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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 00:23:00 -
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The Rage Torpedo base damage has been reduced to 540, cap recharge rate penalty reduced to 5%, flight time decreased to 10 seconds and explosion cloud reduced to 600.
So, I think that makes 'em useful. I mean, if you're prepared to get a painter on your opponent of course.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.25 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Goca
Originally by: Risien Drogonne Sounds like the dilemma between fitting blasters and rails to me. Welcome to the rest of the game. Jav torps aren't your one-stop-shop for weapons anymore.
get a clue... seriously, you can tell that the people with rug burned knees have never flown a Raven much less used jav's before..
so kindly gfy..
Actually I'd say the opposite. People who used jav torps know how overpowered they were. I've used them extensively.
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LukeDS
Caldari Cskillzone
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Posted - 2006.11.25 02:56:00 -
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It's not just the jav torps tho. Can anyone think of a use for the anti-ship torps unless you are attacking a small POS?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: LukeDS It's not just the jav torps tho. Can anyone think of a use for the anti-ship torps unless you are attacking a small POS?
If you had a painter Bellicose supporting you?
Tux found a use for the Bellicose! W00t!
See, when tux closes a door, he opens a window -----------------------------------------------
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:21:00 -
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I think that the problem here is that there is almost NO reason to ever use tech II torps, they are a waste of data space. Rage torps purpose should be close range bombardment of instalations and capital ships. Unfortunately you can't use them to do this anymore. TBH, they need there old sig radious back to 1000m, not 600m. they should not be usable against battleships escept in very unusual circustances. they need there there old damge back to 675, instead of 540. They also need there increased by 1.5x, and there speed reduced by 10%.
High damage torps should not be able to be used against battleships, period. so why make them do a lot more damage against battleships, ( not there intended target) and do less damage against capital ships and POS's? That is what does not make sense.
Jav's were horribly broken. They needed to be fixed, as in, reduce there damge by a lot, you want cruise missle range and explosion radious with a tech II torp? you need to be doing tech I cruise damage.
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Tricit
Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tricit on 25/11/2006 03:54:33 I can't even use these weapons, but I see the delimma.
It seems to be, 1750 PG on a Raven seemed okay, statistically speaking, because you could use Javeline Torpedoes. Other than that, it's a pretty useless fitting. You would get effectively more damage to the enemy by lasting longer under a Cruise Launcher fitting.
Now, with these changes, I don't think they should switch PG, that would make Cruise Launchers underpowered.
However, they should lower Siege Launcher. I would set Siege Tech I at 1150 and Tech II at 1225 to mimic the turret weapons short/long range settings.
This would set Siege Launchers at a much more varsital set up than Cruise Launchers. However, at the same time, while keeping the current penalties Tech II torpedoes have, they would add the capacitor penalty that Cruise Launchers have.
This would probably level the field. Your thoughts?
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LukeDS
Caldari Cskillzone
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:32:00 -
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It's not the launchers that are the problem, it's the torps themselfs. Although the small pg would allow for a better tank + more BCUs.
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gu o
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:49:00 -
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Holy crap! the T2 torps have been nerfed! this is lame, really tux how dare you almost shake the nerf stick at caldari. I meen cmon my alt who flys a raven with T2 torps still does retarded damage at 150km. well hmmm. Thank you tux it was a bit dumb to spam torps from 200km and be hittin gharder than all the other snipers in game. I have my bud with his vaga sit at the gate then i uncloak and pound from 200km. It was deserving of a nerf there is no sesnce that i can spam from that range and well...any range for such good damage. It was plain unfair to uses turrets at the time...Im glad to se you have the ability to pounce on a raven a bit...
CONGRATS TUXS
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 17:24:00 -
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It's not that your Vagabond friend might go and grill a whole cow, then come back to warp out before the Torps impact!?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: LukeDS It's not just the jav torps tho. Can anyone think of a use for the anti-ship torps unless you are attacking a small POS?
Check the patchnotes. The anti-ship torps just got better. To the point where vs. a BS you can do more damage with just a painter or two.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/11/2006 19:15:56 Rages didn't really get better. They got slightly more useful against battleships at close range when using non-TP-bonus painting. They got wtfnerfed against cap ships and bonus-painted battleships. They are still useless against anything smaller than battleships. They now have a maxrange of roughly 20 km. And their DPS is pitiful compared to other BS-sized closerange weaps. And if you fly fast, they won't do jack to you either. Not to mention that they travel slower than a frigate on MWD.
Sorry, but Torp users get totally and thoroughly pwned by the combination of T2 missile nerfs and missile rig function in Kali. There is NO silver lining. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/11/2006 19:15:56 Rages didn't really get better. They got slightly more useful against battleships at close range when using non-TP-bonus painting. They got wtfnerfed against cap ships and bonus-painted battleships. They are still useless against anything smaller than battleships. They now have a maxrange of roughly 20 km. And their DPS is pitiful compared to other BS-sized closerange weaps. And if you fly fast, they won't do jack to you either. Not to mention that they travel slower than a frigate on MWD.
Sorry, but Torp users get totally and thoroughly pwned by the combination of T2 missile nerfs and missile rig function in Kali. There is NO silver lining.
Before: You have to get a ship to 700 sig to do the _same_ damage at T1 torps. Now: I can fit painters to a raven and paint a BS up to 600 to get the what, 20% more damage that a rage does.
AND: T1 torps JUST DO MORE DAMAGE that _any_ cruise, T1, T2 or banana flavour.
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LukeDS
Caldari Cskillzone
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Posted - 2006.11.26 00:09:00 -
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The rage torps are not meant to be good vs bs, they were put in the game to be good vs POS and Capships.
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.26 00:20:00 -
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I can honestly report that my torp raven is still working as intended ans still doing as much damage as it used to with T1 torps. Someone tell me why i would want a torp that would go 250km if someone can just warp out? I treat my torp raven like it was meant to be used, a short to med range ship. Want range? Theres these funny shaped launchers calldcruise launchers that launch these really long range missiles. Same thing as railguns and blasters. ----
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.26 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Sorry, but Torp users get totally and thoroughly pwned by the combination of T2 missile nerfs and missile rig function in Kali. There is NO silver lining.
This is only true if you consider the raven as the only torp ship in the game.
Which it isn't.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: LukeDS The rage torps are not meant to be good vs bs, they were put in the game to be good vs POS and Capships.
And now rage torps also drastically nerfed. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Gindar
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gindar on 26/11/2006 14:23:20 sung to the tune of "Dani California" by Red Hot Chili Peppers
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Emma Green
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:44:00 -
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is raven still effective in lvl4s with t1 torps?
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