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![Lilani Kuzma Lilani Kuzma](https://images.evetech.net/characters/405992129/portrait?size=64)
Lilani Kuzma
Gallente Brass Monkeys Society The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:36:00 -
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THis is not an atempt to get the price lower!!!.... Ok i enter the test server and started checking.. and yes i did noticed the ishtar wich i can get to 10 k armor with superb tanking... but we not talking about that :/ THe deimos is of no more use in kali.. u can not get it with more armor than let`s say 3.4 k and even that with big sacrifice`s!!! U STIll can not fit decent guns and hell don`t even talk about mwd! So basicly even the other hac`s are roughly gonna fit a nice plate and reach nice big armor`s like over 6 k... and deimos is stuckk WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS ... without enough tanking!!! THis is a frendly .. sugestion to all who may want to know a drawback to the ship!!! GET RID OF the deimos!!! fast!!! buhuuu
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![Lucifer Fellblade Lucifer Fellblade](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179563559/portrait?size=64)
Lucifer Fellblade
Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:38:00 -
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Old news? ------
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![Gariuys Gariuys](https://images.evetech.net/characters/590585372/portrait?size=64)
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:39:00 -
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Anyone that at this point still cares and flies them... already knows this quite well.
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![Verus Potestas Verus Potestas](https://images.evetech.net/characters/120496041/portrait?size=64)
Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:42:00 -
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Did you get podded and lose grammar skill?
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
![Talasan Talasan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1122688319/portrait?size=64)
Talasan
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lilani Kuzma and deimos is stuckk WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS ...u
i stopped reading here
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) "minmatar got the shaft again? sure ill bend over right away" |
![Gariuys Gariuys](https://images.evetech.net/characters/590585372/portrait?size=64)
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Talasan
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma and deimos is stuckk WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS ...u
i stopped reading here
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Compaired to all it doesn't have!! Not that it doesn't have high dps, cause it does, it's just unusable dps!
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![Lilani Kuzma Lilani Kuzma](https://images.evetech.net/characters/405992129/portrait?size=64)
Lilani Kuzma
Gallente Brass Monkeys Society The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:53:00 -
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well it`s prety late sory for the misspeling. i kept quiet untill neaw cose i still had 5 to sell :/ Sold my last one in jita today... and people where making fun of me.. when sayng it will suck 10 time`s more in KALI.... old new. new news... there where a lot of pilot`s sayng WHY does it sucks... well it sucks... cose u can`t do anything with it.... Ishtar here i come.... cheerz... who wwant`s to talk about my gramar and stuff like that instead of looking at the big picture welll keep it up i don`t realy care...! FRENDly warning to everyone!! cheerz :)
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![Lilani Kuzma Lilani Kuzma](https://images.evetech.net/characters/405992129/portrait?size=64)
Lilani Kuzma
Gallente Brass Monkeys Society The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Talasan
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma and deimos is stuckk WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS ...u
i stopped reading here
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
it`s without enough dps.. cose if u want to survive u have to tank and use an ab or mwd... and by the time u got all in .. the dps is only ACCEPTABLE... i done turrific thing`s with the deimos .... against formidable odds.. unfortunately it will not be of any use in kali!!! very very bad after the kali patch!!!
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![Vladimir Norkoff Vladimir Norkoff](https://images.evetech.net/characters/812049218/portrait?size=64)
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:58:00 -
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Well it could be worse, it could be an Eagle....
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![Father Weebles Father Weebles](https://images.evetech.net/characters/711649546/portrait?size=64)
Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Old news?
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control." |
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![lofty29 lofty29](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1398502067/portrait?size=64)
lofty29
Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lilani Kuzma it`s without enough dps.. cose if u want to survive u have to tank and use an ab or mwd... and by the time u got all in .. the dps is only ACCEPTABLE... i done turrific thing`s with the deimos .... against formidable odds.. unfortunately it will not be of any use in kali!!! very very bad after the kali patch!!!
