, tried to be a DJ in college and ended up doing nothing more than scathing up all my dad's old records), and raise you THIS MARVEL OF TECHNOLOGY that I still have because I restored my parents '79 Cadillac and it has a player . I got Kool and the Gang's "Ladies night" album on one of the two 8 tracks that work, and the other has 1970s TV shows theme songs like Starsky and Hutch lol. All i need is an 8-track to Ipod adapter (probably be backpack sized) for when i go jogging
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1126	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:19:03 - [29] - Quote Use wine the Code ALWAYS wins
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 204	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:28:49 - [30] - Quote I too cant play EVE on abacus.

Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3448	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:34:14 - [31] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Use wine The Cider wrapper IS wine. Thats why CCP has other options. There are alot of versions of Wine out there. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1896	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:36:13 - [32] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Although its true that Macs have 10% of the market, it can be clearly seen, from most of the replies in this thread, that it is the top 10%. Also, my Mac uses an NVIDIA card. Also, there are many ways to get Eve on a Mac. If needed, CCP will swap to some other method. Also, there is nothing in that article to suggest that Cider will stop supporting all Macs. Why would they take a small market and make it smaller? How did you get to the idea they were the top 10% when they seem to have such a damn hard time using bootcamp?
Cynadore 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 24	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:40:35 - [33] - Quote TheresCoffeeInThatNebula wrote: I have a Mac. Macs suck at gaming, yes. But for productivity, nothing beats them. I have yet to see a version of windows that LOOKS LIKE NOONE PUKED ON IT. And that's why I use Macs. o7 Because productivity is all about looking like no one puked on you.
Dersen Lowery Defy. 1641	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:45:19 - [34] - Quote This thread wasted no time going to **. Frostys Virpio wrote:** How did you get to the idea they were the top 10% when they seem to have such a damn hard time using bootcamp? Where do people get the idea that using Bootcamp is automatically such a great solution? Paying for Windows and jumping through all of MS' hoops to make sure it's totally kosher with them so that you can reboot your machine every time you want to play a game--and hold down a key to select the operating system that you prefer to use--is, to borrow a British term, pants. If I wanted Windows I'd have a PC. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1126	Posted - 2015.06.15 18:58:15 - [35] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Use wine The Cider wrapper IS wine. Thats why CCP has other options. There are alot of versions of Wine out there. Cider is such an old fork it's silly to call them the same. There was once a Linux Client based on this transgaming crap and no one used it because even back then (~2007) wine produced the better results. So yes, there are some options for CCP, but to use a fork which is not contributing upstream and does not profit from the other companies working on the same code base is probably the worst of them. the Code ALWAYS wins
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1001	Posted - 2015.06.15 20:03:57 - [36] - Quote Soldarius wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. You so young. I still own vinyl LPs and cassette tapes. And I have working equipment for both. This. My Linn turntable is still doing its job. Though I'm old enough by now to not hear much of a difference anymore when comparing it to my old denon 2560 cd player . Remove insurance.
Lulu Lunette Custodes Olim United Systems of Aridia 32	Posted - 2015.06.15 20:31:42 - [37] - Quote The best part about Mac is being able to drag that Windows to trash when you're done with it Disclaimer: I play games on my PC.. so yeah. @lunettelulu7
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 252	Posted - 2015.06.15 20:43:59 - [38] - Quote Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy?
Milos T'averner Com-Mine Industries 3	Posted - 2015.06.15 20:54:37 - [39] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: This. My Linn turntable is still doing its job. Though I'm old enough by now to not hear much of a difference anymore when comparing it to my old denon 2560 cd player . Ooooh - nice. LP12 or Axis?
