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Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:30:58 -
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In low sec, it used to be that everyone would fly cheap, throw-away T1 ships, so if they got blapped, it won't hurt the wallet. Nowadays I seem to run into faction and T2 ships all the time. Is there an actual pattern here? Is there an arms race in low sec?
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
Drama Sutra
21
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:32:53 -
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T2/faction ships are just better, it's normal.
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Mr Duffo
Operation Meatshield
115
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:44:45 -
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In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living
#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers
Long live Caldari |
Arla Sarain
498
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:42:25 -
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Mr Duffo wrote:In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living
#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers
Long live Caldari
Wouldn't say that's entirely correct.
LP value has dropped significantly in this time. I still remember handing in 200k LP for a billion ISK (admittedly with some market awareness). But still, making isk in FW isn't that great. It's great when nobody (or few other people) does it, which is pretty much like everything else in the game, except maybe missions and DED plexs. |
Ovv Topik
Hoplite Brigade
726
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:26:52 -
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Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:00:56 -
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I can say from personal experience not *everybody* in FW is flying T2/Pirate... |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
50
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:27:24 -
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In the frigate class, I prefer to fly T2 or faction/pirate frigates because they're more capable, I have more fun flying them, and I have the ISK to afford them.
That said, the derp meta is certainly not dead. Plenty of groups and pilots still actively pilot them regularly. And they're incredibly ISK efficient. Nothing sucks more than losing well fit ships to a blob of derp.
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Mr Duffo
Operation Meatshield
117
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:34:51 -
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Derp doctrine was the worst thing ever happened in fw. I curse the day perunga brought those atrons |
Portmanteau
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
51
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:06:52 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.
This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
467
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:34:19 -
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derptrons still boss. Find the most expensive faction frig/etc in enemy gang. take 3 derptrons and kill it.
Bye bye worm.
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Syrilian
Ascending Angels
Two Drink Minimum
106
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:12:52 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little.
This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
468
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:23:20 -
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Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little. This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?
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Mr Spaxi
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
44
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:39:49 -
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Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little. This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
258
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Posted - 2015.06.17 09:00:18 -
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Mr Duffo wrote:Derp doctrine was the worst thing ever happened in fw. I curse the day perunga brought those atrons
You can thank JUSTK for those and the swarm that was Evoke way back when.....and then nulli, and test, and freddit, and pasta, and pretty much every other failed nullsec alliance that thinks they'll stomp poor, FW scrubs into the ground. But hey, we never lost Eha or Vlill or Nenna for that matter 
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Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
614
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:42:49 -
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Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this. |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
77
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:44:06 -
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Mr Duffo wrote:In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living
#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers
Long live Caldari
I'm not sure it's about isk. One driver for this development is that CalMil organisations have matured and developed a lot over the last 18 months, have better experience, higher sp, and better FCs plus more competent solo pilots than they did and are, consequently flying somewhat higher end gear more routinely. Not quite an arms race but more catching up a little with the opposition. And since, I'm assuming, the Cal and Gal FW pilots were the most frequent users of the lower end stuff that removes a good chunk of it. Outside system sieges, where T1 still predominates, this means that there are now very few major organisations in lowsec who look to T1 as their primary option which means anyone looking to win a fight will probably want to roll heavier than a year ago. Call it a virtuous spiral or a vicious circle as you like.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
468
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:48:50 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.
Most of the gate camps exist on the high-sec entry systems, you'll also find them from time to time in other places, but that is much rarer. It can be worth checking the kill boards for the pipe you are coming in on as well as dot lan stats for kills if you have to come in from high-sec. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
681
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:17:02 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.
This happens everyday in calmil militia chat
Noob: Is Tama Camped?
Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there
Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship)
Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule)
Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve
It's getting old man.
Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
77
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:30:36 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.
You need multiple copies of each ship. If you spend an hour crafting a fit you probably want at least half a dozen of them on hand if you want to be sure you have enough to spend the evening with it (assuming frig/dessie). |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
468
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:54:07 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this. This happens everyday in calmil militia chat Noob: Is Tama Camped? Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship) Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule) Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve It's getting old man. Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.
Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama. |
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
150
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Posted - 2015.06.19 06:43:49 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:In low sec, it used to be that everyone would fly cheap, throw-away T1 ships, so if they got blapped, it won't hurt the wallet. Nowadays I seem to run into faction and T2 ships all the time. Is there an actual pattern here? Is there an arms race in low sec?
2011 was long time ago, broseph.
For the most part, faction/T2 boats are just more effective. If you can afford it - which pretty much anyone can - why would you not fly one? |
Lane Wyeth-XXVI
Aurora Security
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 07:54:06 -
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Hell im fairly new to eve and rarily use anything but a t2 (although i cant fly much more than frigs because core>ships) theyre just more specialized for the task that you use their t1 counterpart for that it makes more sense to use them
stealth bombers being an exception as they arent an upgrade from a t1 but a class all their own |
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
100
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:14:10 -
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I fly a lot of t1.
So do a lot of dudes that I fly with.