Again, I will repeat myself. THE DEIMOS IS NOT A SOLOPWNMOBILE It only excells as part of a small gang. A pair of diemos's, if fit correctly, can pretty much take on nearly everything. 2v2 versus any other HACs (Cept maybe vagas which orbit at 15km and nos-ishtars) the diemos's will come out ontop. Its all a matter of how you fit it. Trying to fit an MWD, a web and a scram is a bad idea. Its like fitting a megaT without a CAP INJECTOR
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Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
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![LWMaverick LWMaverick](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1550403182/portrait?size=64)
LWMaverick
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma stuff
THE DEIMOS IS NOT A SOLOPWNMOBILE
Your right... it really isnt
It's rather far, far, FAR, from anywhere near being a "solopwnmobile".
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![Reto Reto](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1049960927/portrait?size=64)
Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.11.23 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Old news?
ur sig rawks !
Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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![Chronus26 Chronus26](https://images.evetech.net/characters/274718044/portrait?size=64)
Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lilani Kuzma U STIll can not fit decent guns
Decent guns? what you expecting to fit? capital ions? With propper fitting skills it can fit T2 ion blasters, that not decent enough? I've heard in Rev. that you can fit a full rack of Neutrons, and the bare minimum of a tank with 1 fitting mod. Need to try it myself, but what guns do you suggest fitting that are more 'decent'? ----- Move along, nothing to see here... |
![Hoshi Hoshi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/830238945/portrait?size=64)
Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 02:57:00 -
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Don't fly Deimos myself but looking at the stats I would say that what it needs is not so much easier fitting as less mass and more speed.
It got the slowest base speed of all hacs and is the second slowest with an mwd. Only the Eagle is slower, even a Cerb outruns it. Not very good stats for a short range boat.
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![keepiru keepiru](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1176064546/portrait?size=64)
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.23 03:03:00 -
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Yes, it still sucks, we know. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
![Malthros Zenobia Malthros Zenobia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/867540149/portrait?size=64)
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.23 03:48:00 -
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It's becoming clear that the diemost has a core of pilots who will not be happy until it can fit a rank of t2 neutrons and a full tank with mwd.
'course, it's not that hot right now on sisi, but maybe, just maybe, we will one day see T2 ships be viewed as only somewhat better than their t1 counterparts and not some sort of 'omfg i can solo anything' ships?
Atleast you've got two nice BCs.![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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![keepiru keepiru](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1176064546/portrait?size=64)
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.23 04:43:00 -
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Nobody is asking for full neutrons, but it would be nice to fit ions and a med nos and mwd + single mar II with no plate when you have AWU 5.
This is not possible on SISI, on TQ its even worse.
In effect, there is no truly viable ion setup. Let alone neutron setup.
Considering the ship is incredibly slow and about as agile as my brutix, its hardly surprising people rightly consider it to be ****... It is. I wouldn't fly one in pvp if they paid me tbfh.
The reason why the thron and astarte are so succesful as blasterships is because they have the option of fittng neutrons + light tank, ions + avg tank tank, or electrons + heavy tank.
Deimos has electrons + average tank or ions + "lol? tank?" instead. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
![Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Zyrtan Keb'Lektar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1933876000/portrait?size=64)
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.11.23 05:29:00 -
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For soloing the Kali ishtar is still better... fitting it with 1600mm and small repper + explo/eanm/dc or dual small repper/1600mm/explo/eanm, paired with a explo resist rig + drone dmg or ECM power rig.
I've been able to kill absolution, sac, harbinger, drake and 2 thorax in row (not all at once but everytime 2on1 and so on) without any rest period for my tank) because i could: 1) Soak up alot damage while nosing my opponent to run my modules 2) jam atleast 1 enemy almost permanently while tanking the other one till he's dead 3) Drones deal awsome damage and are quite easy to manage if you go up close and personal
But the Deimos.. the Deimos.. it's a victim. It runs out of cap. It can't tank long enough to deliver the needed damage. It still moves like a fat bird and it's pretty slow compared to the other hacs. yeah exactly what a hac needs. The only use for a Deimos (that i see) is DirectDamage in gangs... fitting 1 inertia stab and a nano + mwd + damage mods and ions/neutrons.