Paul AtreidesMuad Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 118	Posted - 2015.06.15 21:47:44 - [40] - Quote TheresCoffeeInThatNebula wrote: I have a Mac. Macs suck at gaming, yes. But for productivity, nothing beats them. I have yet to see a version of windows that LOOKS LIKE NOONE PUKED ON IT. And that's why I use Macs. o7 That's why I use arch and lol at everyone in this thread.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1791	Posted - 2015.06.15 21:56:27 - [41] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Use wine They're already wine-ing, don't encourage more of it. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 151	Posted - 2015.06.16 01:55:55 - [42] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: lol, buy a pc Macs are not ment for gamming. Never have been. Dont care what PR firms has to say. Macs are more on the design and productivity end. Wait till windows 10 comes out then there will be a big PC sale and you can get a PC like the rest of the world you hippy. +1 Agreed Death to the Macs You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 151	Posted - 2015.06.16 02:08:52 - [43] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? You know that the Game Developers will have to make their game compatible with windows 10 And I hope CCP does have a fix for Windows 10 when it comes out on the 29/07/2015 So to CCP hop to it and get the hamsters working on that code to fix it for Windows 10 You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Kira Jonsdottir Jameco Industries The Big Dirty 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:39:37 - [44] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? Upgrading to win 10 is purely optional, it is not an automatic update, and you have to opt in to get it and then it will download when it is released and you will get a notification that it is ready to install and you can do this at a time that is convenient for you. So if you are in any way concerned with win 10 then wait a couple of days and keep an eye on tech forums and watch for people having problems you are not prepared to deal with and if this is true wait a month or two after it is released so that they can fix it.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 387	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:00:47 - [45] - Quote I wouldn't have a Mac owner as a friend.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1137	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:18:09 - [46] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? http://store.steampowered.com/steamos Steam OS is simply an optimized Debian Linux for gaming with steam preinstalled. If you use your machine for work I would recomend Ubuntu or Debian. If you are not afraid of computers and want full controll over your stuff try Arch or Gentoo. You can play games on all of them, they all use the same software, just the tools to manage the system some pilosophies and and how it is built together is different. the Code ALWAYS wins
Sibyyl Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 25625	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:20:58 - [47] - Quote Quite so terrible it is skimming the forum when I am tired. I only picked up the first six words of the topic. Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 877	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:37:36 - [48] - Quote Dark Opaque Theme wrote: Please show some maturity by not starting a pointless platform war or reply with "lol, buy a pc". Any input from CCP on this? Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my *AMD card* are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? http://www.anandtech.com/show/9375/nvidia-acquires-game-porting-group-tech-from-transgaming Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my *AMD card* are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? (And yes I know I'm currently on my way out but was planning on coming back some day) I think I found your biggest problem. I bolded it, underlined it and italicized it.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 877	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:41:14 - [49] - Quote The Slayer wrote: Can't you use bootcamp to boot into Windows and play from there? I thought that was a thing most Mac users did nowadays. Next you will be complaining about the lack of Linux support. Where is my HP-UX support.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 877	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:50:09 - [50] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? Yep I have my windows restore flash drive ready. Getting windows 10 for free from MS and making a system image file back up daily. WIndows 10 goes **** up then I'll just roll back to windows 7.

Shuckstar Tax Haters Evaders Corp 298	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:54:50 - [51] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: I wouldn't have a Mac owner as a friend. lol CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)"
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 877	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:56:22 - [52] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: I wouldn't have a Mac owner as a friend. Jumps in the way back machine. Back in the early to mid 80's as a C64 lover back then I wouldn't have had a PC owner as a friend.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6306	Posted - 2015.06.16 07:12:20 - [53] - Quote Soldarius wrote: You so young. I still own vinyl LPs and cassette tapes. And I have working equipment for both. I love my vinyl. Never not vinyl. TheresCoffeeInThatNebula wrote: I have a Mac. Macs suck at gaming, yes. But for productivity, nothing beats them. I have yet to see a version of windows that LOOKS LIKE NOONE PUKED ON IT. And that's why I use Macs. o7 You understand that windows isn't the only PC OS, right? And that a mac is just a PC with a heavily marked up prices and a skinned version of unix on it, right? Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? Every time microsoft release a new version of windows there's cries of how terribly evil it's going to be, and every time it's just an OS. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 1178	Posted - 2015.06.16 10:02:37 - [54] - Quote I got a PC and a Mac, Windows is trash compared to OSX... everybody telling you the opposite simply can not afford a mac or never used one... it's good only 10% have it, not everybody is driving a Jaguar either it depends what customers you want as a company, without question you would prefer mac users... YouTube
Pew Terror Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2015.06.16 10:42:46 - [55] - Quote You think you have it bad.... Try playing EvE on my Atari...