T2 and faction is great, when used by people who know what they're doing. Using t1 gear is smart if you are still learning because it drastically increases the number of times you can die before it starts to hurt the wallet. It also helps you understand the limitations of your fit to see where better gear, skills or drugs can be of use.
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Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
615
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:35:15 -
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Took a few days to cool off from my tilt. Back in the fight.  |
Ovv Topik
Hoplite Brigade
729
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:37:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Took a few days to cool off from my tilt. Back in the fight.
Good for you.
The more Faction/Pirate bling you fly, the more likely you are to rage quit when it goes pop.
Seriously, do not underestimate the T1 lineup. The secret really is learning what beats what and what you cant kill.
And what do you get out of killing a Tris in a linked Worm anyway?
Kill the Worm in the Tris however, and I defy you not to grin like a fool as you go over the KM.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Triumvirate.
837
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:52:56 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.
this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans
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Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
619
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:58:21 -
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Well I just downed a Garmur and a Cynabal with my T1 destroyers. About 350m isk damage while risking 10m. I'm actually very happy with the abundance of high-value targets in low sec. It fleshes out the concept of asymmetric warfare. :D |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
644
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:48:11 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans
They are. The DDAs are being nerfed. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Triumvirate.
837
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:50:03 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans They are. The DDAs are being nerfed.
dont they carry like 9 drones?
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sytaqe violacea
Circus of midnight
32
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Posted - 2015.08.04 07:30:26 -
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I feel the ageing of low-sec population. The newbie shortage is a source of T2/T3 proliferation.
Nowadays T1 vs T1 PvP are much less than when I settled into Rakapas two years ago. |
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Arla Sarain
576
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Posted - 2015.08.04 08:58:50 -
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Could be that Fozzie was right - NS is bringing so much ISK into the economy which get distributed between our populace and we're all capable of affording T2 ships...
Except me. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
471
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Posted - 2015.08.04 17:04:39 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this. This happens everyday in calmil militia chat Noob: Is Tama Camped? Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship) Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule) Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve It's getting old man. Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know. Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama.
It's easier just to make an ignorant shiptost without checking! |
Chiang LapShek
Perkone
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:12:08 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this. This happens everyday in calmil militia chat Noob: Is Tama Camped? Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship) Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule) Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve It's getting old man. Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know. Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama. It's easier just to make an ignorant shiptost without checking!
Odds are 90% go through nourv anyways |
Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:54:18 -
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6 of the top 10 used ships in combat kills from Caldari Militia are T1.
FYI....
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Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
2421
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:36:40 -
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Not everyone. A lot of people are flying T3s.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:57:20 -
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Zappity wrote:Not everyone. A lot of people are flying T3s.
Coming soon: t4s |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1292
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:36:29 -
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Moon goo is a business buddy fountain of free isk. DED sites have gone from a few static sites to hundreds scannable DED sites.
With these two changes it's only logical to fly T2/faction. This stuff is too cheap not to fly it.
Moon goo needs to go dynamic (and not locatable via data dumps) and the number of DED sites needs to go down. The prices will go back up to something that can be called valuable.
Don't get me wrong - 20 mil for a T2 web was pretty crazy back in the bpo lottery days, but when your gang loots a pvp wreck and the comment is "it's all T2 garbage" - I think it's time to make some changes. |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
238
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:42:43 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.
And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.
You went wrong by fitting only one ship for the evening...
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
463
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:54:08 -
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I fly T1 BC's, does that count? T2 AF frigs are cheap (to me anyway) and still perform decently, assuming you stay away from T3D (depending on your fit). T2 cruisers are semi-rare in minny FW anyway.
I stopped flying cheap t1 stuff because it got very boring flying frigs and dessies all day. T1 minmatar cruisers aren't worth writing home about. Besides, with insurance on BC's I can fly a fully fit cane for about the same price as a cruiser.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Louis Catcher
Haywire.
Haywire Collective
13
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Posted - 2015.08.18 00:00:41 -
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Reason is simple... High sec incursion. Risk free 150mill/toon.
Buy 10 plex with real cash, buy incursion toon. Do incursion. Never buy plex again.
Isk is easier to acquire as more risk free and easy to do content is added in.
Ccp dont realize that oeople with low sp shouldnt be able to make billions. |
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
967
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Posted - 2015.08.18 11:42:44 -
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Louis Catcher wrote:Ccp dont realize that oeople with low sp shouldnt be able to make billions.
Yeah... I'm glad they don't.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
175
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Posted - 2015.08.18 12:25:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day. this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans
What AF fit are you running that can lose to a Tristan? Stalemate I can understand since an afterburner AF cant catch a nano Tristan but you can just kill all his drones. Unless your talking of a neut Tristan beating an AF with cap reliant guns which is understandably a thing. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2015.08.19 03:19:32 -
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Louis Catcher wrote:Ccp dont realize that oeople with low sp shouldnt be able to make billions.
I made my first billion ISK long before I hit ~3m SP.
Granted, I made that by writing up some of my newbie experiences for TheMittani.com.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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