Oh and it's nice for npcing Serpentis/gurista belt rats ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
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![slothe slothe](https://images.evetech.net/characters/146104495/portrait?size=64)
slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.23 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 23/11/2006 06:01:28
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia It's becoming clear that the diemost has a core of pilots who will not be happy until it can fit a rank of t2 neutrons and a full tank with mwd.
this statement is extremely ignorant and innacurate.
deimos pilots are asking for enough grid to fit- 1. mwd + neutrons + no tank + med nos 2. mwd + ions + medium tank + med nos 3. mwd + electrons + heavy tank + med nos
deimos HAS to have mwd (to get in range + it gets mwd bonus)
atm it cannot fit any of the above. its pg sucks monkey balls.
the above suggestions do not make it overpowered as its weakness is it is still capacitor reliant which makes it extremely vulnerable and means you still should fly in gangs.
can you show me just one post where deimos pilots ask for mwd neutron tank setup.
thought not now please refrain from posting until your posts are accurate thanks.
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![Meeko Gloom Meeko Gloom](https://images.evetech.net/characters/616408486/portrait?size=64)
Meeko Gloom
Gallente Republic
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Posted - 2006.11.23 06:12:00 -
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Tell me something new --------------------------
Guns dont Kill People Drones Do |
![Lilani Kuzma Lilani Kuzma](https://images.evetech.net/characters/405992129/portrait?size=64)
Lilani Kuzma
Gallente Brass Monkeys Society The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar For soloing the Kali ishtar is still better... fitting it with 1600mm and small repper + explo/eanm/dc or dual small repper/1600mm/explo/eanm, paired with a explo resist rig + drone dmg or ECM power rig.
I've been able to kill absolution, sac, harbinger, drake and 2 thorax in row (not all at once but everytime 2on1 and so on) without any rest period for my tank) because i could: 1) Soak up alot damage while nosing my opponent to run my modules 2) jam atleast 1 enemy almost permanently while tanking the other one till he's dead 3) Drones deal awsome damage and are quite easy to manage if you go up close and personal
But the Deimos.. the Deimos.. it's a victim. It runs out of cap. It can't tank long enough to deliver the needed damage. It still moves like a fat bird and it's pretty slow compared to the other hacs. yeah exactly what a hac needs. The only use for a Deimos (that i see) is DirectDamage in gangs... fitting 1 inertia stab and a nano + mwd + damage mods and ions/neutrons.
Oh and it's nice for npcing Serpentis/gurista belt rats ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
yep i manage to have 10 k armor on the test servar on the ishtar!! soo ishtar is the revelation of galente :DD making provision`s of em
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![PCX339 PCX339](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930174983/portrait?size=64)
PCX339
Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: PCX339 on 23/11/2006 22:51:16
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma well it`s prety late sory for the misspeling. i kept quiet untill neaw cose i still had 5 to sell :/ Sold my last one in jita today... and people where making fun of me.. when sayng it will suck 10 time`s more in KALI.... old new. new news... there where a lot of pilot`s sayng WHY does it sucks... well it sucks... cose u can`t do anything with it.... Ishtar here i come.... cheerz... who wwant`s to talk about my gramar and stuff like that instead of looking at the big picture welll keep it up i don`t realy care...! FRENDly warning to everyone!! cheerz :)
Watch out, the Ishtar's drone bonus is still bugged so it gets only 5% per level. Between the Ishtar bug and the deimos getting slapped around by Kali the gallente don't really have an unbroken HAC at the moment.
And yes, I know that both HACs can be useful.
Go recon - WCS in Kali makes Arazu/Lachesis much cooler.
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![Ithildin Ithildin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/623592560/portrait?size=64)
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 22:51:00 -
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Anyone mentioned that it's still a clumsy overweight cow? - EVE is sick. |
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