blue coeur Anomalous Existence Low-Class 25	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:05:50 - [56] - Quote Up till recently I only owned Mac's because I'm a professional but still enjoyed playing EVE to escape this crazy world. At some point you just get used to the constant crashes, locks, and random quirkiness. Not too mention it was basically a requirement to run EVE on the lowest settings to have the best reliability with Cider. Worst experience ever! But then I built a Hackintosh and now have the luxury of booting into Windows when I want to play EVE. The argument to "just buy a PC" is invalid when a game markets itself as being compatible with "OSX and Windows". Why should mac owners be punished for trying to play a game that markets itself as being compatible? It's like if EVE only ran well the latest version of Windows but you prefer to run Windows 7. "Just upgrade Windows" they would say but out of principle you would say "No, it should work with Windows 7 because they say it does".
Luna Arindale Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance 87	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:22:53 - [57] - Quote I have no idea what this is even about. As someone who plays eve on an iMac, and has had no issues running it... I don't get what is even happening in this thread.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25341	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:17:44 - [58] - Quote Luna Arindale wrote: I have no idea what this is even about. As someone who plays eve on an iMac, and has had no issues running it... I don't get what is even happening in this thread. Although it has flip-flopped a lot over time, Apple has had a tendency to prefer AMD GPUs to nVidia ones. Now nVidia as acquired the company that produces the wrapper software that CCP uses to distribute EVE on OSX. The OP is afraid that this will mean that the wrapper's support for advanced graphics features will start to suffer, at least as long as you run on AMD hardware. The rest is just teenagers (or adults re-enacting their teenage years) ignorantly engaging in console wars. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
ashley Eoner 478	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:37:24 - [59] - Quote Tippia wrote: The rest is just teenagers (or adults re-enacting their teenage years) ignorantly engaging in console wars. It's even less then that as both platforms use the exact same hardware. It's an OS war at this point. The RISC architecture is a superior design but that was the only part that was superior about macs. The OS was a modified version of BSD and the rest of the components used have always been cheap. A simple solution is to use bootcamp and just boot into windows when you want to play eve or any other game.
Hippinse University of Caille Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:00:59 - [60] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: The Slayer wrote: Can't you use bootcamp to boot into Windows and play from there? I thought that was a thing most Mac users did nowadays. Next you will be complaining about the lack of Linux support. Where is my HP-UX support. Oh, SURE, give support to the fat-cats of the printer ink cartel whilst ignoring those of us in the freedom-loving, security-minded OpenBSD crowd (well, it's not really big enough to be a crowd). I'm certain you corporate lackeys won't support my chosen OS (should I ever get it to recognize my DVD drive and/or NIC so that I can finally successfully install, that is).

Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 568	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:35:07 - [61] - Quote Kira Jonsdottir wrote: Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Well, we'll see how many dedicated Windows/ PC lovers start to change their tune when Win10 starts deleting game files because they didnt work well with an update. Win10 is designed to kill the PC, not improve it. anyone got a link for Linux handy? Upgrading to win 10 is purely optional, it is not an automatic update, and you have to opt in to get it and then it will download when it is released and you will get a notification that it is ready to install and you can do this at a time that is convenient for you. So if you are in any way concerned with win 10 then wait a couple of days and keep an eye on tech forums and watch for people having problems you are not prepared to deal with and if this is true wait a month or two after it is released so that they can fix it. Don't forget also that a patent was filed a few years back which allowed programs to design in a kind of "file decay" ergo files have a life span and will NEED to be replaced renewed or repurchased because the file literally corrupted itself "due to age". Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Raiz Nhell Drunk Axolotl 414	Posted - 2015.06.17 04:40:46 - [62] - Quote I've never had a problem playing Eve on my MacPro while procrastinating about doing photo editing... That being said, when its a weekend I have a Windows partition that allows me to indulge in the insomnia that is Eve (and gaming in general)... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 777	Posted - 2015.06.17 08:46:16 - [63] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: I got a PC and a Mac, Windows is trash compared to OSX... everybody telling you the opposite simply can not afford a mac or never used one... it's good only 10% have it, not everybody is driving a Jaguar either it depends what customers you want as a company, without question you would prefer mac users... yeah i cant afford to spend 2.5k on a mac when i can get a better system for half that price ;) EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
ashley Eoner 478	Posted - 2015.06.17 10:33:45 - [64] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Harry Forever wrote: I got a PC and a Mac, Windows is trash compared to OSX... everybody telling you the opposite simply can not afford a mac or never used one... it's good only 10% have it, not everybody is driving a Jaguar either it depends what customers you want as a company, without question you would prefer mac users... yeah i cant afford to spend 2.5k on a mac when i can get a better system for half that price ;) It's funny he should mention a jaguar as for some time they were merely a rebadged Ford sold for more then it's worth. It's very much like what you get with a mac. You get low quality PC components at a premium price because of the OS that comes with it. Although some of Apple's high end monitors are nice.
Anthar Thebess 1084	Posted - 2015.06.17 10:45:14 - [65] - Quote Goodbye. Ps. Buy normal PC, and not overpriced sh$!@ that you actually not own ( read the license). Yes windows is sh$!@ , but we have Linux! Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Marech Bhayanaka The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.06.18 00:56:20 - [66] - Quote Cynadore wrote: Because productivity is all about looking like no one puked on you. You are confusing fashion for producttivity. It's okay. I know Mac people struggle with that. Marech.
Velarra 401	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:23:14 - [67] - Quote Dear OP, Just get an Amiga, a 68060 & PPC accelerator card, something like a cybervision 64, install unix + wine and then run Eve under wine. Or there's always bootcamp. https://www.apple.com/ca/support/bootcamp/
Hiply Rustic Aliastra Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:49:27 - [68] - Quote Your Mac is a PC. Bootcamp. *Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."* *EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.*
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25345	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:07:33 - [69] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: It's very much like what you get with a mac. You get low quality PC components at a premium price because of the OS and the pretty wrapper. Although some of Apple's high end monitors are nice. The really fun part is that it's not really a premium price, and that the components have a tendency to last hell of lot longer than what you should expect from almost any other brand PC. If all you wanted was the OS, you could get almost anything, and the GÇ£wrapperGÇ¥ serves a very handy purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Digits Kho Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:16:04 - [70] - Quote Dark Opaque Theme wrote: Please show some maturity by not starting a pointless platform war or reply with "lol, buy a pc". Any input from CCP on this? Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my AMD card are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? http://www.anandtech.com/show/9375/nvidia-acquires-game-porting-group-tech-from-transgaming Even if Cider keeps working for the coming month's, me and my AMD card are going to be even more punished now like the 2 year medium shader clamp? (And yes I know I'm currently on my way out but was planning on coming back some day) You may go ahead and transfer your stuff to me to care of while you are gone

Kinete Jenius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.06.18 22:22:47 - [71] - Quote Tippia wrote: The really fun part is that it's not really a premium price, and that the components have a tendency to last hell of lot longer than what you should expect from almost any other brand PC. If all you wanted was the OS, you could get almost anything, and the GÇ£wrapperGÇ¥ serves a very handy purpose. That's some seriously faint praise as dell, gateway, alienware, HP are all crap too. You pull a mac apart and you see cheap crap components. Even the high end mac pros use cheap components (especially in the PSU). I can't tell you the number of capacitors I've had to replace because Apple insists on using **** Taiwanese caps. Falcon northwest and a few other computer boutiques producers build far better quality machines then apple for roughly the same price. Even alienware was good at one point. That is before Dell bought alienware and changed the components to the same as what you get in a regular dell laptop or desktop. The only machine I've bought prebuilt was a dell inspiron 15r SE (7520) that I ended up getting shipped to my front door almost 3 years ago for $500. I did spend some time trying to find the path that gave me the cheapest price then I slammed all kinds of discounts on it. Still going strong and still gaming strong (BF4/tera/city skylines/beam ng drive/etc). Then again I have a HP laptop with a single core turion in it that I used before that AND gamed with (till CCP changed to shader 3.0). That laptop is still going strong 12 years later. I'm trying to figure out a use for the hardware right now. See I don't have issues with machines dying I have issues with machines becoming so horribly outdated that I can't even find a use for them. So I'm not impressed when you try to claim that macs "last a hell of a lot longer". Currently at work we have a mixed environment of about (I don't have the inventory sheets at home) 250 PCs from dell and HP. We have about 30 all in one macs and out of those macs 5 of them are down (we're thinking due to a design flaw). We're waiting on apple to come and fix those under warranty. Most of the dell and HP desktops are old enough to be well out of warranty so we just cannibalize the parts when one does finally kick it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25345	Posted - 2015.06.18 23:03:41 - [72] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: That's some seriously faint praise as dell, gateway, alienware, HP are all crap too. You pull a mac apart and you see cheap crap components. Even the high end mac pros use cheap components (especially in the PSU). I can't tell you the number of capacitors I've had to replace because Apple insists on using ** Taiwanese caps. That's nice dear. So do everyone else. Meanwhile, the only Mac that's broken for me in the last 10 years is one that developed a sudden and fatal allergy to concrete, whereas the only way I've been able to keep my standard PCs from not succumbing to creeping death is to pay through the nose for quality components that end up costing me more than the corresponding Mac would. Admittedly not with cooling, though, since GÇ£enthusiast coolingGÇ¥ solutions are pointless rip-offs GÇö as you point out, maintenance and the tiniest bit of placement planning is what matters there. Quote: See I don't have issues with machines dying I have issues with machines becoming so horribly outdated that I can't even find a use for them. So I'm not impressed when you try to claim that macs "last a hell of a lot longer". So your PCs work as well as my Macs do, then. Good for you. Well, except that it's not that hard to find a use for them GÇö there's always something more you could use a dedicated server for. Quote:** I still believe that in the end the owner and environment have a massive impact on the lifespawn of an electronic device. You can design the best cooling system ever but if the owner doesn't clean it out occasionally it'll eventually overheat. GÇªand that is why trying to attack the platform for what users do is such a silly and ignorant thing to do. If you think Mac users are the only ones who ask silly questions based on PR, you have worked with far too few computer users. BrrrGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Kinete Jenius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.06.18 23:23:56 - [73] - Quote Tippia wrote: That's nice dear. So do everyone else. Meanwhile, the only Mac that's broken for me in the last 10 years is one that developed a sudden and fatal allergy to concrete, whereas the only way I've been able to keep my standard PCs from not succumbing to creeping death is to pay through the nose for quality components that end up costing me more than the corresponding Mac would. Admittedly not with cooling, though, since GÇ£enthusiast coolingGÇ¥ solutions are pointless rip-offs GÇö as you point out, maintenance and the tiniest bit of placement planning is what matters there. Yes most computers do have to various degrees an allergy to sudden concrete.I agree that you're awful at building computers so I strongly advise you buy your PCs from a quality botique or someone like me that knows how to build machines properly. I run overclocks so I tend to run aftermarket fans. My current preference is the CM hyper 212+ evo which can be bought for 25 bucks. It's cheap and it's good insurance for the future. I used to spend a little time to lap the older hyper 212s but the new ones are smooth out of the box. The 5 macs I mentioned earlier are imacs and have the same display problem. We reset the PRAM/VRAM ,SMC and all that so we're thinking it's a hardware flaw as has happened in the past with Macs we've had. The one thing that frustrates me the most with apple is their refusal to admit a design flaw or exploit till years after the fact. You know once those machines effected are out of warranty... Quote: So your PCs work as well as my Macs do, then. Good for you. Well, except that it's not that hard to find a use for them GÇö there's always something more you could use a dedicated server for. Maybe you can help me then. I have my old systems gathering dust due to a lack of use. One is a p3-500 based system and the other is an athlon xp +2400 based machine. Any suggestions for them? I found a use for my old dual core in the bedroom for video and audio. I like to fall to sleep to the sound of rain and that machines works perfectly in concert with my old surround system to provide a virtual rainstorm on notice :) Quote: GÇªand that is why trying to attack the platform for what users do is such a silly and ignorant thing to do. If you think Mac users are the only ones who ask silly questions based on PR, you have worked with far too few computer users. BrrrGÇª I'm not attacking the platform I'm attacking the awful component quality and to a lesser extent the build quality you get for the price. Since the discussion was about macs I shared some mac related experiences. Make a thread about how awful Dells are and I might share some of the shining examples of interactions with Dell owners. I ran a hackintosh for years but it basically ended up being purely a "look at what I can do" thing as I could do everything in windows or linux. At one point for giggles I modified an XP install to look like OSx. Booting into that install always got me some funny reactions.
Battledonkey Dogeman Evocati Aeterna Nerfed Alliance Go Away 8	Posted - 2015.06.18 23:42:09 - [74] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: I got a PC and a Mac, Windows is trash compared to OSX... everybody telling you the opposite simply can not afford a mac or never used one... it's good only 10% have it, not everybody is driving a Jaguar either it depends what customers you want as a company, without question you would prefer mac users... I smell a troll....
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 799	Posted - 2015.06.18 23:59:28 - [75] - Quote Brace yourselves gentlemen. It's taken 4 pages but the platform war is finally heating up. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
ashley Eoner 479	Posted - 2015.06.19 00:36:50 - [76] - Quote Tippia wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: It's very much like what you get with a mac. You get low quality PC components at a premium price because of the OS and the pretty wrapper. Although some of Apple's high end monitors are nice. The really fun part is that it's not really a premium price, and that the components have a tendency to last hell of lot longer than what you should expect from almost any other brand PC. If all you wanted was the OS, you could get almost anything, and the GÇ£wrapperGÇ¥ serves a very handy purpose. The macbooks have some really nice cases and the components aren't too bad. The screens can be really nice. I do like the cases that the mac pros come in. They have that "i can beat an intruder to death and still use it to email my lawyer" feel to it. Lasting time is statistically difficult to ascertain through our small sample sizes but if you're comparing them to even crappier OEM (dell/hp/gateway) makers then yeah.
pushdogg Tell Your Mum To Call Me Get Off My Lawn 16	Posted - 2015.06.19 02:24:36 - [77] - Quote get a pc.....hipster.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25345	Posted - 2015.06.19 05:22:36 - [78] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: I agree No, you don't. Just say that instead of pulling out asinine strawmen. Quote: The 5 macs I mentioned earlier are imacs and have the same display problem. We reset the PRAM/VRAM ,SMC and all that so we're thinking it's a hardware flaw as has happened in the past with Macs we've had. The one thing that frustrates me the most with apple is their refusal to admit a design flaw or exploit till years after the fact. They've been pretty forthcoming in letting people replace entire machines when things like displays or the (in)famous Air hinges. If it's a 1st-gen product, they're practically begging for samples to bring home and check up on, and display issues have continuously been something they react quickly on due to their screechy noises their core clientele makes when they act up. Quote: Maybe you can help me then. I have my old systems gathering dust due to a lack of use. One is a p3-500 based system and the other is an athlon xp +2400 based machine. Any suggestions for them? Webdav and/or SMB servers for various home-synching needs GÇö it's the basic fallback for anything. It's more dependent on what the motherboards let you fil the poor things with, really. Quote: I'm not attacking the platform I'm attacking the awful component quality and to a lesser extent the build quality you get for the price. I know you're not, but English has thins problem where GÇ£youGÇ¥ is both the 2nd person singular and plural and a neutral pronoun. Others were, and I was using your (2nd p.sing.) experience as an example why you (neutr.) should not do that. GÇ£OneGÇ¥ is such an ugly and clumsy replacement. pushdogg wrote: get a pc.....hipster. He already has one, you knowGÇª or have you really been taken in by the Apple PR so completely? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Kinete Jenius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.06.19 05:49:19 - [79] - Quote Tippia wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: I agree No, you don't. Just say that instead of pulling out asinine strawmen. You're the one that said you can't build a PC that lasts without overspending. I have no issue building better quality PCs for cheaper than Apple. Spend 30 seconds googling "mac design flaw" and you'll find pages of flaws and exploits that Apple has denied for years. It shouldn't be a surprise that Apple refuses to acknowledge expoits in OSx and other software. Apple has made it a point to build this aura of invulnerability to exploits and acknowledging them like Microsoft does would undermine that talking point. So instead Apple pretends this stuff doesn't exist and generally only fixes the big ones that get the attention of the press. Quote: Webdav and/or SMB servers for various home-synching needs GÇö it's the basic fallback for anything. It's more dependent on what the motherboards let you fil the poor things with, really. I already have those covered. I also already have a hardware based firewall for my home network. I'm on the verge of tossing the components due to being unable to find a use for them in the last couple years. My old electronics pile is getting too big and I need more room for fun projects :P
pushdogg Tell Your Mum To Call Me Get Off My Lawn 16	Posted - 2015.06.19 21:12:36 - [80] - Quote Tippia wrote: pushdogg wrote: get a pc.....hipster. He already has one, you knowGÇª or have you really been taken in by the Apple PR so completely? i didnt. your cheeky comment after that makes little sense to me.....maybe if i owned a mac....

BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 448	Posted - 2015.06.20 02:03:09 - [81] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: I got a PC and a Mac, Windows is trash compared to OSX... everybody telling you the opposite simply can not afford a mac or never used one... it's good only 10% have it, not everybody is driving a Jaguar either it depends what customers you want as a company, without question you would prefer mac users... Sorry, I don't want gay hippies as my customers, who spend their days sketching flowers and running 2 or 3 old outdated apps because no one will write anything new for an overpriced proprietary piece of junk...just like your Jaguar that always had overheating engines that kept catching fire. I saw 3 burning at the side of the road in 6 months...those lucky owners...
Hadrian Blackstone Yamato Holdings 113	Posted - 2015.06.23 17:01:19 - [82] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: I wouldn't have a Mac owner as a friend. Guess we gotta stop being friends. Oh wait, you're my alt.
Nevil Oscillator 207	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:58:54 - [83] - Quote The Slayer wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Mag's wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: I feel for you MAC guys, I've been in the same boat. I'm still smarting over the fact that I bought all those BetaMax tapes and got tired of all the "get VHS" hippes that didn't know good quality when they saw it! We bought the Phillips system, I think it was called Video 2000. Two sided tapes and they released one that could record 8 hours just in time for the Royal wedding. I think that's why we bought it. I have silly parents. I STILL have laserdiscs sitting in my bedroom. Ooooo man. The laserdisc version of "Wrath of Khan" has the most echos on Kirks scream of "Khan" out of any of the commercially released versions. True story. Proving that Eve players really should take 5 mins to tidy up once in a while


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